HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat09:04:21 From Chambers to Kate Dean, Jefferson County Commissioner(Direct Message) : No sound on AV. I'm recording on Zoom so alls good
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09:14:01 From Shellie Yarnell to Hosts and panelists : Iâm going to reboot and try again
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09:00:12 Everyone ready!
09:00:16 Okay.
09:00:18 There's about.
09:00:19 Good morning, everyone. I'll call this meeting with the Jackson County Board of County Commissioners.
09:00:24 The order. We'll announce now, before I forget, that next week is a fixed Monday of the month, and we do not have.
09:00:31 A Commissioner meeting on 5th Monday. So.
09:00:33 We will not be here.
09:00:37 Any other announcements before we get started?
09:00:40 Nope.
09:00:42 Put everybody.
09:00:44 Enjoy the wild ride of the weekend politically.
09:00:47 Gonna be a wild ride for till November, I guess.
09:00:51 Remember local governments where it's at.
09:00:55 Okay, let's set up public comments.
09:00:58 We welcome comments from the public on any topic both here in the room and via Zoom. Yes, you keep your comments to 3Â min is helpful if you say your name and your place of
residence, and after the end of all, public will respond. So since we're it's nice to have a number of people in the room with us here today. We'll start with some folks in the room,
and then we'll go to the zoom room. So.
09:01:24 Whoever would like to provide public comments.
09:01:26 And we'll start with Maggie.
09:01:29 Good morning, Maggie.
09:01:31 Hi, how are you this morning? Okay. So RCW. Co.
09:01:37 36 dot 0, a dot 0 3 0.
09:01:43 Section 14, section 15.
09:01:47 Shelter, housing.
09:01:49 Can compel an occupant.
09:01:52 To sign a condition of occupation.
09:01:57 A knife by knife shelter, which bass.
09:02:01 Plan, section 15.
09:02:04 It is based on claims to a 9, a shelter.
09:02:09 9 by 9.
09:02:10 Cannot.
09:02:11 Compell.
09:02:13 A any any occupant.
09:02:18 Any paper that's considered a condition of occupation.
09:02:22 When.
09:02:23 Both Elizabeth and Florence.
09:02:27 We're told.
09:02:29 By Gary and Heather.
09:02:30 That.
09:02:32 The American Legion. Roi was mandatory, or they would have to leave.
09:02:39 That was illegal.
09:02:42 And.
09:02:43 Threatening them under duress and coercion.
09:02:47 Think they'd be kicked out when they are disabled.
09:02:50 An elderly.
09:02:53 Is is. It's a threat. It's threatening.
09:02:57 It's threatening them.
09:02:58 You will sign this, or else.
09:03:02 And as a result, that is a classy felony.
09:03:08 It is punishable by 5 years in prison.
09:03:10 And a $10,000 fine.
09:03:13 Now.
09:03:15 Gary should know this, because.
09:03:18 A while back he was convicted of bank fraud.
09:03:22 And he appealed up to the 9th circuit.
09:03:26 And the conviction was upheld.
09:03:28 And it was quite a mess.
09:03:31 Quite.
09:03:33 Much more complicated than I'm saying now.
09:03:37 You know, for us consumers.
09:03:42 When the various agencies, like the Department of Commerce or housing.
09:03:47 Or or the governor's.
09:03:50 Homeless Committee.
09:03:52 Or the housing authority. When they sign these contracts.
09:03:56 If the contractors are.
09:03:59 Breaking their contracts.
09:04:01 They don't want to take this contractor to court.
09:04:06 And and be because of the contract. And so the consumer who is harmed.
09:04:13 Has no representation, because they don't have any money.
09:04:16 So it's miraculous if things ever change.
09:04:20 And.
09:04:22 The agencies.
09:04:23 Basically you guys say.
09:04:25 Well take us to court.
09:04:27 You know, and and you know who's and it's miraculous if it ever gets there. But sometimes it does, and it takes going to court to make both sides to do the right thing, which
they should have done. All we want.
09:04:43 Okay.
09:04:44 Thank you.
09:04:47 Who else in the room letting public comment.
09:04:52 Brian asked the local president.
09:04:54 I watch things take place.
09:04:57 Over the years, and it's the city Council and the.
09:05:02 Culture with the governing body. There.
09:05:06 4,000. That's.
09:05:08 That kind of deserves this hypothetical question.
09:05:12 Could it be removed in its entirety?
09:05:16 As an entire body of cultural.
09:05:19 Oh, no! We're.
09:05:21 Seeing so much the time.
09:05:24 The past.
09:05:25 And have another body.
09:05:27 And it's a question. It's.
09:05:29 Maybe inappropriate for you people here. It's a legal matter.
09:05:34 Well without going to a referendum process. Could the whole governing body.
09:05:41 Of our towns.
09:05:44 Be removed.
09:05:46 And and the reason why the whole body is because no individual will then be pinported.
09:05:51 Due to lawsuits, quite possibly. And then.
09:05:55 Go to a period where we acquired.
09:05:58 Competence.
09:06:00 And.
09:06:01 Integrity.
09:06:03 Getting candidates, and I think we could be very attractive.
09:06:06 If we could promise that as a whole, new.
09:06:10 Regime, to govern.
09:06:12 The city of port houses.
09:06:14 Now it seems very.
09:06:17 Upsetting.
09:06:18 I have to say this, and.
09:06:19 And I'm trying to keep away from.
09:06:23 Stage pride, here.
09:06:25 Monster, but.
09:06:26 But I think we've arrived at this point.
09:06:29 That due to the record.
09:06:31 And to speak, and.
09:06:33 Mentality are the part of.
09:06:35 Once involved.
09:06:36 That we.
09:06:38 Now just have to.
09:06:40 Dissolve a whole.
09:06:42 The whole body, and whether it takes the State to come in and direct it.
09:06:46 And whether you can actually.
09:06:50 Perform an oversight group.
09:06:52 Temporary period of time.
09:06:55 Maybe that could be possible.
09:06:57 But we the whole. The whole thing has the whole shebang, has to go and thank you very much.
09:07:03 Yeah, Diane.
09:07:06 Everyone else in the room like provide public comment.
09:07:11 Please.
09:07:11 Someone else.
09:07:15 You know.
09:07:22 Morning.
09:07:23 Morning.
09:07:25 Groups.
09:07:27 Welcome, yep.
09:07:28 Don't need to be nervous. We're we're an easy crowd.
09:07:49 They? But they're not working.
09:07:51 Microphones aren't working on AV capture, either. So just let you know if you could project your voice a little.
09:07:56 The owl is our camera? Is our microphone in the middle room.
09:08:00 Go ahead. This, this is the microphone. Just try to project as much as you can, but it's fun.
09:08:06 Take your time.
09:08:10 So.
09:08:12 Early part of June.
09:08:14 We'll.
09:08:15 Hard bus. My car went down.
09:08:22 I reached out.
09:08:24 To Bayside.
09:08:26 On the 4th side.
09:08:28 So I talked about the financial stability programs.
09:08:32 Outland in the packet. I reached out, as I said, to do. It says in the packet that.
09:08:37 Ease.
09:08:39 You. You have to pay program fees.
09:08:43 Talk to case management and do the stability program.
09:08:47 What makes that arrangements? By the 5.th
09:08:49 I reached out and forth.
09:08:53 And then.
09:08:56 On the 7.th
09:08:58 I received the 14 day.
09:09:02 Paying quick notice.
09:09:04 Just like. 3 days later I called my case manager what? What was going on.
09:09:12 And she said that.
09:09:14 Build.
09:09:16 At the Times. I didn't know it was Bill. She said that it was property management, and that they didn't know that.
09:09:22 She and I had talked.
09:09:25 That she was.
09:09:26 Would pass that, pass it all to them.
09:09:29 That was a mistake that I had gotten.
09:09:32 14.th
09:09:34 And I believe Jared.
09:09:36 Didn't do anything you're supposed to be on Thursday, but.
09:09:42 Come to find out.
09:09:43 She got fired.
09:09:46 And.
09:09:47 Bye.
09:09:49 Didn't get a new case. Manager.
09:09:52 Until the 25.th
09:09:54 And.
09:09:57 It was, James acknowledged that they were behind.
09:10:00 How many people were.
09:10:03 And.
09:10:05 Knows I totally got the kind of stability we should be.
09:10:08 Do that meeting.
09:10:10 And then.
09:10:15 I thought that they were. They were gonna tell the sheriff.
09:10:18 About? What.
09:10:20 Being under case management.
09:10:22 But.
09:10:24 It did in.
09:10:25 And so.
09:10:26 I got the notice I got another sheriff's notice.
09:10:31 Column, 15.th
09:10:33 And I went to the meeting.
09:10:36 On the 10.th
09:10:38 Which I recorded those I recorded and asked during the recording. This I said yes, and.
09:10:44 And and he's he acknowledged and admitted that they.
09:10:49 That it was a mistake, and they shouldn't.
09:10:51 Have lived in.
09:10:52 And then I assign the
09:10:57 I signed the paperwork that literally says on it.
09:11:01 Prevention, homelessness on it, and gave them the money.
09:11:06 Got a receipt.
09:11:07 And shake his hand and thanked him. And I'm still evicted like 2 days.
09:11:12 3 days later. I didn't know it was supposed to go on the 12.th They didn't tell me.
09:11:17 And they told me everything.
09:11:20 And now I'm just gonna be disadvicted. 10 A. M.
09:11:26 And they they won't. They took my money, and I signed everything up, and they just let the eviction go through.
09:11:32 And that's.
09:11:34 Michael, which which facility are you based out? Which at which one at the at Pat's place? Thank you.
09:11:41 I'm sorry.
09:11:44 Thank you, and we will respond to all public comments when we're finished.
09:11:48 Thanks. Michael.
09:11:53 Nice anyone else in the room like to provide public.
09:11:58 Okay, let's go to the zoom room.
09:12:00 You are on zoom, please hit, raise hand and.
09:12:04 We will bring you over. There's a need to be prompted to accept promotion to panelists, so please hit that, and then you can unmute, and you'll have up to 3Â min.
09:12:15 Good morning. Shelley.
09:12:19 Good morning! Good morning!
09:12:25 Hey, Shelley, I think you have AV capture going. I think.
09:12:28 Can you shut that down and we can restart the clock.
09:12:33 Yeah, if you have a in your.
09:12:22 Several weeks ago, in one of these Monday meetings.
09:12:35 Browser you might have AV capture. And there's a video on there if you hit. Pause on that.
09:12:41 Will prevent. The.
09:12:43 Echo. I muted her so she'll have to unmute, and you'll have to unmute yourself. Sorry we muted you because it was.
09:12:50 Loud. I'll just.
09:12:51 Usually, if you, there's more of that delay, can it? Also.
09:12:55 Usually doesn't, and then it usually doesn't for her either. So.
09:12:59 I've asked her to unmute, so I need to do that.
09:13:02 Ken.
09:13:06 Must have 2 2 devices open or something.
09:13:09 Okay, so try again.
09:13:11 It's this, better.
09:13:14 Fill an echo.
09:13:17 Do you have 2 devices going with zoom or AV capture anything.
09:13:21 Nope, just my phone, just like I.
09:13:31 Again.
09:13:32 It's it's psychedelic.
09:13:39 She can drop a chat in the box because she's yeah. You could. You could put a chat in or maybe calling in. Yeah. And then we could read it into the record, or you could call
in on the agenda. It does have the
09:13:52 Phone and number listed. I'll keep an eye out for you.
09:13:56 Unless you can figure out.
09:13:59 There's got couple of things open.
09:14:03 Alright. Anyone else on zoom like to provide public comment. Please hit raise hand.
09:14:12 She's going to reboot and try again, so I'll keep an eye out for you, Shelley, if you disappear and come back in.
09:14:18 Anyone else.
09:14:21 Yeah, I'm gonna leave public comment open. So we know Shelley's gonna come back and
09:14:26 Another opportunity.
09:14:27 Anyone else wishes to provide. So the responses.
09:14:33 Sure I I can kick it off
09:14:38 Let's see to Maggie first, st as always, appreciate everyone's comment, and.
09:14:44 We are definitely responsible for.
09:14:48 The way that Bayside manages the the shelter, and I'm you know you brought the Roi to us last week, and I've been.
09:14:56 Talking to Bayside haven't gotten a huge amount of information. I know that at the Shelter Coalition we're planning to.
09:15:01 This will be the major topic.
09:15:04 My understanding is the release of information is much like the one that only Cap used to have. I don't. I don't. I think they don't.
09:15:11 Perceive it as a condition of. I guess I don't really know the Rcw. Yet. I haven't done that analysis to be able to.
09:15:17 Give you more of my thoughts. But the only difference I've been told between the previous one is that.
09:15:24 The American Legion was added as as someone that they could tell in case someone needs to get exited. One of the things the American Legion wanted was.
09:15:32 Notification if someone is exited for disruptive behavior. So they were aware as well. So that is a change that I'm aware of. And I, you know I haven't done a line by line comparison
myself.
09:15:44 And you certainly should be able to.
09:15:46 Copy of anything you signed, or the original out and and look at. So I know that Bayside is looking into that. I don't know. That does not seem right, and we're looking into
that for sure. So you know, I'm sorry at the pace of government. But I think Heather's vacation, too, has made it more challenging to get all this really squared away. But still.
09:16:08 Working to that and appreciate you, notifying us of the issue. I mean, we are. We are partners in this and wanna be good partners, you know, to all of the stakeholders include
the residents, the American Legion Bay side, and and the community at large.
09:16:20 So please come to the Shelter coalition. I know. Julia set it up for a hybrid option of the Dove House Tuesday at 11 Am.
09:16:28 Hello! Welcome.
09:16:30 Not here. It's a dove house and online. I'll be hosting it online, and then Dovehouse is making facilitating a room for Julia to have in person on the creating a hybrid option.
Is that the Recovery Cafe? Oh, I'm sorry Cafe. That's what I mean. I'm I'm conflating. Yeah. Dove house operated. Recovery cafe. Excuse me. Tuesday, and to Brian I'm I'm really sorry.
09:16:55 About your your struggles and.
09:17:00 No, I'm talking to Brian right now. Who's gone? I I wish he'd stayed
09:17:07 I'm not really sure the root of his discontent. But
09:17:10 You know, we're we're more like siblings with the city Council than you know any controlling entity. So I'm not sure what we can do. Or, yeah, I work with the city a lot, and
I I find them to be.
09:17:24 Working as we are to to create a good social fabric for our residents.
09:17:30 And to Michael I'm
09:17:33 I'm sorry for your travails. Pat's place.
09:17:35 I I don't. I don't know the situation. I will engage it in my in my.
09:17:40 Continuing communication with with Bayside. But it isn't.
09:17:44 Yeah, independent transitional housing. Maybe it's not a transitional housing. I guess it's considered classified an emergency shelter as well. But I don't really know about
their terms. Since that one's operated inside the city. I wasn't really privy to any of the conversation, but I will.
09:17:58 Inquiries to your case. I hope that you can find.
09:18:03 I guess relief in that. You're allowed to say I don't. I just don't know any of the details, but I'm I can see.
09:18:09 How impactful it is. And I'm sorry that you're going through this.
09:18:15 Yeah, cool comfort. We'll give Shellie, of course.
09:18:18 Another chance it looks like, by all of Cap.
09:18:22 We had some ideas and passed a note to Michael. He's in my card and my cell phone number so that we can navigate some of this. Yeah, that's great. And there, there are a lot
of resources out there to help. And I encourage. You know.
09:18:37 The the American legions always open as well. So yeah, there is a place I know. It's not quite the same amount of privacy.
09:18:43 But
09:18:44 I guess that's that's those are my comments. So far.
09:18:47 Like to say. I think the point is, these resources should have been working for him.
09:18:52 And and they fail.
09:18:53 I? Yeah, no. And that that sometimes happens. You know we we were. We are marshalling all the resources we can to help the the most marginalized in our population, and sometimes
the bureaucracy gets in the way. And it it sounds like this is one of those cases so.
09:19:08 We just try to keep.
09:19:09 Fixing the system. You know. We're.
09:19:12 Equity minded systems, thinkers. And we want to make the systems work. But we are often.
09:19:18 Not the mechanics of the system, you know, day to day. So it takes a little bit of time for us to understand the issues.
09:19:25 That's great. Yep.
09:19:26 I would just say that
09:19:28 I appreciate Greg being our lead Commissioner on these issues, and.
09:19:33 I'm always willing to help if there's a task that you need help with. But I I hear the frustration.
09:19:39 From Michael and Maggie.
09:19:42 And I hope that what sound like administrative issues can get worked out.
09:19:47 Kind of.
09:19:48 While these concerns. But you know.
09:19:51 I understand the concerns, and it sounds like there were a couple of.
09:19:55 Missteps by bayside on Michael's front.
09:19:56 With.
09:19:58 Dates and times, and that could be incredibly frustrated. And I appreciate your clear documentation.
09:20:05 Of the Order of.
09:20:08 Events cause that helps.
09:20:10 Helps. Everyone yep.
09:20:13 And.
09:20:13 I. I do like the metaphor of siblings with the city.
09:20:18 Siblings. I've never had siblings. I have chosen family and those.
09:20:24 City folks are. Some of my chosen family. Obviously.
09:20:27 As I stepped into this role, and we are working together.
09:20:33 And we don't always agree. I am curious what Brian's comment was. What if it's this whole.
09:20:40 You know.
09:20:41 Former former mayor issue, or I'm curious what it was.
09:20:45 What the basis didn't really get. The problem statement.
09:20:51 Yeah. I'm sorry that Brian left, because it is. It is interesting. You know, we have 3
09:20:56 Incumbents go unchallenged in the last election. Although interestingly, for candidates for the open city council. So you know this is
09:21:08 Democracy is only as good as we make it. So encourage folks to to.
09:21:13 Get involved. Even though, you know, have a good working relationship with the city. And we'd say this is true of the city, the county and our housing partners is we're all
operating within this very.
09:21:27 Bureaucratic environment.
09:21:29 Lots of requirements and lot of constraints.
09:21:33 Funding being among them, but availability of workforce.
09:21:36 Being able to get qualified workforce. It's it's.
09:21:41 Very challenging and frustrating to not be able to serve people as well as we.
09:21:48 Would all like to see.
09:21:49 People served, and as well as people deserve.
09:21:54 So stay tuned. You've got some good advocates here in the room, and Viola and Greg. So.
09:22:03 Folks can help.
09:22:05 You know. Try to get to the bottom of this.
09:22:07 That's the side.
09:22:10 Good people taking on a lot of hard work in a difficult environment, and.
09:22:14 Learning. We're all learning as we go. So.
09:22:17 Thanks for your persistence and efficacy.
09:22:21 On behalf of yourself and others, important.
09:22:26 I don't think I have any other responses. Let's go back to the zoom room.
09:22:31 And we have good. We have Shellie back. Let's try again. Shelley.
09:22:36 Good morning. Is this better?
09:22:40 Oh, still a terrible echo.
09:22:42 Okay, I'm gonna try it all in.
09:22:47 And possible of you all muted howl.
09:22:50 That's picking up it that way.
09:22:52 That's our speaker and our microphone. So we don't. We're not on audio on our zoom.
09:23:00 Although she's the only one.
09:23:02 Via zoom! Let's see maybe we can have someone else jump on
09:23:09 Like Josh, or.
09:23:14 There you are, Stacy, come on over. Yes, let's try it out and see how the audio is from other.
09:23:21 Colors.
09:23:25 Stacy, if you accept.
09:23:26 The motion of panelists.
09:23:30 Let's see if you have the echo.
09:23:36 I'll just keep talking.
09:23:37 Stop.
09:23:38 Yeah, she has the echo, too, wasn't you, Shelly? I could barely hear you, Andrew, at the echo.
09:23:44 Thanks for trying. Let's try, Julia, just for fun.
09:23:50 You might need to take a recess, and
09:23:53 Get this straight up.
09:23:55 Julia, see how you sound, are you psychedelic, too?
09:23:58 Only on your end. We do not hear echo from each other.
09:24:03 Okay, you know. Everybody. We're gonna take a recess.
09:31:37 Okay, great Michelle is still there in the zoom room by comment. Okay, thanks for your patience. Everyone.
09:31:45 Shelley. Good morning.
09:31:48 Oh, hang on!
09:31:51 We thought we had it.
09:31:53 Can you talk again, Kate? Real quick? Yes, so I.
09:31:57 Well, let's see.
09:31:58 I turn. I turned on baby capture. Okay, but and there's can you do something on your end? It seems to be like to. If you take an action. Carolyn.
09:32:09 Well, I turn on baby cats, and there's no reverb now.
09:32:12 Although there's never us.
09:32:14 Okay, let's try. Shelley.
09:32:17 Good morning! Again!
09:32:20 Is, that.
09:32:21 Okay.
09:32:22 Alright!
09:32:23 Several weeks ago, in one of these Monday meetings, I listened to the county's legal counsel. Say that if statesmen would sign the document provided with 55, new condition attached.
09:32:34 The pleasant harbor Master Plan resort would be able to start the most basic projects, such as earthmoving and protection before the fall rains return.
09:32:44 Commissioner Eisenhower even asked if counsel was sure that statesmen would do what was being asked of them.
09:32:49 To which Council replied that all enforcement options remained intact.
09:32:54 As I understand it, statesmen signed the agreement in good faith.
09:32:58 That once signed, they'd be able to move forward and finally take advantage of some of the good weather they need.
09:33:04 At our monthly resort. Meeting this past Thursday evening, we were informed that statesman was actually handed a building permit, and we're happy to. Finally, after so many
years and over 31 million dollars spent.
09:33:16 We're going to be able to get started.
09:33:18 Within an hour that permit was rescinded. As a quote.
09:33:22 Clerical error, unquote and as quick as that everything stopped and remain stopped. Today.
09:33:28 Are you aware that Jefferson broke a bus because of the potholes in the pleasant harbor bus? Stop, turnaround.
09:33:35 Jefferson transit has asked Statesman Group if they could grade the lot.
09:33:40 Statesmen offer to grade and fix the problem. The equipment and the manpower is there, and they're ready to help.
09:33:45 But the county has refused to allow it to happen, as that's ground disturbance, and requires a permit.
09:33:53 They're dangerous falling down buildings on the property from previous ground that they wish to demolish and dispose of.
09:34:00 Again. The county says, no.
09:34:02 I'm asking the 3 of you, as our decision makers to address these issues with council and the departments involved.
09:34:07 To resolve whatever issues exist, so that we can finally see some movement on this project already 20 years in the making. Brennan is counting on you to get this right.
09:34:19 Thank you.
09:34:22 Michelle, and thanks for your patience.
09:34:23 All right. Last call for public comment.
09:34:27 In the room or on zoom.
09:34:32 Alright! Anyone wish to respond to Shelley?
09:34:36 Yeah, I had a couple of conversations about the the bus stop issue as well, and the the grading that was asked for
09:34:44 You know.
09:34:46 It's.
09:34:48 We're we're really kind of dealing with hearsay here, right? It's not.
09:34:50 John or the Statesman's group that is making this request, and I've got no requests from John or the Statesman's group.
09:34:57 But I I will get an update from Dcds down District 3. I'd be curious about the the status of it is that you know. Wanna make sure that we're you know. I mean, usually.
09:35:07 When we come into like permit issues or something's going slow in one of the departments and environmental public health, or Dcd. Often.
09:35:15 I think we really try not to put our finger on the scale, but just to make sure that there's not something clogged that can get unplugged and make sure that you know we're moving
along the project. So I I can certainly commit to doing that and bring information back to you guys as well as as the public here by by next week, to say, you know.
09:35:31 What is the situation, and.
09:35:35 You know.
09:35:36 That's not 31 million dollars to the county, though plenty has gone to the county and doing the work, and you know the county, and their contractors are the ones that are really
developing this this agreement and partnership with States amendments. It's a big project, though. So.
09:35:50 I will. I'll get more information and bring it back.
09:35:52 That's great. That's what I was. Gonna say, Greg, can you get an update for us? So.
09:35:59 So we don't.
09:36:01 We try to respect each other's geographies. So if there's an issue in our districts, since there's new phases in the room.
09:36:09 Greg's, the District 3, Commissioner. So anything in his district we try because we can't do things as a 2 of us or 3 of us without being a forum.
09:36:17 So it it makes sense, though the one of us who lives in the geography that's represented by the issue.
09:36:24 Or does that issue? So.
09:36:27 Saying that out loud again.
09:36:30 Alright! Let's take a look at consent. Agenda.
09:36:40 Anyone have anything they wish to call out commissioners and item number 5.
09:36:45 And.
09:36:46 The agreement in error has.
09:36:50 90% of the funds going to the Historical Society that should be 100. And so I would ask that you approve that item subject to that correction. Yeah. And that's what it says
in the agenda request, too. Yeah.
09:37:02 For that.
09:37:04 Hmm.
09:37:05 Good stuff. Glad to have Kevin and Tara back in the lodging Tax Advisory Council.
09:37:12 And.
09:37:13 Brian Gordon and Jeff on Mrc. There were some jokes going around the last Marine Resources Committee meeting. Yeah, how long should we be here, and I'm like, you guys don't
go anywhere.
09:37:25 And great to see our epidemiologists, you know, giving access to assistance to other counties. Now, too, it's great to build up that.
09:37:33 That that core service.
09:37:37 Brad Banks has been on. Item 7 Brad Banks has been super helpful, and our.
09:37:42 Opioid funding planning. So that's Brad Gotcha. Okay.
09:37:47 Perfect.
09:37:49 I'm happy to make a motion that we approve.
09:37:52 The consent. Agenda for July 20, second, 2024, minus.
09:37:56 What were the corrections with the correction? To item 5 historical.
09:38:02 Documentation Contract with Jefferson.
09:38:06 Historical Society.
09:38:07 To a hundred percent of that amount.
09:38:09 Not the 90% that's erroneously in the contract.
09:38:13 I will second.
09:38:14 Okay, and each other. Session.
09:38:16 All those in favor say, Aye, aye.
09:38:20 Consent. Agenda is approved. Alright! Let's go to a quick discussion of the fire. Danger. Level on the
09:38:31 Agenda, which kind of is a lever. So we'll bring over Phil.
09:38:39 Pretty much.
09:38:40 Good morning, Phil. I'll just hand it right off to you. That's okay.
09:38:46 Berries.
09:38:46 Hello!
09:38:48 I'm good morning, Commissioners. How's everybody doing this morning?
09:38:50 Well, good. Thanks.
09:38:52 Excellent.
09:38:53 So what we're here today to discuss is the escalation in the
09:38:58 Fire, danger rating from a high to a very high.
09:39:02 We did. This was a Wednesday, I do believe. The 17.th this is following,
09:39:08 What we did, what Dnr. Did following Dnr steps.
09:39:10 And escalating a very high.
09:39:12 I also wanna note that we are now in the same.
09:39:17 Level as a neighboring jurisdictions, is Mason County.
09:39:22 So we are in a prepared list level 5 at the moment.
09:39:28 And I also have a Brian Tracy with me here behind me deputy fire, Marshal.
09:39:32 And just want to talk about exactly what this means for us, basically what it means. The same levels are in place. The only difference is now. We do not allow any charcoal to
be used at a place of residence.
09:39:45 Other than that. The only things that are allowed at this point are propane barbecues.
09:39:51 And would.
09:39:52 Pellet Fired Smokers.
09:39:54 Pellet grills in the triggers, the like.
09:39:57 Other than that all other outdoor burning activity is not allowed at this level.
09:40:05 Right.
09:40:05 And I have few
09:40:08 References. If anybody like to see exactly what the States do and how we came to these levels.
09:40:13 If you like.
09:40:13 I can share screen.
09:40:15 Well, I was gonna ask.
09:40:17 I heard it was fear of lightning strikes that partially caused this escalation, but I would love to know a little bit more.
09:40:24 Direct.
09:40:24 A little bit more.
09:40:25 Yes. So let's see here.
09:40:27 We can.
09:40:29 You share screen here for a sec.
09:40:31 Now this.
09:40:34 Okay. So one of the things I have here. So this is 1 1 of the the
09:40:39 Dashboards that the State puts out from Dnr. And, as you can see right here, we're not our red flag warning, but a lot of the central north, central.
09:40:47 Areas of the State are in a red flag warning, and that is, we don't want to be there if we don't have to. I was told there was a possibility that a portion of Mason County was
in a red flag warning this weekend, but I'm still trying to confirm that.
09:41:00 Again, as you see up here in the corner. Preparedness level is a 5 that's as high as it gets.
09:41:07 Have a few other things here that I can share.
09:41:10 My eyes are wandering. Look at Eastern Oregon. Wow! Big ones.
09:41:17 Oh!
09:41:15 Yes, there, there is some down here, you know. This is.
09:41:19 There's some definite red flag warning here down the southeastern Oregon, and several large fires going. You know. I definitely notice some degradation and air quality at my
place yesterday, and my little
09:41:33 Air purifier was going crazy. Kept giving me updates all the time that it was on the way up for a degradation of air quality.
09:41:40 See a few other things. This is one of the press releases for Mason County. This puts them. They. They did this on July 11.th
09:41:48 This puts us in an equivalent burn restriction, this point with the way that they they have a little bit of a different system than we do. They don't have the tier. They don't
have the little graphic.
09:41:59 But that says that the restrictions do not apply to pizza and smokers, propane pets or propane barbecues. So we're very similar in that. And what our
09:42:08 Threat level is at this point, restriction level.
09:42:13 Another one here that I can show you. This is the department natural resources, if you can see Central Lowlands is where the majority of
09:42:20 East Jefferson County, and the majority of the population county is, and that is currently in a very high with rule permit, and recreational fires are banned in this entire
area.
09:42:32 And so I believe that we are.
09:42:36 At an appropriate level. At this point, again, commissioners on how you can see over here. You have this very high over here, or the extreme. Rather over in the eastern part
of the State.
09:42:47 But yeah, so I believe that we are appropriately to
09:42:55 Track this. And you know, being a an amateur meteorologist, I'm learning a lot of the different tools that are available for this.
09:43:02 The one other thing that we can take a look at real quick.
09:43:05 Is this is our 70 significant fire potential. As you see, we do have a lightning warning today.
09:43:13 Actually yesterday. This is Sunday. Nobody today's has been released yet.
09:43:17 So we do have.
09:43:20 Potential levels falling slightly here. But this is something that changes daily. Lightning goes up and down. The restrictions daily. We are at this Nw. 0 1. Here, right across
the top of the graph.
09:43:34 So that is what I had to share with you at this point the the best information that we have available.
09:43:41 Would does anybody have any questions?
09:43:43 First.st They'll just, you know, looking at this week's forecast. Obviously, it's.
09:43:47 Cooler, and
09:43:50 We're seeing the kind of marine layer and Port Townsend at least. Can't speak for the rest of the county, obviously. But you know. Given that forecast.
09:44:00 Do you have access to kind of longer range that suggest that we would need to remain in this very high state? Or.
09:44:08 How do you see? Kind of responding to the actual conditions.
09:44:14 Thank you. Great question. So 7 days is kind of like the perfect snapshot for a lot of this weather, and even that being said, with a 7 day significant fire potential. This.
This graph is up here. Now. This changes daily.
09:44:27 And I've seen Lane that added and taken off here several times within the last few weeks.
09:44:34 So I believe that we are. We are sized now again, are still, for all the State lands does have us at a very high.
09:44:43 And so ours, our model.
09:44:46 Tracks. There's a little bit more closely than some of the other models that we have as far as actual restriction levels.
09:44:53 Again. If we were to go down one threat level from very high to high. Most of the same restrictions would still be in place. The only thing that you would be added back if you
will, would be the ability to use a charcoal and a residential setting. You still want to be allowed to use charcoal at any of the public areas camping anything like that.
09:45:13 Because of those threat levels.
09:45:15 So.
09:45:17 Realistically, I we could downgrade, and we probably will at some point, but not a whole lot of activity is going to be added back in. When that happens.
09:45:27 And that, you know it's confusing to the public to go back and forth. I'm glad the fire risk is down, but selfishly, I want to know if summer is gonna come back at some point.
09:45:36 Agreed absolutely, and that is one of the things that I strive to do is not to play yo-yo with this, and go up and down the restrictions. When we get to one, I try to make sure
that we're gonna sustain that level for at least.
09:45:49 You know, I I don't wanna have to keep coming back here weekly and informally, you know, like I said, we're playing yo with the we'll turn that dial up and turn it back down.
So it's it's a little bit more complicated than that, trying to smooth that out and not have as many spikes up and down as possible.
09:46:04 Anything else.
09:46:04 Brian, did you have.
09:46:05 Hmm.
09:46:06 Yeah. So just on the weather. Just briefly, we're giving you the 30,000 50,000 foot snapshot of, hey? We're trying to look out to see what our weather is doing, what it comes
down to, who's on the ground, what our fuels, and how much moisture, and those 10Â h 100Â h 1,000Â h, fuels.
09:46:21 And though it's a little missy and foggy out there, and our relative humidity might be coming back in the later afternoon in the evenings, which is good to see, which will slow
fire progression. Those fuels that are on the ground are kind of what we're looking at, and kind of what all these charts are based on. If a fire was gonna start, how fast is it gonna
spread, and how far? So these ratings that we give you with high and very high in the fire. Danger rating is kind of a prediction of whether.
09:46:46 It's kind of based on the science of what our ground fuels are showing.
09:46:52 And the the model that I have right now.
09:46:54 Unfortunately it kind of cuts it off here. But this is the Dnr fuel forecast.
09:46:59 Again looking at where we are, we are in the Lowland Central.
09:47:02 And what this is.
09:47:04 To kind of break this down a little bit. The big numbers here are the the 1,000Â h fuel levels and the woody fuel levels. And you see right now these are oyster contents.
09:47:13 And we still have a decent contents.
09:47:17 On the on our 1,000Â h fields when those get low and they get down below that
09:47:22 1213, 12 somewhere down on that range. That's what it has the potential to carry some very large fires.
09:47:29 So we also have a burn decks on here. We also have an energy release component here, which are 96.
09:47:35 So I think we're again. I think that we are.
09:47:38 Sized appropriately. In our where we are currently in red here would be in the extreme. So we would actually be escalating up a a restriction level which would take away any
propane barbecues and things like that so definitely don't wanna get there until we have the science to support that. We need to do that because that's a big ask of the public.
09:48:03 I'm sorry, Phil, can you? I? You made me interested in the chart when you started describing it, because I didn't understand it first, st but the 1,000 FM. Is what.
09:48:12 So the the.
09:48:13 1,000Â h fuel model.
09:48:15 And so 1,000Â h fuels are like down trees, large woody type those are. Those are things that if they were catch on fire will maintain a fire and have a lot of energy released
for an extended period of time. So that is,
09:48:28 That would.
09:48:30 Say land service. That'd be a bad wildfire, you know. Once we start to get into that kind of thing, if we were to have something take off.
09:48:37 I was also the 100Â h, and even the 10Â h model. Which are, you know, the smaller things piles getting down into, you know the grasses and the the small twigs and the duff that's
that's on the ground.
09:48:48 So.
09:48:48 What is the number? Is it? Lower the number, the higher the hazard, and the 1,000Â h fuel? That's but that's not moisture. Is that the moisture content.
09:48:58 Correct. That is a percentage of moisture content.
09:49:00 Is very low.
09:49:01 Is. Yes, and we're we're still sitting right here. We see the the orange, if you will kind of show up right here. But this 14 that is in the the orange, which is in the very
high. So we're not into the red yet, which is the the extreme.
09:49:16 Gotcha.
09:49:17 And then your your woody fuels right over here, this 1, 49. That's actually that's our stuff here. What's the exact.
09:49:25 Is it one inch smaller, one inches smaller, I believe. And that moisture recovery is a march is actually pretty high. So the smaller things, the grasses, things like that are
still retaining the moisture. So that's good for us, because that limits
09:49:40 The the possibility of some of those things.
09:49:42 I guess my understanding of the moisture is that it's a percentage, though. But that's not the case.
09:49:48 You are correct. I will have to double check on that.
09:49:52 That's a hundred 68%. Then.
09:49:55 But just.
09:49:55 Right 149 here.
09:49:55 And that'd be pretty bad.
09:49:57 Double check on that. Maybe I misunderstood exactly how they were rating that.
09:50:02 Let's.
09:50:02 Because I've been a lot. It's because I've been watering so much.
09:50:11 Cool. I really appreciate the update and the vigilance. And I I, you know, when you do make the changes coming here and and kind of letting us let the public know the rationale
behind is really helpful. So thank you, Phil, thank you, Brian.
09:50:23 Excellent. Thank you very much.
09:50:25 So much.
09:50:26 Hopefully. We won't be seeing you again too soon.
09:50:30 Oh, well, I'll be seeing this afternoon, so.
09:50:35 Going back down to high and moves that fast.
09:50:39 No, hopefully, not.
09:50:42 Alright!
09:50:44 If you don't mind to go push the briefing session, since we have guests here. So welcome Rebecca from county Edc. To talk about. The apex accelerator program, the ptec, correct.
So have you. Come on up and join the mark at the table. You're both welcome to.
09:51:05 Join over there and
09:51:11 And let me. This is Justine Wagner. Very pleased. We've we got more funding to hire a new counselor because we are growing so much. She was quite a catch.
09:51:26 Type of experience with government contracting and.
09:51:29 I'm so excited that we can kind of take it to the next level.
09:51:36 Give a presentation for us. I do. Okay. Great.
09:51:38 Is it.
09:51:42 Some want to share the screen.
09:51:44 There's not any agenda pack yet.
09:51:47 Oh, I sent it on Thursday. It was not in the agenda packet, but I'm well.
09:51:53 Happy to share it.
09:51:54 Oops!
09:51:56 I don't have it. But I mean, I mean someone you email.
09:52:01 Okay, is it easier for us to do it? At this point it might be able to join the Zoom Meeting, though. Do you have the link.
09:52:08 Potentially.
09:52:16 Yeah.
09:52:17 Like by the skin of my teeth, like Justine's getting it set up.
09:52:31 Can you ask me, Carolyn.
09:52:47 When the chair is supposed to share a joke, I think. Oh, a joke!
09:52:52 Little jokes.
09:52:54 Okay. I'm not either. Can't remember. I'm gonna save my life. I'm reading the autobiography of Woody Guthrie, bound for glory, and I think it's just magical writing.
09:53:20 Profound lyric on the State of America forties.
09:53:27 To see you.
09:53:27 Great.
09:53:28 Hmm.
09:53:35 I can probably scumble my way through. Okay, no, we're we're really close. It looks like, send it to you. So I'm not sure who will get it first.st But then raise your hand,
Justine. You get in the meeting, and we'll bring you over as a panelist, so you can share your screen.
09:53:49 Not okay. Getting on the Internet.
09:53:55 Greg would keep an eye out for sending it to you as well.
09:54:00 Not too much.
09:54:03 It's going from a private email.
09:54:07 Hi! Everyone.
09:54:09 Who you sending it to? I said to you first, st Mark.
09:54:12 Look at.
09:54:17 Do a lot of grace today.
09:54:18 Every day, actually please.
09:54:24 There we are!
09:54:25 Sorry about that. No, I'm sorry you should have been attached to the agenda. It was printed.
09:54:35 Yeah.
09:54:37 And like it's very, it's it's
09:54:40 Sure.
09:54:42 After all this? Yeah, yeah, it just keeps me on track. And
09:54:48 Alright! There we go!
09:54:51 So. Yes, apex accelerators, and I was here.
09:54:57 I believe about a year ago.
09:55:00 I had tears in my eyes most days, because it has been such a hard thing, you know, contracting. It's a big, bad world out there.
09:55:09 But I am happy to say that. I don't cry now every day. But, Kate, you're you. I should say, Mr. Dean, absolutely correct about Ptac. So it used to be called procurement technical
assistance. And we recently moved.
09:55:28 We're funded primarily through Department of Defense and they happen to move us from Defense logistics up to.
09:55:34 The office of small business programs decided to rebrand us. Whether or not that was a good thing. I don't know. There were, you know, there's about 900 counselors throughout
the country and people that have done with the program for 40 years. We're not thrilled.
09:55:50 That we were doing it. But for us out here apex was new to everybody, so really didn't impact us too much. So I think we can move along onto the.
09:56:01 Next slide.
09:56:05 So we really like to think of ourselves as a bridge between government and businesses. So we are here primarily to help businesses who are interested in doing contracting, and
this is at any level, whether it be local, state or federal.
09:56:22 And.
09:56:23 Really trying to get people.
09:56:26 Into it for the 1st time. Because if you've ever had to do anything on all of those government portals.
09:56:32 There's it's just no fundamental.
09:56:36 I I just say, yeah, we're we're gonna go it. So I walk a bunch of people through it a lot. Please, do you help nonprofits do that.
09:56:44 I I did. We're not supposed to, but I do. No, and I helped quite a few.
09:56:54 What was it last the October? So about 18 months ago, because of all of that money that was coming out, and people couldn't even get into sam.gov. I walked lots of your nonprofits.
09:57:13 About 5 and a half years ago.
09:57:16 It's just. I mean, it is such. It's just a ridiculous thing. So I'm really glad that.
09:57:21 They are letting us help people through a little bit less frustrating.
09:57:26 Okay, I think we're we can move ahead.
09:57:31 So kind of mentioned that we it's a nationwide program. It's been, in effect, for over 40 years, just about 40 years.
09:57:39 And so these are.
09:57:41 Just a breakdown of the things that we can help with.
09:57:44 Whether it be their marketing.
09:57:46 Big thing for us right now is certifications set asides at Federal level anytime. There's Federal money.
09:57:56 They will set aside a certain usually 15 for.
09:58:00 Certifications and.
09:58:03 Yay us. We live in a poor district, so we are all above zoom, which is hubzone, is historically underutilized. Business.
09:58:13 So.
09:58:15 Yeah, I've in my applications. Did we have to, of course, apply? Say, I'm not probably gonna find you high tech firms.
09:58:23 You know, or.
09:58:26 Artillery manufacturers, but we really are helping them get.
09:58:32 Unutilized businesses, you know. So women own business owned businesses to help break that in. So this, those are the certifications.
09:58:43 So do a lot of those.
09:58:45 We also do help with finding opportunities to bid. Because and that's that's the hard part.
09:58:51 You know, is actually finding them.
09:58:54 One of the things that we are able to provide with the funding is what they call bid match, and that's free to all of our clients.
09:59:02 Could charge we've chosen not to, but it will actually go through different websites and pull opportunities that it thinks that businesses is interested in. And, in fact, Port
Townsend rights, they're thinking about getting back into government contracting. And so their bid just went through last week, and I got a message, he said. Yes, there's some great
opportunities on here, so.
09:59:24 Can I ask you a question kind of about the other side? And whether or not you guys.
09:59:29 Do any advocacy with the municipalities that these folks are bidding on, you know. I mean, with like with our big sewer project that's going on right now.
09:59:36 Breaking that big project into smaller projects, you know, and conveyance separate from collection, separate from sewer. Really, I think, was the thing that enabled local companies
to bid on those projects when they were actually, you know, we can manage that much. And I'm just wondering if you guys are if that agency or advocacy is part of.
09:59:54 The apex accelerators work for me. Yes, in fact, that's a it's really not part of the job description, but it is something that.
10:00:02 You know.
10:00:03 When I was here a year ago.
10:00:06 I can't remember the gentleman's name who? In public works, but.
10:00:12 I have been trying to get.
10:00:15 The you know, cause they've got a way of doing things, of course, that has worked for them for a long time, and they're comfortable doing business with companies that they've
done it.
10:00:24 With, before.
10:00:26 And I would.
10:00:27 I. So you're familiar with Mrc, all of that. Well, they also do a lot of training.
10:00:35 And we did a Co. Hosted training last year for government agencies on how they can.
10:00:44 They can do their Rfps.
10:00:47 Differently. And and for some people it was the 1st time that they had heard about such things, and that was very it. And.
10:00:56 You know I am in Clown County more with Justine. Here I'm I'm actually looking for space out here so that we can be out in Jefferson County.
10:01:06 At least.
10:01:08 A couple of days a week.
10:01:10 But.
10:01:12 It it. It's relationship building. And I just need more of those opportunities to get to know Mark a little bit more because we're really here to try to make it easier on everybody
not harder. And I would love to see the.
10:01:27 Local agencies break down some of those jobs so that the smaller companies can.
10:01:34 Take a stab at it and give them a chance, you know. So absolutely. Thank you.
10:01:38 No, thank you.
10:01:40 We also do go through these stations with them. We're not obviously going to write the proposal back, but we can go through it.
10:01:49 And do suggestions can't help with the money side of it. But really from.
10:01:55 The very beginning to the end, even through the award process, and contracting after it.
10:02:00 So you understand the tears from last year? Can you check with our Edc. If they have space for you a couple of days, a week, or.
10:02:08 Yeah, I don't know. I you know Cindy and I are in touch. I am a because I serve Jefferson County.
10:02:16 We serve Jefferson County as well.
10:02:19 I can report to her number the businesses that we've worked with out here space for you to be over here at all with them. Exactly. So we're we're nosing around. Justine is.
10:02:31 She's been with us. I think we're going into a whole month, so, as I know.
10:02:44 And so, Commissioner, brother to this is kind of what we were talking about is, you know, this is.
10:02:50 How I see I can be useful as well. For the governments. And.
10:02:57 We're always surprised how many companies are out there.
10:03:02 That.
10:03:03 Just think that this is a closed off world.
10:03:05 That there's never going to be a way in. And so I'm trying to change that as well for them, so that they're feeling.
10:03:14 Like, yes, I've got a shot at doing this.
10:03:19 Then you can.
10:03:20 Move ahead!
10:03:22 And so I just these were sort of statistics. I need to be.
10:03:28 Far more interested in jefferson.
10:03:31 But in Jefferson County alone, right now I've got 94 people.
10:03:36 That were, you know, they're on the books.
10:03:40 And these are some of the companies that have been that I've been working with most recently.
10:03:47 And these.
10:03:48 Don't eat the 346,000. Those are only Federal contracts. Because my system can actually go through and figure out the awards, but we can't figure out the local awards, and these
companies.
10:04:03 I know, have also gotten local awards. But they don't.
10:04:08 It's hard to pull that information from them. So I know that it's it's quite a bit higher even than 346,000 these are some of the things that we've been helping them with.
10:04:19 So, of course, lovely, you know, Sam, trying to get good on there and looking at sound holdings. Do you see the capability statement. That's basically just a company's resume.
10:04:31 But the Government wants it a specific way, so that it it just has certain information on it.
10:04:37 But very happy. With all the things we're doing.
10:04:41 For companies out here as well. What a perfect slide here have each of these companies have a Sam go hubzone certification. Our whole thing is.
10:04:57 To get them to the point where they can finally start bidding, and I believe.
10:05:04 Burwash. He's a startup company, so not there yet.
10:05:07 But is it what it sounds like? Does he wash things? He, my understanding is, he actually has had a few jobs with.
10:05:16 Jefferson cap. I don't know if it's with the county or the city. He does fencing construction, that kind of thing. So.
10:05:24 He! He changed the name of his company. So we're kind of going through those startups, you know, getting all the registrations. That kind of thing.
10:05:33 But with with the exception of him, as the startup.
10:05:37 All of the I've got most companies all to the point where they.
10:05:41 They can
10:05:43 Start contracting.
10:05:44 And then you may be familiar with Goodman Ink, and I even put this in my proposal to Dod. That good man has.
10:05:54 Series of been credited with keeping Hurricane Bridge open after the lodge burned down. So that's.
10:06:01 Except for the day. I tried to go up there.
10:06:03 And the Porta potties were overflowing. They closed the ridge. It was funny, I'm like, let's go up to the Ridge spontaneously last summer, and you're like we're not letting
people up there right now.
10:06:28 We know we have very high.
10:06:30 Per capita number of small businesses. Yeah. So like coyote Camp Fireline show. He is a retired Fire Chief.
10:06:40 And he is.
10:06:43 He. He does these for firefighters, and and he doesn't actually make them so. He's not a manufacturer, but he procures things like a can of chili and chocolate chip cookies
and granola bars, and and that and and then puts them together and can get them on site.
10:07:03 Quickly, so.
10:07:07 The best part of this job.
10:07:08 Is getting to know all these businesses, because I had no idea all these things that make the world and that is super exciting. I may have told you last year that it was the
very 1st client that I ever had, and
10:07:25 Our report of engineers was hiring.
10:07:28 Her because she, her dogs, sniff out ancient human remains, and they wanted to.
10:07:34 Be sure. The the dogs went out to.
10:07:36 Check the river back before they started in with their big human remains, or probably any human remains right. Just ancient, just ancient. There are 3 cents. They are trained.
10:07:48 To recognize. So it's agent.
10:07:53 Phones, and then what they call mains.
10:07:56 Or and I can't remember the 3rd one, but they are agent human.
10:08:01 And this company she is. She was actually hired by National Geographic to go out to some on the Pacific Ocean.
10:08:08 And she's convinced that she knows.
10:08:10 Where.
10:08:12 Amelia Earhart is.
10:08:14 I don't think it's right. I've seen some articles that said that they're, you know. Probably not. But the dogs are amazing. And again. I would never have known that there.
10:08:24 You know that that's a which one is that again, I'm sorry. Was that one of these.
10:08:36 But anyway, I just wanna let you know that we are. We are trying to make this money work for both counties.
10:08:43 And I guess I I already.
10:08:46 I I mentioned this, but this was actually the picture that I put into the proposal.
10:08:50 It also gives them a little slice of our that absolutely stunning.
10:08:55 Sunny county out here.
10:09:01 And so I we've already gotten the mailing out over the weekend. So we are about to kick off. Summer camp sounds super fun. But these are open to Kyle and Jefferson County.
10:09:18 Businesses, and we're just going to go through.
10:09:21 You know, 4 classes, and then Edc is also doing.
10:09:26 Lead training, and then a women in business.
10:09:29 So I'm you know.
10:09:31 Hopeful that we will get people from all over to come in and check out these trainings.
10:09:38 Ours specifically is kind of on a basic level.
10:09:43 Because by the time they're more, you know, getting to that, they're closer. They probably need one on one counseling. But we'll be doing an intro to government contracting.
10:09:53 Show the benefits of certifications and then marketing, and then market research.
10:09:58 So.
10:10:06 So this is, after all, of all of that I think I mentioned the Department of Defense.
10:10:13 They fund 85% of this. So this is, and then.
10:10:15 We come very cheap to to our counties, and.
10:10:22 We.
10:10:22 We have to do a local match.
10:10:25 With the remaining 15, and just wanted to let you know that this is.
10:10:30 We hope that Jefferson County will continue.
10:10:33 Supporting us with that.
10:10:37 Contribution, and we did 10,000 last year right.
10:10:41 Correct. Yeah.
10:10:44 And then I've got just got a final slide, and if you've got, you know.
10:10:49 I could go on and on, forever and ever. But if you've got any questions, you know, I'm happy to answer them. It really has been.
10:10:57 An exciting thing to try to get off the ground, and and I feel now that I.
10:11:02 Got Justine on board that we can really take it to New heights.
10:11:06 I would say, if you're interested in working with nonprofits in the community, I would recommend.
10:11:11 Reaching out to the Community Foundation. If you haven't already to Jen King Fisher.
10:11:17 She's kind of the nonprofit weaver for the county, but she's just a great person for probably for you to know, and so she knows about you, I mean, I'm not saying you offer.
10:11:26 Whole cloth, your services. But just so, she knows that this exists.
10:11:30 Would be a really beneficial thing for the I was the Development Director at Penn Behavioral Health for 10 years, and wrote the brand and.
10:11:39 Converted them into community grills. So.
10:11:42 If somebody had reached out to me and said, I will help you get through, Sam, I would. It's just so ridiculous. So yes, I would never want anybody to have to go through that
pain. I also heard that the Chamber of Commerce that they're in might be getting up and going again, so we'll be down.
10:12:02 Branching out down there, too.
10:12:04 And I'm really I love meeting people. That's the fun part of it. So if you're Chambers board, so I'd I'd love to get you down there for a meeting for sure. And Brennan.
10:12:28 Okay.
10:12:29 No, I don't. Ha! I have not been out there, and
10:12:33 That is on my site. So.
10:12:36 I get an invitation I'll let it go. I will send you one. Okay, and I've also I don't know.
10:12:44 It's been harder for me to get in touch with the whole tribe.
10:12:49 And so if anybody has, I've worked with, you know.
10:12:53 And Jamestown.
10:12:54 But if you have connections there, we actually have a special native apex, so I can go out there and do some outreach. But for.
10:13:04 The really they'll get.
10:13:06 Much more sophisticated than than I can, because there are some things that native apex is.
10:13:12 Dedicated tribal members or tribes can do that I don't know so much about, but.
10:13:17 Just trying to get people connected with the vice chair down there. She's pretty responsive.
10:13:22 I'm curious. Do you have
10:13:25 Like, what's a limiting factor in Jefferson County right now? Is it finding businesses that are interested in.
10:13:33 And working towards contracting? Or is it having the capacity to serve the businesses that.
10:13:39 That you've already identified. No, it's a it's a great question. And it's really, I just need to do someone marketing. And I need to get out there. I I would not have had the
capacity before justine came along.
10:13:52 It's just, you know, been a lot, but I.
10:13:57 Tell me where they are, and I'll put you know I'm I'm happy to. So whether it's through marketing, getting out to chambers, or whatever it is, I'm happy to help.
10:14:07 Okay.
10:14:09 Are most of the Federal contracts with the military, I mean, since they're the primary funders, does it usually work out pretty well? I so.
10:14:18 In the last.
10:14:19 But 18 months. I guess. I we've actually done about 12 million dollars, but most of that is from Platypus in county. So they have.
10:14:29 But.
10:14:31 You know, of course.
10:14:32 Good man they've done dnr
10:14:36 And she may have done. I can't. I think, some coast guard or so I don't know. But there! So yes, we have a lot of Federal entities around here that we may not think of. So,
Dod, maybe I'm actually doing the Navy is gonna come out with their small business liaison.
10:14:53 In.
10:14:54 I want to say. September.
10:14:55 September. So that will be. I love having those events, because those are really great opportunities to advertise and get people interested in coming out, but they're looking,
you know. The Navy buys everything from.
10:15:09 You know, chewing them to.
10:15:12 Tanks right like, have you up? Crtc, which a nonprofit in column, county housing and everything. Yeah. Do you know, if they got that.
10:15:19 Additional contract they were going for that I do not know. They are
10:15:25 I mean, I've been out there a couple of times and seen it.
10:15:30 You know, it's.
10:15:32 I'm I'm not. They had that military contract before I came around. And of course they were nonprofit. Thankfully. We just, you know, I kind of got the go ahead that you can
work with them. But Dave's running pretty tight ship out there.
10:15:50 Yeah. Cool exciting stuff.
10:16:14 So we have a ask to consider.
10:16:19 And
10:16:22 I don't know if that's something we want to take up right now, or wasn't presented in the agenda. Request that we make the decision right now is that something you're looking
for now.
10:16:31 Oh, yeah.
10:16:31 If you follow up. I don't. You know. I I trust that you don't need to deal with it right now.
10:16:39 Well, maybe marketing any thoughts on vegetarian.
10:16:44 Request for 10,000. We absorbed it easily last year, and we can do so again.
10:16:50 I mean, I'm happy. We should probably take public comment, I guess, since we didn't list it as action. But yeah.
10:16:56 If someone care to make a motion, and then I can.
10:17:01 I'll move that we approve. Supporting the.
10:17:04 Apex accelerator program to the same 10,000 limit that we did last year.
10:17:11 As much as match. I'm happy to second that.
10:17:14 I just call out the match to specify that it brings it in 85, more than 85 cents. We're paying a small portion of the thank you really appreciate that. So we have a motion on
the table, and we will need to take public comments.
10:17:27 So anyone present who would like to comment on.
10:17:31 The motion to provide $10,000 in match to the apex accelerator program with.
10:17:37 From a Evc.
10:17:40 Zoom. Raise hand room, you can.
10:17:43 Signal.
10:17:45 Anyone interested in.
10:17:47 Any public comment, only on the motion on the table.
10:17:55 I'm not seeing any of those public comments any further discussion. Thanks for your time.
10:18:07 Thank you very much, and I will. But we'll talk to Cindy and.
10:18:13 And I'll connect you with
10:18:15 Account, number.
10:18:21 So much.
10:18:23 The only other thing we have on our agenda this morning is our Commissioners session.
10:18:30 And then over the lunch hour. We do have a quarterly.
10:18:34 Coordination meeting, where we have all of our directors join us for quarterly meeting. So
10:18:43 Carolyn.
10:18:45 Neither in person.
10:18:47 Or.
10:18:48 By zoom.
10:18:50 We will just keep this open.
10:18:54 Great anywhere to go over last week. We didn't. We didn't have a lot of time for beeping last week, so.
10:19:02 Yeah. Let's see.
10:19:03 Might be nice to break a little bit early, so tend to make lunch or.
10:19:10 New meetings. Eating on zoom isn't very fun. Yeah.
10:19:13 Let's see, I can go starting with last week.
10:19:19 We did. We did. We talk about the week prior, we did briefly, right? Okay. So let's see, last week with you here together, of course. And then.
10:19:32 Had Northhood Canal Chamber Board meeting, where we interviewed 2 New.
10:19:38 Executive assistant, new applicants for an executive assistant position, and made an offer, and both.
10:19:45 Hopefully. Both will accept positions within the Visitor Information Center, but that went well.
10:19:50 And we had our 8th meeting of the Healthier task force and had a great presentation from Martha Pools. Just this, really,
10:19:58 Super knowledgeable engineer, their their chief operate chief technical officer. I can't remember exact title, and then also,
10:20:07 As well as a sales agent, and then.
10:20:12 Nick, from who's kind of the operations manager at the Idaho.
10:20:17 That. We looked at the sprung pool and talking about the you know.
10:20:21 Kind of operations with the sprung pool, and everything was very helpful, and then we started.
10:20:27 Form conclusions. We'll be meeting again.
10:20:30 Next this week.
10:20:33 This week, no next week.
10:20:35 Have a week.
10:20:36 But everybody's doing lots of work, you know. People are meeting outside and putting together conclusions. And it's a it's a daunting.
10:20:43 Task because.
10:20:44 You know, all these questions are so, you know, related that it's really hard to make you know this, and then this, and then this. It's not a game of clue.
10:20:50 I guess is what I'm saying.
10:20:52 You feeling optimistic.
10:20:54 Well, I'll tell you. What I think is that.
10:20:57 We need a new pool, and that we're all agreed on that that.
10:21:01 We can only support one new pool.
10:21:03 And that we, the funding mechanism.
10:21:08 They aren't gonna work. The same ones aren't gonna work in different areas.
10:21:11 But there's a lot of resistance as we start talking about chimicum or area located pool about the loss that. And I think I mentioned this before, you know, losing a pool. Here
is a real loss.
10:21:23 So I think we need to really get together with the city and some public outreach before we decide on.
10:21:29 Which way we go, and and I mean.
10:21:32 My perspective. This is not the task. Force me.
10:21:35 You know a pool in the city supported by an Mpd. A pool in the Tri area supported by a Pfd. Either one of these will work. But we have to decide as an entire community before
we go down one of those paths. And then it's 2 years of work.
10:21:49 Of really figuring out what's the programming? What's what? How can we make this thing work with the best cost recovery model program it out before you start designing, so all
the numbers almost don't.
10:22:00 Matter right now. I mean, I love the Merthyr Pool. I'm sold on Martha. It's they're super cool, fastest pool in the world. Every year with the pool as a Martha Pool, and they
also have really cool 0 entry with like.
10:22:10 Playground stuff so you could like fall rated, even dry. And I mean, so they can do super cool stuff. They showed us picture of this.
10:22:18 Rooftop Macauley River that's like a mile long, you know. I mean they can do anything
10:22:24 We probably can't afford. I don't think we can afford that. But what I'm what I was really trying to say is we. It's premature to even make those decisions. But we've got to
decide where the pool is. Gonna go and and throw the county and city behind one or the other.
10:22:37 And that's gonna.
10:22:39 They, the task force, can.
10:22:40 Can't make that decision.
10:22:42 Right, and like even deciding on what assumptions you build into that in terms of.
10:22:47 The number of users that type of programming. And I think I think even that is premature. At this point, I think from what we've learned the work of either the Mpd. Or the Pfd.
Or you know, parts and Rec. District.
10:22:59 Would be figuring out that programming is designed in a in a lot of ways. And you know, I've told you some of the assumptions South would be.
10:23:06 Jadis along the way kind of truthing them out with, you know the public. And then the professionals supported those therapy pools.
10:23:14 So just like getting everything in the right order. What do we need to figure out first, st what do we need to figure out second and really.
10:23:22 Kind of got to decide as a community.
10:23:24 What's the best place for the pool?
10:23:25 Knowing that it has this particular funding mechanism.
10:23:29 Tied to it.
10:23:31 And I'm fine with that, you know.
10:23:33 Yeah, yeah. But even the like, you know, do most.
10:23:36 Most of the users of the pool currently are 4 towns and residents. Is that because they are.
10:23:43 More likely to swim at a pool? Or is that because of proximity to where the existing pool is? You know, the ports in school district is growing. School district is shrinking.
Is that you know.
10:23:53 Does that reflect where where kids are? Or you know a lot of as we planning? You know, we're planning out the Tri area to develop. So do we want to be aspirational in this
10:24:08 You know, even in 2,014 people in that study people didn't want.
10:24:14 Even mid county. People thought that a new pool should go in poor towns, and just because it.
10:24:17 Always has been 4 towns, and so I mean, there's a real.
10:24:23 Kind of locked in mentality about that. That is the early studies of the the pool replacing mountain view, didn't it?
10:24:33 Say that it.
10:24:33 And then Bd. Would not raise enough funds.
10:24:37 This. Yeah, you know, I've been doing that math myself, and we're gonna try to get a little bit more. But I mean, an Mpd. Can either do a 25,000, or.
10:24:47 An additional.
10:24:48 50 for 75 per 1,000, and I think you can. You can always levy less than the minimum. But 25 cents is kind of the base that you have to get after you get your 50% majority to
form it. Then you need your 60 super majority to pass that bond right?
10:25:03 But.
10:25:04 My calculations on the, you know, assessed value just with the ports.
10:25:10 City limits as an Mpd.
10:25:12 And I'm no expert. But, you know, just putting in final value and everything, and excel.
10:25:17 It would be like $750,000, which at a 5 and a half percent interest rate for a 20 year bond. It's like 25 million dollars. So you know, that's not nothing. I mean, we're not
talking about other.
10:25:30 Ancillary funds. I think the the.
10:25:34 If memory serves. And I'm gonna do this research before our last meeting to really kind of dig this out. But
10:25:38 I think they were looking at 10 cents on the on a thousand dollars.
10:25:42 Which as as more palatable. And maybe you know, cause I think the school district has a big bond. They're going out for that, you know you wanna be. You don't wanna do other
really important work right? At the same time.
10:25:54 You know, but country wise?
10:25:56 Jeff Com is is likely gonna have to consider a sales tax levy request, too, which is a countywide sales tax request. So I mean, I mean, there's always.
10:26:05 You know, competing.
10:26:07 Benefits that are gonna be.
10:26:08 That we need to consider
10:26:11 And do you consider them.
10:26:13 As a set? Or do you consider each one on its own merits?
10:26:17 Way to approach it, but.
10:26:18 I mean, if you can get 25 million dollars from Citywide, Mpd.
10:26:22 I think that's yeah.
10:26:24 It's enough.
10:26:26 But sorry. So through Monday night
10:26:30 Tuesday, Edc. Finance Committee and the special hearing on the.
10:26:35 Jefferson transit with you guys. And we had our.
10:26:39 Cool, seeing empowered teams coalition with Mackenzie Marmall, our new coordinator. Great, you know, just.
10:26:45 Pretty much introductions.
10:26:48 With you guys with a budget meeting.
10:26:50 My big takeaway from the budget meeting was that big recording fee find.
10:26:57 The yeah, the the rainier purchase
10:27:02 Real estate, excise, tax, right.
10:27:05 It re, but it was.
10:27:06 Oh, it was re not recording fees. It was a land transaction. Gotcha. I don't know why. I thought it was recording fees. Okay, but that was a nice windfall. Unexpected. Boom!
10:27:22 We had our Executive Board meeting for Nodc.
10:27:26 Didn't get to know a grant they were going for so some struggles that inner DC, as we've lost some staff due to grants not being renewed, and it's kind of the same.
10:27:38 Cyclical, you know, existential crisis of, you know, trying to grow the you know this, she's lived out for a while. Yeah, yeah, no, she's really 8 years. Well, so when I took
this job.
10:28:03 And then with you guys on Thursday for Board of Health.
10:28:08 And then
10:28:09 We did welcome our new only cap executive director with the old Cap meeting. So I can tell you that we're. I think she's starting officially on August first, st but Holly Morgan
is joining us from.
10:28:19 She was the coo of Washington Easter seals. And is that a career and nonprofits kind of moved from.
10:28:27 Programming and and direct services into administration with an Mpa. A decade or so ago, I think. And
10:28:35 She's just been great, you know, just her approach. Just kind of getting into it. And yeah, I'm I'm really upset.
10:28:42 She got a place and and District 2, she'll be a yeah Commissioner Eisenhower, you will be her her commissioner. Right? So yes, she has a place, and she's she relocated for the
job. Yeah.
10:28:57 I look forward to meeting her. Yeah, no, she's great.
10:29:00 Ocb. I went to Consortium board. Meeting on Friday was great.
10:29:05 That's good programs going on.
10:29:08 And then I didn't really find anyone for Kpz. So I
10:29:14 I did 4 songs that I'm learning to play as describing a summation of the every week county update. So that's all right. And of course we're preempted. I think the next 2 weeks
we should look at that schedule later, maybe, but it was good played burning down the house.
10:29:37 Talk about 0 based budgeting and wildfires, and the ballot of Hollis Brown talking about housing, and then the swimming by Ludenwrite the 3.rd Do you know that sound? It's a
great song.
10:29:51 We do an icebreaker for the healthier, and I'm contemplating maybe a sink long for our last outbreak, our last healthier meeting. Of course you can. Might have. One might have
to announce a a notice it, but it'd be well worth it. So.
10:30:09 And.
10:30:11 That was my week.
10:30:13 I hiked up to the top of Mount Town, though, and spent the night Friday night, and it is like my favorite view of Jefferson County. That's such a great hike. Yeah. Yeah. Because
you camp at the lake the little. No, we can't go. Oh, fine. Yeah. It's good, cool.
10:30:27 There's even some flat spots up. There are some flat spots. Yeah, just on the way. Yeah, pretty much.
10:30:32 Hmm.
10:30:35 Okay.
10:30:36 Last week.
10:30:41 Monday after I was with you guys, we went and did a
10:30:46 On your bike ride. Butler organized a bike tour of historic port, hadlock.
10:30:51 We had about 8 people.
10:30:52 And it was kind of.
10:30:55 Kind of.
10:30:56 Pop up, led by me and.
10:30:59 And ellie, from the Historical Society, had done a bunch of research, and it was really fun.
10:31:05 Was really fun. We went down to the beach Byndale and looked at the old.
10:31:10 Kills right on the beach, and then looked at the you know where the field is now.
10:31:14 And the whole company houses that rogue houses that are right above there. And then it was fun. Some topography people were willing to bike up and down ourselves. Yeah, it was
Jim Pearson. He left us, a couple of them going back up that hill. But how many people came.
10:31:36 We should do it again. I know I wanted I would have done it.
10:31:44 See Tuesday.
10:31:48 Mallory and I reviewed our Trustland transfer applications, and in advance of the Thursday presentations.
10:31:56 We had a special Transit Development Plan Board meeting.
10:32:02 Wednesday was budget meeting Wednesday morning.
10:32:05 And Mark Mccauley's birthday on Wednesday.
10:32:11 We had the port headlock opening for the collection system. I did not, but I immediately reached out and found out that.
10:32:20 We got one bed, and it was in the ballpark of what Sam had in her budget. So yeah, it was 2 instead of 2.5.
10:32:34 No, it was people I people felt like that. We could work with it.
10:32:40 I miss the chemical teams coalition meeting.
10:32:45 I went to the Perk meeting on Thursday morning to plan for the picnic, which was fun.
10:32:54 Big turnout for that meeting. That was good meeting.
10:32:58 For the internal, not the all county picnic, but the
10:33:02 That's that's emergency management. Yeah, staff picnic. Yeah. You know, when that is.
10:33:09 August 20.
10:33:11 Price.
10:33:14 I think it's the 21.st
10:33:16 21.st
10:33:17 5 o'clock Hj. Carroll Calendar. Me, too.
10:33:21 5, 30.
10:33:22 Think it's 5.
10:33:27 Let's see.
10:33:30 And then I'm getting through. Oh, and then we did our.
10:33:34 Trust land transfer advisor, or you know the the.
10:33:37 Review panel on Thursday afternoon, and Mallory did a great job.
10:33:42 Presenting our 4 projects.
10:33:46 She got some hard questions.
10:33:49 From.
10:33:51 Largely the School Directors Association and American Forest Council, but.
10:34:02 You know, a couple of our projects are probably stronger moving forward because there's some.
10:34:09 Timing issues with the extension of the Olympic trail out of Anderson Lake, State Park.
10:34:14 Would go on that onto that Anderson Lake piece, and that's a.
10:34:18 More of a near term. It's the next extension of the.
10:34:21 Trail.
10:34:22 So. That would be a great one to get taken care of, and then the one.
10:34:27 Out by Cape George!
10:34:30 The pumper last wilderness is is a little section of it, but the.
10:34:34 Larger portion of it.
10:34:36 Has a part of the larger portion, has a timbersale plan for 2027, so.
10:34:42 We'll see the communities out there go up in arms if that happens. So.
10:34:45 We're hoping that those 2 can really be prioritized in this round for moving forward.
10:34:52 Anyway. So there's.
10:34:54 If if the Anderson Lake one chosen, there's no reason to think that Dnr. Wouldn't give us an easement for the trail on that piece.
10:35:02 It's like. It doesn't depend on the trust that transfer.
10:35:06 Yeah, I don't know what their timber harvest plans are on that piece. I think there are.
10:35:11 Plans.
10:35:13 I said that that would be yeah.
10:35:16 Looks the guy that.
10:35:18 Yeah, our guys, name.
10:35:21 Rosen gong.
10:35:23 Person who comes our quarterly update. Yeah, no, the trails. The one who negotiates for Dnr. It's I've always heard it wasn't.
10:35:31 A problem. Yes. Well, that's good.
10:35:37 And then I took Friday off to start the great reroof of my mom's sheds, which we got done yesterday, and I.
10:35:45 Really, sore.
10:35:46 Today.
10:35:48 Take all weekend. It took all weekend.
10:35:51 Yeah.
10:35:52 But we got them done.
10:35:53 So car, paper and metal.
10:35:56 Yeah, they look great.
10:35:58 Nice.
10:35:59 And I did not go to the.
10:36:02 Democrats fundraiser yesterday, because.
10:36:04 We were in the like.
10:36:06 Crunch, crunch! Time of the room started to rain a little bit.
10:36:14 Let's see, last week and when we left here I went and met with Celeste from Pda and
10:36:24 They've had a.
10:36:25 The State funded a new web.
10:36:29 They're calling a pros plan like we have a pros plan. But it was
10:36:32 Little bit more
10:36:34 Of.
10:36:37 A kind of how how the heck, yes, and and then we helped fund a an economic impact study and
10:36:47 There will be a big announcement this week as to what the the decided I can't say what that is, but it's
10:36:57 A big announcement. So I think I've been getting previews of it because people are.
10:37:02 Jockeying. So yeah.
10:37:07 Tuesday,
10:37:09 I met with Viola from Ocap and Amanda Christopherson to talk about preparing for Congress visit on Wednesday, and also trying to kind of hand off the
10:37:24 Or at least do a better job of sharing information about the appropriations. Request that we have
10:37:32 So.
10:37:33 Jump ahead a little bit to Wednesday.
10:37:37 Congressman Kilmer and his district director, Andrea Roper, were here. We toured Caswell Brown again, and
10:37:43 Sounds like camera, was only able to secure 250,000 instead of 2.5 million in the House appropriations. Which is.
10:37:51 Typical. The Democrats are getting much less.
10:37:55 Appropriation and then Republican control House. So they.
10:37:59 The new majority gives $1 for democratic projects every $4 they get for their own projects. So that's a little frustrating. And but Kilmar is committed to working our Senators
hard to try to get in the Senate appropriations bills. The remainder
10:38:20 Talked about all the reasons why that was important in part.
10:38:24 Really grateful for Amanda Soccer's work here at the county.
10:38:27 You know, she's saying.
10:38:29 It's not worth it like we wouldn't take 250,000. The amount of effort to secure one of these.
10:38:35 Federal.
10:38:37 Grants like the Admin and everything. Yeah, it's just too much work which I've seen with our
10:38:44 Usda. One for childcare. Just too much effort. So.
10:38:48 They heard that loud and clear, and are gonna go to that.
10:38:52 We had our.
10:38:54 Jefferson Transit Authority Board meeting is mentioned, approved the Transit Development Plan.
10:39:01 Had a meeting Tuesday afternoon with.
10:39:06 Monty, Samantha, Harper.
10:39:09 The great sewer intern. We have chance to meet the 3rd year. Engineering student that you dub
10:39:21 And.
10:39:22 Josh Peters joined us for that meeting, too, and we just.
10:39:26 Totally.
10:39:27 Geeked out on the sewer. So you'll hear today the results of some of that.
10:39:32 Narrowing down to some specific questions for us to consider.
10:39:39 Wednesday budget meeting
10:39:43 Not allowed to report there. It does look like we're in pretty good shape, and.
10:39:46 1st talked about some budget assumptions for the.
10:39:49 Mid year check, in.
10:39:52 Webinar consent agenda. Today.
10:39:58 Had a meeting with.
10:40:01 The legislative steering committee co-chairs, and Paul to talk about our upcoming legislative agenda. Not much to report. There.
10:40:10 Just getting an update on the work staff is done on the 7 priorities about that Lsc. This year, which is a lot.
10:40:20 Let's see, had a meeting with is there anything you can forward around that.
10:40:27 Let's see.
10:40:29 Think anything. I don't do anything.
10:40:31 Concise, yet.
10:40:34 Like, I need to start reading.
10:40:37 When I do get them.
10:40:39 Like the staff is working on.
10:40:41 Basically a memo for each of those, and I will send them around to you. But right now it's all there's yeah.
10:40:51 The meeting with Scott Walker on kind of.
10:40:54 Thinking about future, of.
10:40:57 Very interested in reducing minimums. So that will come up in the Comp plan process. I imagine.
10:41:05 Good meeting with Mark on setting a.
10:41:09 Process for the fairgrounds. So in the new operating agreement with the fairgrounds.
10:41:18 Mark is responsible for approving.
10:41:20 A lot so fairgrounds.
10:41:24 Greater transparency so.
10:41:27 We talked about how we can do that in a way that's not too burdensome.
10:41:31 Working on that.
10:41:33 Thursday morning, had a meeting with the Legislature for.
10:41:38 Computer sound, partnership,
10:41:40 They're.
10:41:42 Trying to propose amendments on how to ensure more.
10:41:48 Monitoring and enforcement of Dma, particularly in shorelines. And we've heard this from our DC. Over the years, too, you know, even if.
10:41:56 Things are permitted.
10:42:01 That's, you know, the time when occupancy is granted.
10:42:06 People make a lot of changes to property over time, and there's, you know, very little opportunity to kind of follow up on what is actually happening.
10:42:14 Particularly on shoreline properties, that.
10:42:16 There is now better mapping where
10:42:21 Community development.
10:42:23 Can go. And you know, look online and see if there's been changes. But
10:42:30 What planning department has that capacity to follow up ongoing? Oh, this one of our 10,000 properties is made a an illegal change meeting on would be island. We learned that,
you know literally hundreds of.
10:42:54 Surely harming projects had gone in during Covid and.
10:42:58 You know it's much harder after the fact to address those, and so.
10:43:05 You know I I.
10:43:06 Wear 2 hats off, and you know what is practical for counties and what is best for the environment. And so, you know.
10:43:13 Trying to thread that needle with.
10:43:16 A small work group that's working on these gmaments.
10:43:19 You know, part of the talk is that if a.
10:43:23 What? What are the proposals?
10:43:25 As, to.
10:43:26 Have a Enforcement monitoring plan. Be part of the Smp or the.
10:43:34 Comp. Plan for county.
10:43:36 And if.
10:43:37 Ecology or commerce approve that, then that would give us safe harbor, then to.
10:43:42 Legal challenges. So you know, if if we had an Enforcement plan that was funded.
10:43:47 I mean not just the plan, but if some enforcement were funded, then.
10:43:54 If you know, if we were to get sued by an environmental group for.
10:43:59 Assuming we're following our plan. If we were to get an environmental group we would be protected.
10:44:05 From that lawsuit. So.
10:44:07 Trying to come up with ideas like better practical.
10:44:09 And would work for counties potentially.
10:44:13 Can I ask one feature scheduling thing? I I was someone just.
10:44:18 Grab my obo yesterday and said, Hey, sound partnership needs is.
10:44:24 Speaker, and asked if I could speak this Friday.
10:44:26 Like. Maybe both of you are out of town.
10:44:28 Pick on the 3rd choice, and understandable, but.
10:44:32 Does that make sense? Jeff?
10:44:34 Oh, wait! Oh, is that straight? Alright! Sorry! Not not really. I can bring it up later.
10:44:42 Oh, right? Yeah. Mrc.
10:44:44 Gotcha. Okay, that's what it was. Yeah.
10:44:47 Right cause. They asked me, and I have a conflict, and I said.
10:44:51 Try Kate.
10:44:58 Had a a Peninsula, regional transportation planning organization work group meeting. So kind of.
10:45:06 Narrow down our legislative, which are, we decided one to support the.
10:45:15 Work group. That Representative Nance has going on funding and specifically to call out the benefit of fast ferries to this region.
10:45:26 Second is to encourage the legislature to use toll credits to fund our 20% match for the Dungeness line. So that's a.
10:45:38 Obscure
10:45:40 Kind of a relic that we still have this subsidized line, and I didn't realize it stops at every major medical center in Seattle, and it takes 4Â h. But it's a bus that goes
from Port Angeles.
10:45:54 You know, over the Edmonds to all the medical centers in Seattle, and then Cac and back. Wow! So you know, great for folks who aren't able to walk on ferries. Obviously, folks
going to medical appointments. It just takes a long time. There's also talk potentially adding a 3rd run.
10:46:16 20%.
10:46:18 Match that.
10:46:19 We have not been paying.
10:46:23 It has been paid through. A weird.
10:46:27 Gray hounds. It's really complicated.
10:46:32 Greyhound is.
10:46:33 Subsidize.
10:46:35 Flex bus took over a bunch of contracts.
10:46:39 That may 20% match from greyhound go away. The legislature has toll credits.
10:46:45 From right now. It's almost all 5.
10:46:49 That they, I guess, probably come near us.
10:46:52 That they can allocate to.
10:46:56 Projects like this. So it's asking the legislature to provide this 20 match which.
10:47:00 Pretty small amount actually continue subsidizing the Dungeness slide over really and.
10:47:07 The.
10:47:08 Appear Tpo plan. We're required to plan for the like medically vulnerable population. And so it meets our need for that that run meets our need for that population. 3 counties.
10:47:20 Really? Well, sounds good.
10:47:24 there's an ask for sustainable funding for all of the Tpos.
10:47:31 To increase the base funding to 400,000 per biennium. So basically $2,000 a year, which is a, you know.
10:47:39 1.5 to run the
10:47:42 Pure tpo.
10:47:44 And.
10:47:47 See, that's 1, 2, 3 can't remember what we decided on. The
10:47:53 But can now bridge.
10:47:55 Like there.
10:47:57 Yeah, I can't remember.
10:47:59 Russia is doing an economic impact study on the picking up impacts of openings. So me, I can't remember if we decided to wait until those come back to.
10:48:09 Come up with a specific ask about timing of openings, trying to limit.
10:48:14 Recreational openings for recreational.
10:48:17 Craft to a couple of windows a day.
10:48:20 Set it up.
10:48:21 On demand right now there's a desk asking me about that. Why don't they just have a schedule when they open them? Very interesting. Yeah, somebody said, like we followed tide
schedules, you know, like, it's understood that there are limitations in the marine world. It's.
10:48:38 So.
10:48:42 That's a Tpo.
10:48:47 Then we had our board of.
10:48:50 Help meeting.
10:48:53 Lost one of our members. We need a new consumer of public health.
10:49:00 One member. So we will do a recruitment.
10:49:04 We'll be doing outreach.
10:49:06 Process to fill that position. If anyone's interested.
10:49:10 I think we took any other action that were to help.
10:49:13 We talked a lot about.
10:49:16 Yeah.
10:49:17 And rabies.
10:49:19 I had to move a.
10:49:21 A living bad outside our house the other day, well informed on.
10:49:28 I'm so torn because I love how many.
10:49:29 Mosquitoes that you? Oh, yeah, no, I love. We rescued it. It survived. It's encounter with the cat.
10:49:37 Good.
10:49:39 And then I was out on.
10:49:43 Friday,
10:49:47 You know political events last night with the.
10:49:51 Attorney General, Bob Ferguson.
10:49:53 And that's it. Last week.
10:49:57 Mark wanna go over last week.
10:50:01 Monday to 15th are in here with the board.
10:50:04 Senior management meeting on Tuesday and.
10:50:07 The W. Riskful sent. We have appraisers around to apprace a bunch of our.
10:50:13 Facilities.
10:50:16 All the way out to the West End.
10:50:21 17th Budget Committee meeting.
10:50:24 And then Katie mentioned a discussion about the fairgrounds. Lot of work.
10:50:35 From an island.
10:50:35 Josh Peters and Judy Shepard to talk about DC status.
10:50:41 And you'll hear from Dcd. This afternoon regarding their race study.
10:50:46 We'll be seeking guidance on what to do with that information.
10:50:50 Now on Thursday. That's kind of a light day.
10:50:55 Regular meeting with Mikey Forbill from IT.
10:50:59 Agenda review.
10:51:03 Pretty much it.
10:51:05 Great.
10:51:08 You wanna go into this week? Mark? Sure. Yeah. Short one.
10:51:13 Course all day here with you.
10:51:17 Tomorrow, a finance committee meeting.
10:51:22 My regular meeting with Josh Peters and.
10:51:25 We're going to roll into that meeting with Brian tracer.
10:51:30 To talk about the Ima that we have with each Jefferson fire and rescue that.
10:51:35 Is, I think, 10 years old, completely obsolete. And so we need to enter into a new Iaa.
10:51:42 And later in the day we meet with Chief Black.
10:51:45 Couple of his folks on that very topic.
10:51:49 Just to start laying out the issues and.
10:51:51 Potential course of action, or what a new viola.
10:51:56 Might look like and.
10:51:57 That's complicated by
10:51:59 The fact that each service and fire rescue has been high with the city as well. So now we've sort of need to triangulate a little bit, and so we might enter into an interim
Ila, and then negotiate a 3 way with the city and Easton fire.
10:52:15 And then I have a.
10:52:17 Meeting with Sarah Millen.
10:52:20 Rene Tally from Central Services on a personal issue.
10:52:25 Wednesday I head down to.
10:52:28 Bill Creek.
10:52:30 Casinos resort for the 3 day.
10:52:34 Risk Pool Conference.
10:52:35 1st one in 6 months. The last one was canceled because of the water leak.
10:52:41 During the winter months.
10:52:44 In the Tri cities area. So they're always very risk averse at that group.
10:52:48 And they have the they have. They have their conferences at Casinos.
10:52:53 It feels kind of risky.
10:53:05 But they all stay away from the crabs table. There.
10:53:10 So that fixed me through Friday.
10:53:12 Probably not a lot of like skydiving optional side.
10:53:18 Right.
10:53:20 Great. Well, that would not be a place to have a.
10:53:28 Oh, wants to go next this week.
10:53:32 Oh, I can go! Let's see.
10:53:36 With you guys today.
10:53:40 Tomorrow, going out to Thornike to visit with some.
10:53:45 Concerned residents out there that want speed limit reduced.
10:53:49 It's kind of one of my most common requests. So.
10:53:52 See the road and see the petition they put together.
10:53:56 To be doing the Shelter Coalition.
10:53:58 And then South County Harmon meeting tomorrow as well. Then going to
10:54:04 To a new venue that's opening out in District 3 and
10:54:09 Discovery Bay. They're going through their conditional use. Permit.
10:54:14 By the date where the detour was, or it's pretty close to the detour a little farther south, and kinda up away a little bit Castillery, but it's it's nice.
10:54:22 I mean, I've been there.
10:54:24 Prior. They've gotten a whole, a whole.
10:54:28 Outdoor auditorium kind of thing.
10:54:30 Barbecue pit and come from the restaurant industry. So I think, whatever you do there, the food's gonna be good. So I'm looking forward to it.
10:54:39 And then we have a left one meeting here in the courthouse Wednesday morning, and then I'm meeting with Melissa Plimand from the Po's office to talk about AI.
10:54:49 We have our next following week. Our AI think tank meeting that has been kind of
10:54:55 Not happening during the summer.
10:54:56 And then I do have a meeting with the Ed of the Food Bank. I know that you've been kind of bird dog at. But there's some issue with the quilting community center. So as my role
as a holy cap, you know. So the the interim Ed asked me to meet with the
10:55:12 Food, bank.
10:55:14 Intermedi a holy cab. Okay, ask me to meet with Patricia and hers meeting with them out at the
10:55:20 Conference room. More more hands on this or more eyes on this is good. Yeah, no. I'd love to hear what's been going on, though it's like, get ready for it.
10:55:28 Housing Fund Board meeting on Wednesday.
10:55:33 And then
10:55:35 I'm kind of out of the office.
10:55:37 Thursday. I might be able to go to the Jeff meeting before, but I'm curious if Mark can attend the Jeff Com meeting.
10:55:43 Then Friday, I'll be doing
10:55:46 Ltac, you know, every other week, as we kind of do our our 0 based exercise.
10:55:53 And then.
10:55:54 We have a recompute check in on Friday afternoon.
10:55:59 And then I'm meeting with one of the healthier taskforce members to talk about facilitation of our final meeting, which happens the the subsequent week.
10:56:08 And then
10:56:10 Going to Art Fair on Saturday.
10:56:12 Yeah.
10:56:13 My week.
10:56:16 I guess maybe I'll just.
10:56:20 Talk a little bit about last week and talk about this week. But.
10:56:24 On the food bank front.
10:56:26 I've been saying, and.
10:56:28 In the loop with Pinky.
10:56:30 As to what's going on with environmental public health and.
10:56:34 The Tri area Food Bank, and the whole rats issue and.
10:56:38 I think he said. There.
10:56:39 Complying with the requirements and.
10:56:42 I guess Oregon is the company that comes every couple of weeks, and.
10:56:47 Their picky feels like they're saying on top of what environmental public health is asking them to do. So that's.
10:56:53 One update there. I've also been staying in touch with a couple of the volunteers.
10:56:57 Because I feel like my concern is.
10:57:00 Are we still getting food out in the community, you know. Are we meeting the demand.
10:57:05 And what I'm hearing is that.
10:57:08 There's there's definitely food.
10:57:11 It's not as plentiful or diverse as it used to be.
10:57:15 And there are some concerns about that.
10:57:18 So that's kind of the second thread I've been following and trying to check in with some of the volunteers who are working the front lines of getting the food out on.
10:57:26 Every week.
10:57:27 We're the 1st to rest, though, right.
10:57:31 It was the 1st arrest regarding this.
10:57:35 So the posting building issue.
10:57:39 And she was voted off the board. Yeah, at that board meeting that I could go to last week.
10:57:47 Flored off the board. I forget what the.
10:57:52 Yeah, put it off the board. Can we do that?
10:57:56 Yeah.
10:57:57 I'm not suggesting that we do. Well, I just, I know. Yeah, I was just wondering, is that something that the yeah, okay.
10:58:07 I can give you the word wasn't maybe voted off as the.
10:58:12 They're wrong. Well, I'm sure it.
10:58:14 The head of vote. Maybe there's a.
10:58:16 A rationale.
10:58:19 You know, I've been like 2, if even 2 thirds necessary to.
10:58:24 But so yeah, unusual.
10:58:27 Seems it's not government like in the nonprofit world. It off the Board.
10:58:32 And another board member resigned in solidarity with the person. It was voted off the board.
10:58:37 So
10:58:41 And then.
10:58:42 And then it's just there's a massive cardboard for cardboard sign campaign going on.
10:58:48 And I'm getting a lot of questions about the sign and.
10:58:52 Signs and people.
10:58:53 People are worried about the safety.
10:58:57 Safety. What the signs going up on stop signs packed everywhere so.
10:59:06 Anyway.
10:59:08 I've encouraged people, if they feel like one, is particularly hazardous, that they can.
10:59:13 According to the sheriff, or.
10:59:15 Plug it off the post, so.
10:59:19 Anyway, I'm following this on a number of fronts, and I also know that.
10:59:23 The Food Bank reach out to the community Foundation for some supports.
10:59:28 A nonprofit.
10:59:30 Legal and communication supports so.
10:59:34 Those are my.
10:59:35 Random bag of updates.
10:59:40 This week.
10:59:41 Here with you today.
10:59:44 Tomorrow midday. I have the Board of Health Sanitation Subcommittee.
10:59:50 And then, later in the afternoon, the.
10:59:53 Opioid Subcommittee.
10:59:59 Kind of planning our.
11:00:02 Further planning our Board of Health Presentation for next month.
11:00:05 And our next steps.
11:00:07 And then I have a Community Foundation Board meeting in the evening.
11:00:12 On Wednesday we're meeting
11:00:15 With Nicole from transit about joining the Behavioral Health Advisory Committee.
11:00:21 As a community.
11:00:23 Community services Member.
11:00:26 And I think that Anna has a couple of other folks in mind potentially meet with.
11:00:30 Regarding that. I think it's holy directors. One.
11:00:35 She's looking for how to plug into the community.
11:00:39 Nicole's just gonna go to board meetings of other organizations at this point. We she's so good about.
11:00:48 It's okay. I just raised my hand to be a some of us to be on a committee reviewing.
11:00:53 I don't remember what this morning.
11:00:55 I just said, I'll I'm happy to do that. So.
11:00:58 I try and volunteer for her as many times as I ask her to volunteer for something.
11:01:03 It's mutually assured, is what that's.
11:01:08 And then afternoon on Thursday. It's that Thursday I have the library board middle of the day, and then waste in the afternoon.
11:01:18 Friday. I'm missing the Olympic Coast meeting.
11:01:21 Again.
11:01:22 It's a tough meeting to hit. I know.
11:01:26 Oh, yeah, you've got it same time.
11:01:28 To attend the trust land transfer.
11:01:33 Project, review and Ranking committee.
11:01:35 And then I'm out Friday afternoon, and then Saturday afternoon I'm going to.
11:01:42 Northwest watershed Institutes Forest Conservation at the Coyle Community Center.
11:01:49 When your district.
11:01:50 Yeah, you're welcome.
11:01:53 And then these are my longer term announcements. So next week I'm gonna be.
11:01:59 Like.
11:02:01 We don't have a Monday meeting correct. I'm gonna be.
11:02:04 Marginally available.
11:02:06 Next week.
11:02:08 Have a couple of meetings. Have a meeting with Steve, have an encumber lance work group meeting middle of the week, but.
11:02:14 And then I have the park supporting event which I'm gonna attend. But those are my 3 things.
11:02:18 Next week.
11:02:20 I did plan a vacation good for you, and I will not be with you. On August 26th Kate's birthday, Monday meeting.
11:02:29 I was hoping to not be here that day too.
11:02:33 I mean the neither of you are here. I think we're gonna cancel it.
11:02:37 I'm I finally planned a vacation on a boat in a born country. Oh, nice! Like a cruise!
11:02:43 No, it's the best crews like anyone could ever imagine. It's.
11:02:52 So. But yeah, the country we can see from here. I mean, I'm like, I gotta go. I gotta. I haven't.
11:03:01 The song got sick. I haven't done anything, so I'm planning that last week of August.
11:03:08 To be gone.
11:03:10 You know what, Carolyn we could
11:03:12 Maybe we could tentatively like.
11:03:15 You know, for a couple of weeks. Keep it open. If I needed to join by zoom.
11:03:21 I could, you know, for like a morning session or something, but.
11:03:26 My 50th birthday. Yeah, yeah. Not be here right on Monday. Yeah. The Monday morning, after celebrating my 50th birthday, we should all yeah.
11:03:36 Yeah, I'll make a note on agenda. Someone's in it right now, so I can't. But also, if you needed to, you could make a special meeting.
11:03:43 Around the table. What was it? What would be a better time for you? Okay, yeah. That's 1 where you were black.
11:03:49 Black balloons, I think, but
11:03:53 No, it's like he doesn't feel mournful for me. It feels more like.
11:03:57 And and you know my light. I'm basically my life. So it's feels more exciting. It is exciting. Do you have big fun plan.
11:04:07 Yeah, he'll be on day Injection County in a lot of ways life gets richer as he made. Yeah, no, I think so. Yeah.
11:04:16 I look back at that show 30 something, and they seem so old still. I don't feel that old yet, as I did sign up for the.
11:04:30 Wassat County Leaders Conference in November is that this time.
11:04:35 I don't know. Is this again? No, it's Vancouver. Oh, good! And
11:04:42 Do you want to announce your.
11:04:44 Willingness to be the Lse. I'm willing to be the legislative Steering committee member. Alright, I'm willing to let you do that.
11:04:56 I mean I dabble in it, anyway. So.
11:05:00 Yeah, no. And I love.
11:05:03 I love policy work, maybe not as much as Commissioner Dean. See if you love it after Olympia every week in the winter, for long session.
11:05:14 I suppose? Yeah, I since I've been sharing, I've had the yeah, I mean, obviously show up. But I don't think they'll blunt me in his chair in the first.st
11:05:22 Right out the baton.
11:05:27 Yeah.
11:05:30 So we go into the next week, too. I mean, I I didn't look at my 2 weeks ahead, especially if there's like vacations and stuff. Yeah, it's great to talk about.
11:05:39 Speaking of. I will have a short week, because I'm going on vacation. So
11:05:46 Obviously here with you today and tomorrow finance committee.
11:05:51 Meeting in the morning. Then the Jackson Authority Climate Action Plan team meeting.
11:05:59 And pretensa-emowered teens. Coalition meeting.
11:06:06 Then I take off on Wednesday for vacation. I'm gonna Miss Housing Board. So any issue with quorum.
11:06:16 For Greg, Imara.
11:06:18 No, no, kid hasn't fun board this week, so maybe we should just.
11:06:22 Inquire about quorum issues. Yeah, I just sent out the agenda this morning, and I'll I can kind of see who's.
11:06:27 Accepting it now.
11:06:29 I don't know.
11:06:34 I might have one.
11:06:38 Friday, at one o'clock, Lsc. Scheduled a special meeting steering committee. We will be
11:06:45 Considering suing the State of Washington over the they're failing to take juvenile detentions right now. So they pause on that. So checked in with our team James and Philip
and Shannon. I'll support that lawsuit, so we'll be.
11:07:06 Considering that
11:07:09 Trying to decide. If I really need to be there, it will be.
11:07:12 9 o'clock at night. Friday night.
11:07:16 The only night I'm gonna be in Dublin with my daughter, and thinking that.
11:07:24 Yeah, so I'll see if if my Co. Chair can.
11:07:27 Take that meeting.
11:07:30 Yeah.
11:07:31 So otherwise relatively short trip, I'll be back.
11:07:34 Next Wednesday.
11:07:36 Wow!
11:07:39 It really doesn't just delivering my daughter to Ireland. I'll have a few days there, but not, and I will, Rennie, be there a month. Wow, yeah. Fun. Yeah.
11:07:51 Working on them farm. So.
11:07:55 Then I get back. So back on the 31st
11:08:00 Still working on potential for bringing the roady carnival back. Green lights from most of our municipal partners, like down by the roads or city and porch are both potentially
interested. So our next round of discussions is with.
11:08:17 Chief Black.
11:08:18 You know public safety.
11:08:21 Vehicle access concerns from East Jefferson.
11:08:26 And then, if if we can.
11:08:27 You know, it's it's just number of kind of.
11:08:31 Red, light green light. So that's the next one, and then hopefully, might have
11:08:36 An option or 2 to take to the Rodi.
11:08:40 That's the you're actually allowed on the.
11:08:43 Too windy, I think. So cool. Yeah, I think that the the tall rides need some protection.
11:08:52 So that's 1 of the considerations that came up last time. So I that's the 1st time I've really.
11:08:59 Talked about it much here, because I don't want to raise expectations unrealistically. There's there's a number of things to work around, but it's so nice to.
11:09:07 Have
11:09:09 Colleagues who are say, Yeah, let's find a way to make it work. Yeah, that's not the case.
11:09:13 Yeah, cool.
11:09:15 And then.
11:09:18 I'm around until that last week of August. Take the end of the prior week off. But yeah, kind of around that weekend.
11:09:27 That's a.
11:09:29 It's the last weekend in August.
11:09:31 And it's discussed. So see about the Monday meeting.
11:09:34 And I did remember my my committee, I just joined, for transit is.
11:09:40 A group of vast 3 of us, Jta members have members. Be.
11:09:45 On the operational analysis. I volunteered for that, too. Me, too, I'll defer. So okay.
11:09:51 I will see who they? Yeah.
11:09:53 I think they send it to everybody.
11:09:56 Happy to do it, but also still be riding the bus, though I will absolutely probably more than ever. Yeah.
11:10:06 Can I? Just quickly talk about the following week, and there's 1 other report out I should do from last week. But I will be.
11:10:14 Out of town also. On Monday, the 29, th through Wednesday.
11:10:18 And then.
11:10:19 Back for the AI think tank and healthier together on Thursday.
11:10:25 Oh, as well as the ABC. Meeting on Thursday, the first.st
11:10:30 And then a few, just.
11:10:32 Meet light meetings on Friday, the second.
11:10:35 But I'm I'm gone.
11:10:37 From Sunday, the 28, th through the 31st out of 10.
11:10:40 When are you out of town? Are Heidi? Are you.
11:10:43 You're. I know we're off Monday, but you said you're.
11:10:46 Trying to be. I'm just waiting, knowing 2 of us are going to be out of county. Are you saying next week? Yeah.
11:10:51 I'm not gonna be.
11:10:54 Monday I'll be.
11:10:56 Out of county, but otherwise I will be around. I'm just.
11:11:00 Trying to
11:11:02 Deal with different life maintenance. I'll be completely deferred right now. Okay, so can we just find that nothing bad happens.
11:11:27 Through Wednesday. I'll be here first.st Alright!
11:11:31 But this would say, I'll be fully connected.
11:11:34 Yeah, I should be fairly connected.
11:11:36 And then one other report out. I'd said, I think 2 things I was gonna look into last week after public comment. One was the situation with the release of information at the
shelter, which I've got some information which I shared with you already. The other was that.
11:11:48 Note that we all got about the situation down in Brennan and I talked, and Andy Princetin, or under Sheriff Bernsteiner and and andy had a great conversation with Miss Barringer,
and walked through kind of some of the issues. And it's you know.
11:12:03 It's just I mean the the complaints were largely about this.
11:12:06 Person who's out on bail is still free walking around because.
11:12:11 Yes, they're free to walk around. Yeah, so but there's a.
11:12:16 Twice. I think so. There's a lot of frustration, but also, I think, more understanding and and sounds like Andy handled it really. Well.
11:12:23 Right. Good. Thank you.
11:12:28 One thing I forgot to mention, and then we'll go to.
11:12:30 Upcoming.
11:12:32 Weeks. Is just so. You know the.
11:12:36 Day before the.
11:12:37 Trust that transfer.
11:12:40 Meeting and presentation last week that Mallory was doing Point Treaty Council contacted us, asking us to cancel the meeting and
11:12:48 Until we could do our government send that and
11:12:54 I.
11:12:55 Was able to say, Hey, this is informational, only there's no decisions being made.
11:13:02 We're, you know, afraid backed out. We miss.
11:13:04 Being involved in the spending cycle.
11:13:07 Future funding cycles are unknown, and.
11:13:09 So they graciously accepted that, and was able to proceed with mention of our.
11:13:18 Amendments. Yeah. Commitment to and plan to continue doing government with.
11:13:25 The Treaty Council, which is just. Africa towns currently.
11:13:34 Really. Yeah, wait. What's that? There? There is a point, no point right now that we're saying, Yeah, and I I don't want to misspeak, so I'll be careful. But at least one tri
has pulled out of that. Huh! But.
11:13:46 Apparently the interest in.
11:13:48 These properties is specific to the Jamestown. So should we just should we be more directly with, no, okay, no? Sorry. Yeah.
11:14:03 Try to speed up the process, so it doesn't further delay it. So.
11:14:07 Okay.
11:14:09 Okay, sorry, Mark. I just wanted to say that before I forgot, the goal is to have all of the projects ranked by August 9.th
11:14:15 Okay.
11:14:17 So we're just doing all of the presentations. Now we've got, I think, 2 more sessions, and then each of us is individually ranking them.
11:14:26 And you know.
11:14:28 That would be good to do this all before August 9.th It's gonna be here before we know it.
11:14:34 Fast.
11:14:37 Alright! Mark your upcoming.
11:14:39 Week or 2. I know we've discussed it.
11:14:42 Oh, you went. No, you started, didn't you? Just started looking ahead. Sorry I did. Next week
11:14:50 The week after.
11:14:55 So I want to get back August 1st
11:14:58 Teams through central services, negotiations.
11:15:01 And that's of the ones we have in progress. That's the more difficult of the 2, I think. As you know.
11:15:10 And then
11:15:11 Agenda Review in the afternoon.
11:15:16 August second, just a couple.
11:15:18 Recurring staff meetings with.
11:15:21 Apple, and Josh at.
11:15:24 When we go. The week after that.
11:15:32 Well, is there anything else on the horizon that we.
11:15:35 You know nothing significant for me. What's my daughter's family?
11:15:41 Here, 24, 7.
11:15:44 5 days a week.
11:15:46 5 days. Okay?
11:15:49 Alright. Anything else I wanna try to do before lunch.
11:15:54 Nope.
11:15:56 So are we.
11:15:58 In the past for these county some of us have been in in this room. Is there a plan that some of us can be in this room, or.
11:16:05 Yeah, we we are still in public session just like this. But we'll set up for others who might join in person. I'm gonna eat my lunch before I come down.
11:16:17 Yeah. Yep.
11:16:18 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
11:16:21 More.
11:16:22 Alright!
11:16:24 Let's recess until 12 o'clock, when we have our kind of coordination.
11:16:29 Meeting. Sounds good.
12:01:24 CO. 2 is very low, though so.
12:01:41 It sounded 48 per month.
12:01:44 Alright. I'm gonna call the Bocc into session and welcome our directors and fellow elected officials. Thanks everyone for being here. It looks like, we only have one. Sec.
12:01:57 Yeah, I'm trying to bring our Melissa. Laura, that's in the Attendee list. Wants to join us. Please raise your hand. It will bring you over if you are county employees.
12:02:09 So we have a fairly loose agenda, I think largely, we wanna
12:02:15 Do kind of a a.
12:02:17 Round Table. So we have 4 items that our agenda here legislative. I thought we could move to the roundtable just if there are particular things that folks are thinking about
for the next legislative session.
12:02:28 So I think maybe we'll start with strategic plan update and then move to roundtable. Unless anyone has anything else. They.
12:02:35 Wanna cover that they don't see on the agenda today. So in terms of the strategic plan, I don't have a ton to report. I I can report, however, the last week the board approved.
12:02:46 A contract amendment with Barry done to help us with.
12:02:49 Implementation of the Strategic Plan.
12:02:53 And what that involves is they'll be getting with all the individuals from the departments that have objectives.
12:02:59 In the plan.
12:03:00 To ensure the tracking systems are in place. And they're also gonna develop a reporting tool that we can put on the website so that our citizens know that our residents excuse
me. Know, what progress is is being made on the strategic plan. So thank you, Commissioners, for approving that.
12:03:19 I think that help is vital to the success of the program.
12:03:24 Yeah, it went through. I mean, when developing it. We had a.
12:03:27 Number of.
12:03:27 We were all involved, and there are a number of very specific.
12:03:31 Metrics to be tracking, so it'll be.
12:03:34 Wouldn't be bad to take a look at.
12:03:36 Your sections, and.
12:03:37 Get ready for a request to track things, cause.
12:03:41 I know it's gonna be coming from Barry long term initiatives to sort of get moved aside.
12:03:48 Crocodiles that are fighting at your ankles right now start biting.
12:03:53 And so you focus on those near term things and sometimes forget the longer term.
12:03:58 And so having them on board.
12:04:00 Help us. Avoid that.
12:04:02 One item. I'd like to.
12:04:05 Like from my office, we're gonna address working with DC, the public benefit rating system, which is basically the open space app.
12:04:13 And one thing I'd like to add to that which might be a lot easier to do is that to move all the open space timber.
12:04:22 Parcels over to designate forest land, and most of the counties have done this already. They did it back.
12:04:30 5, 6 years ago. But DC. Was going through a transition, and we actually drafted up a resolution. Do that.
12:04:38 And then never got further than that, because of the changes and.
12:04:42 You know, it's a simple thing, it it basically allows consolidation of how you hammer, handle.
12:04:50 Forest management plans and timber and people getting timber, reduction rates.
12:04:55 And the only difference between the open space and designate that used to be that this was for 5 acres and less. They're under 5 acres. It would be an open space. If your parcel
was bigger than 5 acres, you'd be designate 4.
12:05:09 Alright! 20.
12:05:14 But anyway, what we would do the law change to where any 5 parcels could be infinity forest land. And the reason it changed was for the specific purpose.
12:05:24 I've been able to consolidate that. So you didn't have 2 programs that did virtually.
12:05:30 And a lot of counties jumped right on it and consolidated for us. So we'd add that to the.
12:05:37 That objective which.
12:05:39 Is to address the open space, and how we kind of.
12:05:43 In the Strategic Plan.
12:05:46 And could that be done just by resolution, or would it go to the Count.
12:05:49 When you say designated person, is that a tax status or yeah, land use designation on the landing.
12:05:57 Accent wouldn't, doesn't really involve. Still a board 33, and Rcw. And 8, 4, 34.
12:06:04 Or forest land. I mean, it's still the open space ag and forth, and our timberland and timberland would be moved into forest land. So.
12:06:12 You would wind up, having to maintain 2 of those categories, you would still maintain the open.
12:06:19 So just to be clear, our land use map does not reflect the tax status. There could be a relationship. But there isn't a direct relationship. So we have.
12:06:29 Designated forest, land, commercial forest.
12:06:32 In rural forest.
12:06:32 When do I need it for an 80 acres for commercials? One do I need 40 acres for World Forest? So there could be? Of course, I bet you there's a lot of overlap for those. But then
you got you're talking about your smaller parcels. It's a whole different story. Originally when they zone.
12:06:46 The they're the one for 21. For 40 they actually did use who was in designate forest land. So it was used as a distinction back. Then, when they did the original zoning, and
what Wanda and the one for.
12:07:00 But since then I think it hasn't really matter.
12:07:05 Once it got zoned that way since then. So the fact that we would add smaller parcels into this will change that now.
12:07:13 This is the program. And when you comment on there.
12:07:16 Applying for the open space.
12:07:19 Yeah, almost all new applications go through us. Because if there's no sizing it anymore, so they almost all go through us. For designated forest.
12:07:31 So what we have the legacy parcels that were put in.
12:07:34 Open space tamper because of that size limitation back when that we've never.
12:07:40 Moved over. So we have one program, 2.
12:07:44 I think other counties did do it by just resolution.
12:07:50 But but there's a little more work for that, I mean, for for the Commission is resolution for us is we have to identify all those parcels identify, and then and then move them
over and give them a redesignate. So there's some administrative work to do that within the strategic plan time period in the next 4 years. Yeah.
12:08:11 Anything else on strategic plan.
12:08:19 Little bit well unrelated to strategic plan. But
12:08:23 I don't know. I'm still curious if we wanna try to.
12:08:29 Merge these somehow, but
12:08:31 You know the the Dcd. And public health did.
12:08:36 Internal climate summit,
12:08:38 Month or 2 ago I was not able to attend, and some of you and.
12:08:45 You know what came out of that is just ongoing recognition that there's a desire to do planning around climate change and
12:08:54 So Josh and Apple and I believe our tasked with meeting to kind of talk about next steps to carry that work forward.
12:09:02 And as we've talked about in this group before, we are still remiss in getting our climate action goals to our Climate Action Committee, so.
12:09:11 Part of hopefully, one of the outcomes from our meeting will also be to kind of figure out what the.
12:09:15 Next steps are for that, and.
12:09:17 Institutionalize the how we think about climate, so that it's not a Commissioner coming and saying I need something more from you and your staff, you know many of you understandably
saying.
12:09:29 Really, it's a pain. So
12:09:34 Just more to come on. Climate, too.
12:09:36 Coming months, and hopefully a.
12:09:40 Institutionalizing it somehow, like we are the strategic plan.
12:09:42 And I also doubt dovetail nicely with the climate element in the comp plan that we have to.
12:09:49 Shuffle into the compound. This time.
12:09:51 Right.
12:09:52 Yes.
12:09:56 Alright, so do roundtable.
12:10:00 And.
12:10:02 We do have on our list here legislative updates, because we are starting to.
12:10:07 Think about number of different.
12:10:11 Legislative front, so we will.
12:10:13 Likely be adopting some legislative as a board.
12:10:18 We participate in the North Olympic Alliance, shared with Column county.
12:10:22 Association of counties has their priorities, and it was just. Many of your associations do would be helpful if we had some understanding of.
12:10:30 Any priorities that you have.
12:10:33 And if they are.
12:10:34 Very
12:10:37 Strong priorities, and you feel like they really would benefit from the support of a larger group like.
12:10:43 North Olympic Legislative Alliance or Association of Counties. They've largely decided on their priorities, but there's some live room there. It'd be good good to know.
12:10:50 You know, stuff that's like a small tweak and one our cw is.
12:10:55 Probably doesn't need to rise to the top. Your associations will probably.
12:10:59 Handle those. Well, so, but happy to hear anything that is of burning interest any department, and any legislative priorities you have.
12:11:08 Anyone want to jump in.
12:11:09 I guess I'd love to hear what yours are so far, whether the things we have really, yeah, okay.
12:11:19 So.
12:11:20 We could talk about the.
12:11:21 We have some.
12:11:24 Well, couple of capital asks, and that's partly that we've made to
12:11:28 I remember the Congress for appropriations. One of.
12:11:33 We think it's gonna be at least partially funded.
12:11:37 Gap in funding for the emergency that really kept gonna be building out at Mill Road.
12:11:44 That one.
12:11:46 We have optimism, but it will get funded. But here, in mixed messages.
12:11:51 We also submitted one with the city of Townsend for pretty massive redesign of the Mill road and highway.
12:11:59 19 intersection was that was gonna put a mini roundabout there and city you're like, please know. Let's think a little more strategically. So public works. And the city came
up with that.
12:12:15 Very initial dramatic redesign of that intersection.
12:12:20 I'm not sure where exactly that will go, but there's a lot of money available right now. So.
12:12:26 Still gonna be working on that
12:12:31 What else have we talked about? We have a habitat. Yeah, we've not officially adopted that. But we know that they have a funding need that we might support through a legislative
and request.
12:12:47 A minor change to a housing.
12:12:49 Bill
12:12:51 Want to speak to that, Greg.
12:12:53 Ye? Yeah, it's just. It's 1 Rcw. That allowed San Juan County to create to use. I think it was. Memory serves right for developing affordable housing and supporting nonprofits
to develop affordable housing.
12:13:08 But it was just kind of time limited. You had to have a
12:13:12 A program going by 2,003. So just trying to open up that program, it's by, it would be by a vote of the people to enact any additional wheat.
12:13:21 But it would so allow any real estate transaction to some money to go into a fund to.
12:13:28 To be used for it.
12:13:29 Developing, affordable housing.
12:13:31 Do you think you've been coordinating with the city on that cause?
12:13:35 The local read.
12:13:35 Would be its own rate in either.
12:13:39 County or city, right? I think it's it's for before that point at the display, just like, get the ability to do it. And then I think it would make more sense to coordinate.
You know. I mean there, there's projects, you know, whether it's Evan's vista or Mason Street. I mean there's projects that are developing and finding more leverage that we can pull
to help.
12:13:56 You know, built some of that multi housing be worthwhile.
12:14:00 Yeah, so it's really just striking one sentence in an Rcw. That says that you have to develop a land bank by
12:14:08 So yeah, it's just strange intent. And then another relatively minor issue is making some changes to the ferry structure that Mr. Tears and Mr. Hunter expressed interest in
clarifying some language around. Who's kind of responsible? Is that? Come on a committee of of the county? Or is that a committee of the State? And it's been.
12:14:32 Ag. Use office clarify this committee of the county, which means we need to
12:14:38 Just do some clarification of the Rcw. Which is pretty poorly written so, and what would.
12:14:46 No one's not created theirs yet.
12:14:51 I could. You know the 7 priorities of the Association of Counties has chosen and these are still being.
12:14:59 Refined one is new county revenue. So, looking at things like removing the one cap.
12:15:05 Property tax increase funding for individual defense, ongoing funding for rural county corners. We will be required to have a separate prosecuting attorney and corner rules.
12:15:17 I can't remember exactly when that comes into effect.
12:15:21 One is
12:15:22 Requiring Fsec to comply with state and local development. That's the Federal energy permitting and.
12:15:31 The governor has the ability to overrule, has the ability to overrule local land use for sighting of energy projects. And you know, that's really coming to play and
12:15:40 Eastern Washington, where.
12:15:42 Renewable energy projects are being proposed. Title energy gets big over here, too, and it's really starting to develop.
12:15:48 Our offshore wind. It's gonna be similar issue here eventually.
12:15:53 Creating accountability in the behavioral health of services by improving contractual standards for reprocment.
12:16:02 So that is a requirement to be an Mco. To get licenses and Mcco in the State. There's not a lot of accountability built into that, especially for rural counties. So the Mcs
are serving very few people, so they want to put an actual.
12:16:18 Metrics for.
12:16:20 Services provided a number of people serve.
12:16:22 Addressing county access and affordability. There's a number of things that will fall under that.
12:16:28 It would take me a while to dig into those, but just.
12:16:30 It's kind of a placeholder for various housing policies and then funding and maintenance of county transportation system. So that's really just more more funding in the transportation
budget for.
12:16:44 Local roads. Not.
12:16:47 Construction so much, but.
12:16:50 Maintenance and preservation. Was the Housing access piece funding, or was it's a number of policy.
12:16:57 Issues like lands.
12:17:00 Don't think.
12:17:02 Limits might be included. We'll see. They're still feeling that
12:17:08 Allowing double. Edu's potentially
12:17:14 I'd have to look into it. There's a number of proposals that the Association of County Staff is now doing with these ability and assessing
12:17:23 Josh, maybe you you planners probably provide some input to Josh on development of those.
12:17:29 Too so.
12:17:30 Those will continue to be refined, that.
12:17:34 Association Counties has never before had such an early.
12:17:37 Legislative process so trying to develop them and have them ready for approval at the November.
12:17:44 Needing to be well in advance of session. Starting in January.
12:17:49 So that helps sure.
12:17:54 So, Brandon, we we're gonna do round table. And let's just ask me if folks have legislative priorities either of their own or from their associations that would rise to the
level of potentially of interest, to the whole county, to feel free to include that in here dates.
12:18:11 Alright! Who's interested in starting.
12:18:14 Well, you said before you talked about yours, you wanted to know so we had our
12:18:24 Treasurer's Legislative Midsummer Conference couple weeks ago, and.
12:18:30 They did a lot of proposals and things that have carried over year to year, I would say the nexus of one of the treasurers.
12:18:39 Is what they bundled as a cost. Recovery proposal.
12:18:43 And.
12:18:46 The way that we were able to have the treasurers.
12:18:52 Sign on, and be in favor of it, to bring it to.
12:18:55 Waco Association of County Officials.
12:18:58 To propose, Waco, we'll put it as a priority which that.
12:19:03 Conferences.
12:19:04 The beginning of October, so.
12:19:07 The whole affiliate. You know the 7 affiliates need to approve it as a priority for Waco to take it on.
12:19:14 But this was really something that stem from some of the larger counties.
12:19:20 What they would like to do is.
12:19:24 Essentially charge districts.
12:19:28 County, State.
12:19:31 Billing and collection do R charges up to 2%, and we don't charge anything.
12:19:38 And.
12:19:40 It's a pretty complicated. I would anticipate that this is something that you'll hear a lot about at
12:19:47 Because one of their premises is that.
12:19:52 This could help.
12:19:54 We'll leave some of the.
12:19:58 The limitation of the 1% property tax increase.
12:20:03 But it it does.
12:20:07 So for me to say I wasn't really in favor of it, because I feel like it.
12:20:11 Say money coming in and out, but.
12:20:14 It's not. We do divert things to different uses. And so.
12:20:18 I anticipate the assessors will.
12:20:22 They didn't have an issue a couple years ago when it brought up. But you know, it's different issue now about who's doing work and levying versus collection.
12:20:30 But the idea is that.
12:20:33 This is a pretty complicated one, but the idea is that.
12:20:37 There would be an exemption on the 1st 50,000 of a district that's levying, and then perhaps, they could roll it in. It requires constitutional change on and on, but.
12:20:49 It's been in the works for a couple of years now, and and I think this year it'll be one that they propose. I.
12:20:59 Abstain from the vote at the treasurer, but I said I would not sabotage it, so please don't take my comments to me.
12:21:07 I don't think it's.
12:21:09 Something that maybe needs to happen eventually. But it would be a tool for.
12:21:16 Basically treasurer's revenue. But
12:21:19 It would be something that they're proposing would not be.
12:21:22 Overseen by the.
12:21:26 Commissioners in terms of budget. You know there's certain funds that.
12:21:29 You approve as part of the budget, but you're not.
12:21:33 Approving whether it can be spent because it's a specific purpose. I realize this is a very high level, just overview. But.
12:21:41 Stay tuned, that one will be coming forward.
12:21:45 One of them that I proposed a couple of years ago that.
12:21:48 Is not going to be going forward as a treasurer's or as a Waco.
12:21:54 Proposed to be Waco.
12:21:56 Priority. But we do have representative.
12:21:59 Who is a chief deputy treasurer in
12:22:05 Spokane County.
12:22:07 He's agreed to champion this on behalf of.
12:22:10 The small to mid size counties for investment fees. This is a very small thing. It's basically when the treasurer is doing all the investments for all the districts and everything.
12:22:21 We have a cap of. So it's 5 or $50 per transaction. So.
12:22:28 We're now making 50 times the interest we were making a few years ago, and.
12:22:36 There's a lot of money flowing on investments and a lot of work associated. And I did all the research of when this came in.
12:22:43 And I think I I don't have the number in front of me, but it was like.
12:22:49 1969 was the last time it was touched and the Max was $50. So it's made 5% or $50. And really, the $50 is kind of a little.
12:23:01 It's a little offensive now, given how much it takes, but it would be something trying to.
12:23:09 You know, just.
12:23:10 Support the work of program, and it's in the general fund for us. Some people, you know, do it a little differently, but that's 1 that I.
12:23:20 I really think is a pretty easy one that could be done, and.
12:23:24 Representative said he would would do that one, and then there's a few other ones I don't think are as.
12:23:31 Big for you.
12:23:33 You know the assessors have one, but oh, it.
12:23:37 Him speak to it if he wants.
12:23:42 But then just round table. Yeah, I guess the only thing I'll say on that. Well, so there was a re proposal a couple of years ago. The treasures wanted to increase the rate tech
fee.
12:23:56 Which it's $5.
12:23:58 We get 2, 50, and then we send 2 50 to the State, and the way it's distributed is.
12:24:05 Half of what the State collects from us.
12:24:10 Gets distributed to each of the 39 counties, equally.
12:24:13 And then the other half of that 2 50. They get.
12:24:17 Is distributed, based on population.
12:24:20 So we end up with a little bit more than you know we. So I think last.
12:24:25 Month. It was like we need. Let's just say 400.
12:24:29 And then we got 771 back. But that's 1 where, a couple of years ago, the treasurer proposed.
12:24:38 Making it $10 and then work between the treasure and assessor. Affiliate said ultimately the the decision was to propose a $20 fee where it's distributed 65.
12:24:54 35, and currently I oversee the tech fee.
12:24:59 Recheck.
12:25:02 Budget Fund.
12:25:03 And the proposal would be to split that out, so that the assessor has their own.
12:25:08 Greek, tech.
12:25:10 Budget.
12:25:11 And because I don't really think it's appropriate for me to oversee the budget and funding of.
12:25:17 Someone else's money. That's not.
12:25:20 Within my realm. So anyway, that's going forward. I don't know.
12:25:25 You know it still has to go to wait, though, to approve it, or whatever. Then I'm kind of just joke between us is that that the current bill gives them money and said, You guys
figure it out between the assessor and treasure, and you know, county administrator, figure it out. And so that's what we do. Well, for some assessors it's a very tense thing relationship
with the treasurer.
12:25:49 Where they want the legislature to figure it out for them, because they said, we can't work it out, and so they want to put it into statute that it's a 65 35 split.
12:26:12 They get less the proportion for the half that comes it will be if you.
12:26:18 Triple it for us and the treasurer, and then add a new source for the assessor. You can imagine allegedly, legislators fail, is now there, will. You're you're asking, not just
for more money, but define what the treasure gets, what the assessments, because we don't know. We can't work it out between us in our own counties. We fight over it, and you're asking
them to do it for us. Well, they're a little put off by that. It's like, you know. Why not? Just get the money and then figure it out.
12:26:43 I mean, you go to the Budget Committee. You could have a number of ways that you can sort that out in your county, how you're gonna divide it up. You don't need the legislature
to divide it up for you.
12:26:52 I. I have a philosophical opposition to the legislators deciding how it should go locally. But I'm just over this whole issue. So basically, we have a memorandum locally that
we will split it 50, and Jeff and I both came into office. We.
12:27:12 Wrote it, signed it, and we don't have a problem. Some counties are doing 80, 20 for the assessor, some the treasurer does it all, and.
12:27:22 You know, I would say the majority of counties are fine with it. It's just a few counties that are very vocal, and it's just retired.
12:27:31 I'm tired of even talking about it. It's be dealing with this as a necesser. It's usually the assessors that are raising fuss.
12:27:42 Anyway.
12:27:43 There's a drama. I will not repeat that story again. Do you have other roundtable items? You wanna.
12:27:50 Involves other departments. But you know we're working on the audit right now. So Judy and Noemi took the lead on the annual report.
12:28:04 Kudos to annoy me for her work on leading that charge.
12:28:08 This was the most streamlined, and pain free.
12:28:14 Year yet we've gone to Munis, and things are really working for us. And so there's always room and to improve, and things we want to do. But.
12:28:25 Annoy me, and I both went on vacation right after the annual report was due, and every other year we've been to do things. So that was exciting. And then.
12:28:36 I do. I have a group of people working on an eft policy. That is something we need to.
12:28:44 Have done, and.
12:28:46 I've got a bunch of research, but we'll see whether it gets to mission or approval or not before the end of the audit. But.
12:28:55 We will keep making progress and.
12:28:56 So that's 1 thing. And then just
12:28:59 Credit cards. Elon
12:29:03 This, next.
12:29:05 Round.
12:29:06 Because of the 5th Monday. There's it's gonna be late in the month, for when actually get cut.
12:29:15 So.
12:29:17 Cause. It'll be the 12th before the checks get first.st There, that's the second meeting, and the 1st one they have payroll.
12:29:24 So anyway, they will send the payments priority. But.
12:29:28 So far, people doing their credit card.
12:29:34 When they have the statement and providing that with it is really helping a lot. And Tamara and the auditor's office is doing fantastic job. Working with me on that one. And
so.
12:29:48 Just I know this feels like.
12:29:51 Silly admin stuff, but it is amazing how much those things
12:29:55 Take up time and challenges and our internal controls matter. I don't know if you saw the 900,000.
12:30:04 Fraud.
12:30:06 We've gone through our credit card stuff and what we're doing right now. We do have an old policy, but we are really looking at things, and so I don't think we're at risk the
way that was our county.
12:30:18 It was a district. It was a
12:30:23 I don't know. Pierce had to look at. Oh, it was like a pierce. It was a.
12:30:31 I don't wanna say because I'll get a wrong. So it wasn't a county or city, but it was a governmental organization.
12:30:40 Kind of like prtpo, or something that's more of a.
12:30:44 Provide services for multiple counties.
12:30:47 Hmm.
12:30:47 So, yeah, anyway, I read all the front and findings each time.
12:30:53 We hopefully are at risk in those ways.
12:30:56 Sorry. I feel like one went way, too.
12:31:02 Who wants to go next.
12:31:02 I could just give a little update on the drainage district, cause it does involve a number of us.
12:31:08 The gym and come drainage district.
12:31:10 I keep getting letters from Brenda, saying we should dissolve the drainage district.
12:31:17 1970, 1974, I was free. Yeah.
12:31:26 I'm working with the civil deputies on getting an opinion on whether there is even a legal pathway to.
12:31:34 Making it legal. There's a lot of interest actually, right now, we've been doing some facilitated.
12:31:41 Community meetings and down in the drainage district area.
12:31:45 In seeing if it's a tool that can be used to improve drainage, especially in the West Fork of the creek.
12:31:53 But we don't even know if there's a legal pathway to using it. So that's what we're working on with Melissa right now.
12:31:59 I'm figuring that out. We sent her a list of questions from our committees work.
12:32:04 And so it'll have implications.
12:32:06 With auditor, assessor, legal commissioners.
12:32:11 Potentially.
12:32:12 So I will keep giving you updates. But we are right now waiting for legal opinion.
12:32:17 And we are. Our next step is we are gonna send a survey out to the landowners and the drainage district.
12:32:24 Asking if they're.
12:32:27 A number of questions that they know about the drain. You know they have drainage issues on their property, some geographic questions, but.
12:32:34 Also just trying to understand if there's interest from within the landowner community.
12:32:39 And seeing help with the drainage. And there's issues largely around the short farm area.
12:32:48 Of the West Fork, but.
12:32:50 There are other issues as well on the East Fork and.
12:32:53 Farther downstream, so.
12:32:55 There's quite a bit of interest in seeing if it can be a tool. And there's other options. It could be watershed.
12:33:01 There are other kinds of districts that we could deploy.
12:33:05 Sunset. This one spool up another one, but.
12:33:09 Anyway.
12:33:10 Kind of in the middle of this process, not at the beginning, and clearly not at the end.
12:33:19 Okay.
12:33:21 I can add, since we're talking about drainage districts, we've been working on drainage district with with John Fleming. We're looking on the mechanics of that.
12:33:29 And
12:33:30 And.
12:33:32 Write down document, how all that will work in the future, you know, every 4 years you have to redo the ordinance and
12:33:41 And again, it's hard because you, you know, I know how things are working.
12:33:46 Right. Well, what if I'm not here 4 years from now?
12:33:48 And then some of these are fairly complicated. Jeff. The county maintains 7 special assessments.
12:33:55 And they're all quite different.
12:33:58 And and you have to look at all the criteria for why, they're benefit.
12:34:02 And and each parcel has to be measured against that. It can change.
12:34:07 To give you an example, is the fire protection, which is a Dnr assessment. Landlord city.
12:34:14 And fire protection. Dnr. Doesn't pay on it.
12:34:16 So when the county just bought 3 pieces of parcel at the north end, the 2 North Jacob Miller and the Elmira.
12:34:23 We didn't add the assessment. So in theory, if they burned, Dnr. Has an obligation to come and fight the fire.
12:34:31 Now, that's not how works. They would fight it, and then, you know, wag their finger at you afterwards.
12:34:37 But but we try to keep that straight and truthfully. It's Dns.
12:34:43 Obligation to make sure the right parcels are in, and the fire patrols the hardest one, because it's done by map, and you do it by tree cover.
12:34:51 Potential trigger. So if something gets cut, but if the trees are growing back it stays in. But as things develop in plats, and that you you look at a new house is built. Did
they clear the whole lot? Is there still trees? So it gets to be? And a discussion between Dnr. And our office on whether a parcel should be added and or not, particularly with bladder
properties and that hasn't been happening.
12:35:16 Is that we basically been building out some of these areas, and they've been staying in fire patrol, not pulled.
12:35:21 And then in other areas, you know, they, it needs to be added in because the trees have come up and Dnr wants to manage. So that's why we have to take a better look at how we
do that one.
12:35:47 We manage the system. So we say this parcel should pay it this parcel not how many acres should pay it, so you could have a 40 acre parcel. 5 is cleared.
12:35:56 35 isn't so. 35 acres goes in. So it's it's like it's an it's constantly changing. And Dnr. Was being pretty, you know, proactive on it, but has not been the last few years.
They just suddenly stopped hearing from them. So they they really are counting on us doing it.
12:36:14 So that one we're talking about better ways that we could do it in our office and not have to rely on. We just put it on our map layers, you know. Kevin put it on the map layer.
So it's there. We'll start having some people auditing it through it to see what's missing. What isn't. You know what our opinion is? What should be in.
12:36:33 And yeah, and that's new assessments. And then the drainage is 3.
12:36:38 And then we also have noxious weed. We have conservation, we have clean water, we have septic, you know, who's got a not so all of those.
12:36:49 Change, constantly.
12:36:50 And so we've been doing the best we can at maintaining those and troubleshooting them. But it is time consuming. And you're you're gonna miss on it there. None of them are that
big of an assessment that anybody's really we haven't had any appeals on them.
12:37:06 But but it's still. We like to keep it as.
12:37:09 That's correct as possible.
12:37:11 And so so we're spending a lot of time on that.
12:37:15 To just say yes.
12:37:16 So.
12:37:18 They put them in the system treasurer's office for them, and then can be right to check monthly. And we do get people asking quite a bit. We've got a levy.
12:37:33 Explanation. And then we say.
12:37:35 Who to talk to on these.
12:37:38 And some are, some are have exemption, some public exam, but not private. Some of them. The tribes are, but not public, you know. Some like septic, every nobody's exempted.
12:37:52 At least that was Linda Atkins. You got a septic. You got a ball toilet. We're gonna get you. So so there's that. So, yeah, and and so with all that criteria, it does take a
bit to make sure you got it right.
12:38:07 Now couple of legislative. We got 20Â min and a number of people so.
12:38:18 There's a limit of 70,000. You get an exemption off your house. I like to see it bumped up to 140. It's always been 70,000 and values at double the triple since they started
this thing. So that needs to be gone up.
12:38:31 And from the.
12:38:33 The other things. They're looking at a homeowner's exemption.
12:38:36 Or where every homeowner would get $300,000 worth of value off their house for the State. Levy.
12:38:43 That's a King County pushing this bill. And and in other words, the State levy is about 30% of your.
12:38:51 Taxes, property, taxes.
12:38:53 And this would have only applied to that 30.
12:38:57 And the nice thing about the State levy is, it's statewide, right? So if if you knock it off, what it's gonna do is shift it to business, but it's gonna shift it mainly by corridor.
12:39:07 So that those are what they and then our, our, the one we wanted for us, where we wanted to basically get an aerial.
12:39:15 Funded for statewide. That's pretty much dead. It's too expensive.
12:39:19 The legislature that we're gonna go for. This is privacy issues with that. So we're back to trying to do an account by county basis.
12:39:26 So I guess that's personal property exemption, maybe. Why, they're not.
12:39:32 It doesn't affect us a great deal one way or the other.
12:39:36 Like again. Are you aware of any talk about.
12:39:39 Changing the tax system so that.
12:39:42 People, that.
12:39:43 Have us their primary residence one way, but then a second home is taxed another way.
12:39:48 Mean like an Edu. No, I mean more like a vacation home, or someone who has a empty house. It would be very complicated to do that.
12:39:57 There is the senior citizen exemption to add change, to allow Edu to be in the exempt property, and we're having a lot of fussing with door, and how we're actually gonna do
that.
12:40:08 Because Dors come back. So we have to know who's living in the agu. How many people are living ad are they related? And I'm going. Look if you either want to give them. I don't
wanna ask them what they're refugees living in now, do I want to say no, you can't have it. No. So I'm going. Why are you? Why are they focusing on that? So yeah, so there is an exemption.
12:40:32 Other than that, you know.
12:40:33 Although it would be interesting that 300,000.
12:40:37 For that like. Could that just be applied to a primary.
12:40:43 It does require constitution well to to text property differently. But, like, could that be a workaround like.
12:40:54 Brandon, you're constitutional. We have experts here.
12:41:19 I'm making a list for what I have to talk.
12:41:26 Well, and just so, you know, Jeff, this will probably come up in
12:41:30 Our discussion this afternoon, working on the sewer ordinance.
12:41:34 One of the complications we're looking at might include actually a number of offices. Here is
12:41:41 Now.
12:41:42 Considering whether
12:41:44 We would require people to hook up to the sewer at a time of sale.
12:41:49 And so just thinking, how? How would we track that within the service area or urban growth? Area in in relation to proximity of existing lines? So.
12:41:59 This will be a complex one, and.
12:42:02 Prior to sale of it closing, or so many games everywhere within. Yeah, you know, trying to decide. Like, who should that burden be on the seller or on the buyer. And how does
that affect assess value, you know, like, at what point do you assess the value of.
12:42:17 Being close to the sewer, or I mean, I know that just is market driven, but it's
12:42:23 We've been kind of getting into the weeds on this stuff. Question, too. It's interesting because they were talking about the ability to extend.
12:42:32 Extend the sewer to people who are.
12:42:34 Close.
12:42:35 You know already.
12:42:37 Talking about that.
12:42:38 And and, by the way, the clean water assessment is one of those 7 assessments.
12:42:42 It exempts out the city for towns and city and Port Ludlow City doesn't exempt out the port. Have locks, you know. So that's what happened. Logically, it would be the same right?
Well, but only for people who are.
12:43:01 Housekeeping, but still needs. Does that belong in the ordinance? Probably not in the ordinance.
12:43:08 District.
12:43:08 Because I mean, if you're not on sewer, and you're in the city, you do pay it.
12:43:15 Change.
12:43:17 I think I just need to add to the clean water they just need to add in.
12:43:25 Alright! Who's.
12:43:28 Who's up next.
12:43:29 Philip, you've got a list, you ready?
12:43:30 I'm ready.
12:43:32 Thanks.
12:43:32 Okay. Want to put a timer on me.
12:43:36 3Â min.
12:43:35 See how. See how I do
12:43:37 So.
12:43:39 I have limited interaction with the criminal side, but this is what I know. Things seem to be going well. On the criminal side we have a new.
12:43:48 Criminal deputy, coming in August.
12:43:51 A new law school graduate. She's studying for the bar.
12:43:55 And
12:43:57 We'll be taking the bar this summer.
12:44:01 And she was the best of the candidates that we interviewed.
12:44:05 For that.
12:44:06 EPA positions. So it's.
12:44:08 It's brand new.
12:44:09 Tpa. One position.
12:44:10 On the civil side.
12:44:13 The biggest news is.
12:44:14 Thank you, Commissioners, for authorizing the 3.rd
12:44:17 Civil therapy that will be of great hope to our department or our division.
12:44:23 And I'm happy to report we have one applicant as of today.
12:44:27 And and.
12:44:29 We're very excited about this applicant. I don't know if I can say who it is, so I'm not.
12:44:34 Big projects going on. We're working on the S and P update.
12:44:40 Right now, I'm spending average about.
12:44:42 5 or 6Â HA day on that.
12:44:44 To try to get over the line by the deadline.
12:44:48 Been working on the sewer ordinance.
12:44:54 Not so much lately, because it's been. It's been put to you, but also but on related stuff that's.
12:44:59 Yeah.
12:45:01 The coming stuff in title 18.
12:45:03 I've been. I'm starting to really work on that.
12:45:07 That's part of the comp plan cycle.
12:45:10 Been handling a bunch of litigation some longstanding.
12:45:15 Stuff that.
12:45:16 The
12:45:19 The one Hr. Big Hr case that involves our department directly is.
12:45:25 Kind of on hold right now, because we have a trial date in January. Long story. There. I won't talk about it, but we'll have to start picking up on that again, and.
12:45:34 And about August or so.
12:45:36 Good news. The Kpta case has been dismissed.
12:45:42 I think that's really good for the county, for many reasons, not least of which is, it's an emergency.
12:45:48 Tower for us during during, you know, times of emergencies.
12:45:54 They just quit.
12:45:55 That's the short story. Didn't have much of a case, and they had a good lawyer who recognized that.
12:46:01 And then the.
12:46:03 The other loop of case that relates to Cape George and other.
12:46:09 Blas is on appeal.
12:46:11 We're waiting for the transcript on that. Then the briefing will begin.
12:46:17 A report on Melissa. Who's our our second civil deputy she's doing. I think she's doing really well.
12:46:25 You know I am spinning.
12:46:27 Several hours a week.
12:46:29 Focused training with her. But she's she's got the litigation skills to do all the regular litigation stuff.
12:46:36 That we do without.
12:46:38 With so little supervision. It's really great talk about Erpos protection orders.
12:46:45 And then she worked with Philir to finalize the burn regulations, and I think they did an out outstanding job on that.
12:46:52 So very happy with her, and she continues to learn.
12:46:56 Been tagging along to a lot of meetings with me.
12:47:00 Various departments kind of learning the personalities, and she says that's probably the biggest eye opener.
12:47:05 That she's had, and then.
12:47:08 We've been.
12:47:08 Working on code compliance, our code compliance team.
12:47:13 It's really good right now. I mean, they're really.
12:47:17 Just across the board. I'm not talking about our department, but.
12:47:20 But I'm talking about.
12:47:22 The capability.
12:47:24 Of Becca Mauer and Nikki Atkins.
12:47:27 They're at a different level than we've had so far, so.
12:47:30 They're requiring different requirements of our department. Higher.
12:47:34 Level requirements of our department.
12:47:37 Most of that is prepping for litigation against.
12:47:41 The most difficult code enforcement folks.
12:47:45 And I won't say who that is. But there's there's a top 3 right now, or maybe if you.
12:47:51 One category is, there's 2 people in one category.
12:47:56 And and we're gearing up.
12:47:58 To start one of those very soon.
12:48:00 So, and that. And when we do that we'll have templates.
12:48:04 For doing all of those enforcement cases.
12:48:08 Possibly leading to foreclosures on some of those.
12:48:10 Some of those properties. So.
12:48:12 That's really.
12:48:14 Something that we've been trying to get to for a while, and.
12:48:17 With Melissa here in her litigation skills. I think we'll get to it sooner. So.
12:48:22 I think that's my report. Anybody has any questions. I'm happy to answer them.
12:48:28 Thanks for the thorough report. I think every one of us will benefit from another. Civil cases involve.
12:48:42 Yeah.
12:48:40 It does. There's 2 of them that's the one that has the.
12:48:43 Yeah.
12:48:45 He just put up a rogue campaign sign for me, and I'm like that's what made me ask the question might have to go in the dark of night, and retrieve that.
12:48:59 Philip.
12:49:01 You bet my pleasure.
12:49:00 I'll give it a little 3Â min unless anyone else's.
12:49:04 It's in no
12:49:06 Back to the legislative priorities.
12:49:08 There are a few ways in which community development in this sphere on a different sphere, I think, than commissioners do. But be.
12:49:16 Certainly good to make sure we're all sick from the same sheet of music.
12:49:19 I'm gonna be heading to Ellensburg.
12:49:21 Or an August 7th meeting of the Washington State Association of County and Regional Planning Directors, which is a subset of.
12:49:29 And this is the whole topic is around. Let's say, priorities. I know that housing is on there. I can't remember the details, but I'll find out more. Come back and talk about
that.
12:49:37 Uga swap. I think there's some talk about maybe changing that language to make it.
12:49:42 Easier to actually implement.
12:49:45 And then also, I used to be really involved with the American Planning Association Chapter Legislative Committee as co-chair for a decade or so, but haven't much time lately.
But this is another way to interact with the planning community across the State. Not just the public sector, county planners.
12:49:58 And then, finally, we have, you know, good contacts with State agency staff.
12:50:03 And you know they're often responsible for rulemaking or fiscal notes on bills and sometimes weighing in on policy. So we.
12:50:09 Get kind of the inside scoop from the State Agency staff that we talk with. So if you have any questions about, maybe.
12:50:15 Buy another door to get an answer for, at least from that angle.
12:50:19 Quickly running down the Dcd List.
12:50:23 The.
12:50:24 Flood. Plain regulations that are the result of the community assistance visit from ecology late last year.
12:50:31 I've gone through the Planning Commission Board soon, when Brett Butler is back.
12:50:36 From leave to bring those female related regulations to you, chapter or title. 15.
12:50:43 And.
12:50:46 We're also working on the short term rental or vacation rental regulations that Grant is also working on.
12:50:52 And we're in the process of now.
12:50:54 Actually putting pen to paper, coming up with the code proposal that's going to go through the formal process. We've done a lot of.
12:50:58 Pre planning on that, and a lot of public interaction.
12:51:01 And of course there isn't currently a moratorium in place.
12:51:04 On applications for hospitality establishments that are short term rentals.
12:51:09 We're talking to the Board this afternoon. Once public works is done about the results of a fee study that started a while ago that we have now, and how it relates to Implementation
Bill 52, 90 from a couple seconds ago. That have to do with permanent view timelines. We have
12:51:25 And a couple of tasks. After that following, we've.
12:51:27 We've got an open house scheduled now for Friday.
12:51:30 August 15th in the morning for the billing community applicant community to come in. Kind of see how we do things behind the curtain, go station to station, visit some of our
staff, so.
12:51:39 It's kind of part of this conversation.
12:51:41 How we process permits.
12:51:43 Then we're gonna have to change our development regulations. It looks like before the end of the year, separate package.
12:51:48 Just to be able to.
12:51:50 React to that legislation.
12:51:53 Too late to kind of get it into previous packages. So we're just gonna focus on that as an individual package.
12:51:57 All around our processing rigs and just catch up with that law. Otherwise.
12:52:01 Default. Language in the law just comes into effect rather.
12:52:04 Tailor it to our own situations on that.
12:52:08 Meanwhile we're doing our 24.
12:52:10 Comp plan, amendment cycle. There's 4 things on there depending on what day you ask, and whether some are gonna drop off or not.
12:52:18 One of those is a uga swap concept with the city of Port Townsend that.
12:52:23 It's not looking like it's gonna go. But there's still gonna talk about that. See if there's another option to that has to do with the casual brown village.
12:52:31 Then we're also in the midst of amending our countywide planning policies for the 1st time since the 19 nineties. And there's a meeting on August 13th of the Growth Management
Steering Committee, which includes all 3 county Commissioners.
12:52:43 And we have sort of what we think is our final proposal to amend the kind of planning, although we haven't heard from some of the tribal nations that have suggested that they're
gonna happen.
12:52:52 So we'll see if we get any.
12:52:54 Those policies are up on the web, and it's curious. Can't find it to them.
12:52:58 And.
12:52:59 That'll be interesting just to try to catch up.
12:53:02 After this many decades of implementing growth management.
12:53:06 We have that speaking up, we have the 25 periodic update, which is right now happens once every 10 years according to the law which has changed in the past. But hopefully that'll
stick.
12:53:16 And so it'll be 10 years from now or so we'll be doing the same thing.
12:53:19 That's due next year. So we're working on it already.
12:53:23 And you'll you know you'll be hearing some things about events or ways to to plug into that process, especially in the capital facility. Looking at the courthouse to for help
on that.
12:53:33 That includes climate effort, the board, I think, if I missed it. But if you, if you approve the consent agenda today, that includes a grant agreement for money to do that work.
12:53:44 About half of maybe a little bit more than half that money we've set aside for the climate, planning responsibilities under Gma with the New Climate Resiliency Element of the
Contract.
12:53:55 And some of the other money we set aside to contribute towards the effort to update our.
12:54:00 Coordinated water system plan the 1st time since 1,997. There's been some amendments, but.
12:54:04 1st comprehensive update of that plan.
12:54:07 And I'm.
12:54:08 We. We still have to get kind of rolling on that project, but we have some partners in the and others, but.
12:54:14 There's some parameters that we still need to settle. We're really gonna pull that off.
12:54:18 Meanwhile we started.
12:54:21 Work.
12:54:22 We're in contract negotiations with a consultant to help us with a planning effort centered around the Glen Cove area.
12:54:28 I guess your brother's involved with that project.
12:54:30 And that some of the Federal funding process.
12:54:33 That we have to expand really, before the middle of next year, I think, or sometime like that.
12:54:37 And it's really just to jump. Start that conversation around.
12:54:40 What to do about both towns and urban growth area, which has always been the same as the city boundaries, which is kind of unusual. There's always been that way by design, I
think, since the nineties.
12:54:49 And there's talk about. Well, what would it look like if the.
12:54:52 Uga boundary, lifted off the city boundary, went over and grabbed up some land, including the glyph.
12:54:57 Like virtual area. And maybe it's been surrounded. So that conversation is gonna happen. People have different opinions about it.
12:55:03 And we're gonna do some analysis and just figure out what are the options, and what do we need to do? And what are the issues to resolve.
12:55:09 To make that happen.
12:55:12 We're also.
12:55:13 We still have the S and P. Update requirement from the state.
12:55:18 We're a few years behind on this one. It's up to the prospect right now.
12:55:24 And the news is that we actually have to update the S and P again next year after. Once we update the critical areas ordinance as part of the 25 update. So really, it's like
going to be a couple of updates in a row and.
12:55:36 Since we're so far behind, we have to do it again at 2030. So.
12:55:40 Might as well start getting ready for that now.
12:55:42 But the work we're doing now will contribute to the next.
12:55:45 I mean yes.
12:55:46 So it's not just a.
12:55:48 Whole class. 4. Forecast. How long it takes next time, too interestingly, though ecology is working on a whole new set of.
12:55:58 So we will have. Still, we have a jump start on already, which is globalize. You did a study in these jumps.
12:56:05 That's good.
12:56:08 And I think.
12:56:10 That's it.
12:56:11 So you're not up to much pretty quiet over there. New notebook when he started today.
12:56:27 I can go next.
12:56:30 Our legislative priorities. We I don't think we've narrowed it down, but a lot of it has to do with elections. Some election
12:56:40 Recovery costs that sort of thing.
12:56:43 And right now we're right in the middle of the.
12:56:47 That's primary. So got balanced that we're processing them today.
12:56:54 Yeah, we plan on this being a very busy season. So you can see a lot of lot of action with elections.
12:57:03 We have some new processes, because second signature check, which.
12:57:09 You know, counseling board. So there's a new training regarding signatures.
12:57:15 And so we.
12:57:17 Tried our process today. And when is this working? Well.
12:57:20 I think so. We have. We are also having review right now. So the State is, has been here, and will be here, on and off during this whole election.
12:57:29 Reviewing our processes, procedures so.
12:57:33 That's exciting stuff, too.
12:57:38 Let Judy talk about accounting, but they're doing awesome seeing auditors here. We've been working a lot with Stacey.
12:57:44 Rp. T. Cameras doing awesome. She's our newest.
12:57:49 Not our newest. She's our newest down at the financial. We did hire Nicholas Simmons, F. In our quartering office, and she's doing awesome.
12:58:00 Full, staff, right, now.
12:58:02 Hopeful, and mainly I'll train busy Monday. But elections.
12:58:10 And licensing is really what's happening.
12:58:15 Still down a bit those fees, but we're working on it. There's only so much you can do.
12:58:22 If it's an open convention just on the national level, I mean, is that like.
12:58:28 How much time do you need to get a ballot together? I guess this is this is kind of unprecedented times on the national landscape. I'm just wondering how it might impact you.
Of course. So the primary is
12:58:38 And we had local older pamphlets that we had to process. So there is a lot to do with that. So for the November election. So not until the August is certified, which is what?
14 days after election, day.
12:58:52 And then we'll be.
12:58:55 Program, so it'll be in the book sometime.
12:59:05 We do think the sheriff's office also, they've been quite involved in our kind of emergency planning and.
12:59:10 Safety planning and and
12:59:13 Drop valid dropboxes, and they'll be there on election night. So.
12:59:18 Management.
12:59:19 That they said that, but the open primary well, the primary will be.
12:59:25 In middle August, at the same time that they have to have.
12:59:28 Here.
12:59:30 Finalized to certain States one of those States we already had. The Presidential.
12:59:34 Yeah, we had that in March. So.
12:59:37 So we.
12:59:38 We certify our candidates.
12:59:44 Yeah.
12:59:44 Whoever's gonna be there.
12:59:46 Candidate for President.
12:59:48 They're gonna be making that decision at the same time already been approved. But the motors already made that choice.
12:59:55 That's the grandparent approval, so that it meets.
13:00:00 Washington State Law.
13:00:02 So the the State certifies the candidates to us.
13:00:05 And I don't know what day I have an election calendar, but there is. There is a date that they have to certify all.
13:00:11 Our august primary plus.
13:00:15 Presidential candidates on that. Yeah. And it's in August something.
13:00:20 Now we start programming.
13:00:22 But what if they haven't made a decision.
13:00:26 All right. We have to program and get that ballot to the printers.
13:00:52 Valid also, where people were trying to take step to court, to have someone not on there, but.
13:00:59 He already programmed and printed. So right there were people on there that had dropped out of the race.
13:01:07 We are only calendar to go to one so sorry if we anyone has to drop off. But.
13:01:13 We are here for the afternoon, so happy to.
13:01:18 Conversation if anyone else is.
13:01:21 Well, she did. Leave him for Judy. You guys talk to me all the time, though, because team is working really well. They're working really well together as a team.
13:01:34 Amanda. Christopher is working on grants and trying to find money just about wherever she can, under whatever rock she can. She does an amazing job. And she's just really.
13:01:46 A great person, for as a grabs administrator is, we're also working on the administrative part with Munis, you know. So, knowing me and her working together on that project.
13:01:56 In addition to, you know, Noy is taking the lead on the annual report this year, and the audit.
13:02:02 And she's doing a great job. So of course I'm there if she needs help. So.
13:02:07 The team is functioning really well and really proud of them.
13:02:12 You're doing a really good job. So which allows me to take a little bit of time off so. And I'm beginning to work on bigger projects, you know, more analysis for budgets coming
up, working on those types of things.
13:02:26 New budget bus. That's right. We're working on a new budget, a snazzy one. Yeah, what's really interesting about it. The people I'm working with are in the Ukraine.
13:02:37 The company was out of Canada, but the actual people doing the work are in Ukraine, and it's been. It's some great conversations. And you know, really.
13:02:48 Really, bright people, so.
13:02:50 Yeah, hopefully out of missile rage when I'm not that they were with the Ukraine, I said, well, Hutch, and one of the Galv is our lead. She basically said, well, we just got
to the point where now we are. Generators are working right? So that.
13:03:05 We? You know we have. We don't have issues. We can keep working. And so it was just like, I mean, that just brings it home right.
13:03:13 So it was.
13:03:14 You know, just interesting people.
13:03:17 Yeah. So stay tuned for one.
13:03:21 Yeah, so I'll go really quick. Here,
13:03:25 One thing that I wanna bring up.
13:03:27 Today is like how important the policy decisions that you all make in terms of compensation are important.
13:03:33 And in growth in the county itself, county employment.
13:03:38 So in payroll and the auditors office. There's 3 folks now who can support payroll in the county, making sure everyone gets paid researching policy and.
13:03:52 Brenda and Judy have done a great job in ensuring that that.
13:03:56 Team is built up. So this kudos to you.
13:03:59 Josh has built up Dcd, and because of policy decisions there, we have.
13:04:07 We're fully staffed in the Health Department.
13:04:10 At the end of the pandemic. We were advertising for 26 positions, and now our advertising is only for 8 positions.
13:04:19 Some of these are heart positions to fill, like engineers.
13:04:23 But we're out there, and we have really more competitive now. With.
13:04:31 How's the job? Fair?
13:04:33 That's another point. Yeah, so
13:04:35 I don't know if you all heard that there was a layoff at Mckinley paper mill in Port Angeles, and so.
13:04:44 Dave Martino called me. I called the Hr. Manager at the paper mill and asked if any kind of outreach could be done.
13:04:51 To.
13:04:52 200 or so employees there who've been laid off.
13:04:55 And then the Chamber of Commerce in Port Angeles was hosting.
13:05:01 A job care for these folks. So we attended a job fair and Friday and they Fortino corrections, and Troy Phillies were also there. So it was a great collaboration with the sheriff's
department to.
13:05:16 Get out there and and talk to a lot of folks. So it went really well.
13:05:21 We'll see if we get any.
13:05:24 Any nimble. Yeah, corrections is kind of our big hotspot right now, we really need folks and corrections not just here in Jefferson County. I mean just every kind of.
13:05:34 Agency. You can think of them.
13:05:36 Whole country. But the thing is, we have a really great crew, really nice people.
13:05:41 You're doing a good job.
13:05:43 Tell your friends but I'm just really so pleased with.
13:05:49 The amount of collaboration. And that's really something that we are striving for. Through resources.
13:05:56 Part of that engagement is listed in the strategic plan.
13:06:01 And while we haven't done exact things listed in the plan, we have initiated meetings with each department and human resources, so folks can ask questions. We've met already
with Wsu.
13:06:15 We're meeting with Juvenal services.
13:06:17 Coming up after that central services after that fresh. And so we have a list where we're gonna touch every department and really excited about that.
13:06:27 Donuts, help.
13:06:31 So really, you know, we're collective bargaining is ongoing. We've been bargaining with progressions for the last 2 months.
13:06:41 We have another meeting coming up next week.
13:06:44 We're also actively bargaining with central services and teamsters.
13:06:50 And we'll be beginning bargaining with sheriff's deputies and sheriff's command staff.
13:06:55 And the next few weeks, so those will be the last.
13:06:58 The sheriff's deputies. Faculty will be a lot.
13:07:02 Too, that we'll be bargaining.
13:07:03 And and just to point out.
13:07:08 You and Mark are doing those. We're not contracting it outside people to do those anymore. So.
13:07:13 I mean, that's that was a huge jump jump. I felt like, and the culture shift. So we're not just, you know.
13:07:20 Bargaining, or.
13:07:22 In the week. Yeah, we're at the table. We're right, Wing. It's awesome.
13:07:45 But I like the beautiful day. His quotes, and one today is really short. But it was about the privilege of being able to call you neighbor, and I think that to me is so important
when we talk to anybody sitting here at the table. Anyone in any of our departments. If we have the privilege of calling neighbor, we could have the privilege of.
13:08:08 And so I think in, in where we work, and in these times the importance of caring for other people, and consideration is really.
13:08:17 So I'm I'm happy with the way things are going. I'm proud of.
13:08:22 The way people are working.
13:08:25 Yeah, that's all I have, and if you need anything, just, you know, holler, come down.
13:08:31 Come at it from a way of there's an issue. How do we solve the issue?
13:08:35 And I can help with that.
13:08:39 I have an example of that. We just got a new time. Limited clerk. Hire thanks for the approval from the board. But Sophie had a lot of Kate time off, thanked up.
13:08:52 Inquiring about our strategy on that front. And so
13:09:01 To be couple of days a week.
13:09:03 For the next year, and then she's also doing a part time job with juvenile services as their family court improvement.
13:09:11 And so Hr. Was monumental with Sarah and her team in terms of how do we navigate all that? So, anyway, that's a really exciting new update for Superior Court.
13:09:21 Another big thing that's really exciting.
13:09:24 As we got awarded a 3 day training from the National Center on Restorative justice that we applied for their leaders in the in the field from New York.
13:09:34 Anybody could apply to this to 3 day training, and we were one of 5 sites around the country awarded where they're gonna fly their team here. And we're gonna the Jamestown tribes.
Gonna host it from October 7, th October 9.th
13:09:48 And we'll have the prosecuting attorneys office endorsed.
13:09:52 They were supportive. The sheriff's department, the police department, Healthcare, Dove House.
13:09:57 You'll encourage number. Basically, anybody who's associated with criminal legal system says, let's show up and we're excited to try this out. And then the awardees of this
grant.
13:10:07 I'll get to apply for a 250,000 grant to get an Rj. Program up and off the ground. Only 2 of them will get it, but they were one. It was really exciting, because when they asked
me and our team I was the one to apply for it, and they said, Hey, you and anybody else can show up to an interview. We want to get to know you more, and we showed up with like.
13:10:24 10 people showed up. They were all like, you can tell. They were like, wait, you have the sheriff, the prosecutor, the judge like, who who does that? And we're like Jeffson
County, yo, so that that's exciting. And then, just lastly,
13:10:44 Yeah, just trying to work out sort of how to hang some art in the courtroom with the facilities team. I we got awarded another Grant jumal services applied for it. We're $1,500.
13:10:58 To make.
13:11:00 Our courtroom more, trauma informed, and so I I.
13:11:04 I got these rails that basically will just you could paint, and you not really see them in the clear wire could hang. But then facilities had some concern around whether they
meet the requirements of the historic preservation easement, which I personally think they do. I'm trying to keep it out of Phil's desk because it sounds like he's got money going on
and I said, I said, it's free. It's sturdy.
13:11:28 It's gonna hang art, really. Well, if you'd like to build molding, you're more than welcome to. I just really wanna have our art up and have it be sturdy.
13:11:37 Can it be temporary until they build it? Yeah, I mean, well, yeah, the easement just says, if you're not in compliance with the easement.
13:11:46 You have the right to then get in. And my whole idea is like, well, it's just like it's not any different than any of these things holding the electrical wire. It's just.
13:11:57 It's meant to be invisible and built in. But if anybody's real savvy with historical stuff, and they want to chat.
13:12:04 I I would love to cause I I don't want us.
13:12:07 Compromise the the historical preservation of our courtroom, and.
13:12:12 Isn't there someone at the city who? I don't. It's taken me 7 years to get those 2 maps put up.
13:12:38 Hmm.
13:12:44 Cool.
13:12:46 That's all. Good stuff.
13:12:47 We're at.
13:12:48 Anyone.
13:12:52 Can we get out to Central Services.
13:12:53 For.
13:12:55 We? Yeah, we had 9 candidates.
13:12:59 6 scored.
13:13:01 At a level that may be worthy of considering them for interviews. So we developed 4 questions.
13:13:08 Send each.
13:13:09 Of the 6 remaining candidates. So 4 questions.
13:13:12 And.
13:13:13 So that we could consider their responses to those questions, and then maybe weed out a couple.
13:13:18 On the 6 to get down to 4.
13:13:20 Well, 2 of them.
13:13:21 And.
13:13:24 Brett Black hired one of them to be his finance, and another fellow got a job elsewhere. So we're naturally by attrition down to 4.
13:13:33 And so I haven't chatted with rode this week, but.
13:13:37 We do have, I think, 8 or 9 folks on interview panel, and we'll be inviting 4 remaining candidates for interviews in the very near future.
13:13:47 Thank you.
13:13:48 And just Fyi
13:13:51 Some of you may or may not know, Marcus retiring at the end of June next year, and the Board has decided to initiate a hiring process for county administrator around the 1st
of the year.
13:14:02 Can we do what we did the last time is.
13:14:05 Do the process and then tell Mark you're staying for her. So who knows what happens? No, she's like whatever you wanna do, and we welcome internal candidates.
13:14:28 That position.
13:14:30 We. I won't even be here. Maybe you're gonna fly or external. Yeah.
13:14:37 Alright, anything.
13:14:38 For the good of the order. Mark anything else you want to cover.
13:14:46 Well, you got you got many months to put in. We're following your lead. You've got like a a year, 11 months.
13:15:05 Anything else. Well, here, my role. Jeff. So yeah.
13:15:12 Okay. Thank you. Everyone. Yeah. Great to hear what's going on. It's it's quarterly.
13:15:38 It's not a guy I know.
13:31:59 So I think on the.
13:32:01 I think there's something else around 2, 30.
13:32:08 So we'll see when they show up, so we may have an hour, and then, of course, we could continue to come back and do more workshops needed. So.
13:32:19 It's like last week getting better.
13:32:22 We're all through it at a pace.
13:32:25 Works for the board, and so there's no.
13:32:30 Need to rush artificially through this.
13:32:34 We want to pick up.
13:32:36 Last week's discussion on the connection policy. Section 13, mark which slide it is.
13:32:51 Okay.
13:32:58 I don't know if you saw in the newspaper, but they're just calling it the Huga. Now they didn't say system. It was just Pahuka, what's that kind of like.
13:33:09 Had the pronunciation. I'm I'm that's what we're just gonna make that happen. Now I'm with Monte.
13:33:16 What's that? It could be? Fuga? It could be pahuga. It's the P. Is not silent. It's just before the cause of port and headlock. So you're taking the pronunciation of the P.
Import and the ancient hadlock pad.
13:33:33 He had.
13:33:36 Yeah. The paduga.
13:33:39 Yeah.
13:33:39 Just getting more elegant. Now we're gonna draw the young families there.
13:33:48 So.
13:33:48 We got to this point in last week's presentation, and we always knew the connection would probably be one of the major.
13:33:57 Discussions.
13:33:58 As we go over this ordinance, and there were the board up the number of ideas and thoughts and questions. So we're back on.
13:34:08 Table 4, 1 which.
13:34:10 Is.
13:34:13 Essentially.
13:34:14 Describes, who has to connect, and when.
13:34:21 And again, I think it's important also to remember that this is a sewer ordinance. So this is how to run a sewer, how to.
13:34:29 It's not a land use ordinance.
13:34:32 So the 2 are. This is this is a sewer ordinance. Essentially. Can I ask one question about that? I I think I meant to ask, and didn't ask last time, but.
13:34:40 We're making this ordinance. This will be a county ordinance. And then, as soon as we have the sewer system, we're gonna hand it over to. So they're collaborating with you guys
on this ordinance. We're gonna be implementing rules for their operation. Is that right?
13:34:56 Hopefully. Yeah, working on behalf of us. But we're the county still going to be.
13:35:03 Managing.
13:35:06 Applications for connections and.
13:35:09 See her extensions and things like that. I mean, there may come a point in the future where the beauty could.
13:35:15 Step into that role. But this is a county ordinance, not ordinance, and they're collecting the fees for us. But you know we'll.
13:35:23 Transfer, that.
13:35:25 Revenue back to the county, and the county will use it to operate sewer, which includes paying the so pretty much. Just be a professional services. Agreement with the Pud to
operate.
13:35:35 If it's under our rules.
13:35:37 But the sewer is owned by an account, the county's ordinance not, you know, again, that could change in the future. But that is this point.
13:35:49 Nice plan.
13:35:50 And in addition we met with the.
13:35:52 On a couple of occasions, and they reviewed it for the low income program, as well as the rates and policies around delinquent accounts and things of that teacher. So.
13:36:01 We didn't meet with their customer service staff.
13:36:05 Excellent. Thank you.
13:36:07 So.
13:36:08 I think one of the.
13:36:11 Discussions that we were having last week was just.
13:36:17 Then the idea of when.
13:36:20 When new construction for new residential construction in particular needs to connect.
13:36:27 And
13:36:30 I would recommend. We pick that discussion up with the board, but there is a.
13:36:37 This draft draft ordinance had said, Well, when sewers in the street in front of your house or your property, and you build a new house, or significantly up.
13:36:48 Add on Remodel House.
13:36:49 Such that the septic system would need to be.
13:36:54 Updated, then you would need to connect, and I would recommend that we strongly consider making that source within 200 feet of your property which would be consistent with.
13:37:05 The rest of the project ordinance as well as physical.
13:37:12 Typical sewer audiences, and that 200 fee has been around for a long time because it's.
13:37:17 Typically one.
13:37:19 City, block.
13:37:22 It would have the benefit of.
13:37:25 Encouraging.
13:37:26 Density, which is what the sewer is about, because.
13:37:30 If I have new develop. What we're talking about here needs to.
13:37:36 Expand funds to extend sewer
13:37:40 It would be better to spread that cost through more than one dwelling on these properties. So again, with the.
13:37:48 Herb and density are allowed to put.
13:37:52 4 to 6 homes per A/C.
13:37:55 Whereas right now.
13:37:58 Well, you're really limited to.
13:38:01 Lots of legal record size or skeptic of.
13:38:05 Requirement, so.
13:38:06 I know the board was.
13:38:10 Discussing this last week. So maybe you all want to pick up on that discussion again.
13:38:18 The ordinance still says that existing residential would not be.
13:38:23 Required to connect. When a sewer line goes by your property, unless your septic system, or failing, or something, or you want it again to remodel.
13:38:32 That would involve septic upgrade.
13:38:35 But we're talking about new construction here.
13:38:39 So with the board. Like to have some.
13:38:42 Dialogue about that.
13:38:46 Could I ask a clarifying question first, st yeah. So 200 feet is.
13:38:50 Like when you look under the definition of nearby. It's kind of difference for a single family housing or multi housing make it all 200 feet.
13:39:05 I mean, I think it'd be logical to me. Yeah, anytime you can make it cleaner and simpler to understand. I think it's.
13:39:12 Yeah.
13:39:13 And a a couple of points, I would add, and haven't had the benefit of hours with.
13:39:18 Josh, Monty, Sam, and Bill Hunter last week talking about this stuff.
13:39:25 One is that you know, as the draft is currently written, you could actually end up with a brand new septic system.
13:39:30 You know, 20 feet from the sewer line, and you know that is.
13:39:35 Not what we're like hoping not. Why, we have a uga as not. Why, we're building a sewer.
13:39:42 So that.
13:39:44 Realization made me kind of realize the benefit of the 200 foot standard, as much as said, which, it will say is also.
13:39:52 What title 18 currently says for the transitional zoning. So
13:39:59 Phil, have really helped direct me to the importance of consistency with.
13:40:03 Title 18, and so.
13:40:06 It's actually part of the definition of available is within 200 feet. So I don't know if that's something we want to think about. That's the definition of available cleaning
up. Yeah, aligning those definitions.
13:40:20 Yeah.
13:40:22 Well, and it's.
13:40:24 And the version we had last year or last week.
13:40:28 There's some references to the 200 foot.
13:40:32 200 feet.
13:40:33 Multifamily right this would be for single family.
13:40:38 And in terms of the.
13:40:43 Existing, you know. I think there's still that question of whether, at the time of sale.
13:40:49 If.
13:40:51 See where is, I guess.
13:40:54 Nearby again. If we wanna think about how we use the definitions available nearby.
13:40:59 I guess I I would propose again, just in the interest of getting enough users onto the.
13:41:07 So our incentivizing, hooking up.
13:41:11 And at some point requiring hooking up that existing. I I think that.
13:41:16 Around a time of sale we should have a timeframe for hookup, I think, would just be too easy to.
13:41:21 As people resist, and not.
13:41:23 Realize the the benefit, the existence, why we created this uga, and then is it the seller or the purchaser who are paying about the how to.
13:41:35 Make, that.
13:41:37 Fair, but wanted to wonder what's gonna take the temperature of you to see you.
13:41:42 I mean. So to understand, that's changing the connection required under existing single family residence or duplex to a yes.
13:41:51 Basically, or maybe upon time of sale.
13:41:54 And then changing the nearby definition to be inclusive of single family.
13:41:58 Alright!
13:41:59 Yeah, but I think I think some of it.
13:42:02 We actually didn't talk about this definition.
13:42:04 Issue, last.
13:42:06 Week, in part, because it wasn't until I went to Title 18 and saw.
13:42:11 Of the availability is defined by the 200 feet, so.
13:42:15 Do you need me to point you to that? Okay.
13:42:19 1919, 1, 20.
13:42:21 Can, please.
13:42:23 Bunch of people.
13:42:24 Well, there's the definitions.
13:42:28 The topic on the tables, as I understood, and Monty, laying it out, was both the kind of the definition of nearby. And then the
13:42:37 Question about existing.
13:42:41 Existing single family residents or duplex.
13:42:45 Connection required, which is a no right now, and we're talking about either adding a caveat upon time of sale is that.
13:42:52 Correct thing that summarizes.
13:42:54 Oh, okay.
13:42:56 What we were, what we what I.
13:42:58 Proposed based on the discussion was that.
13:43:01 Changing the definition.
13:43:04 You're by the 200 feet, and then Commissioner Dean is.
13:43:07 Added, this idea.
13:43:10 Existing at time of sale.
13:43:14 What you guys can. Certainly.
13:43:16 Discuss I mean there as.
13:43:19 Indicated. There's probably a lot to.
13:43:25 These are what I work out about how that would work. I mean, it seems like it would be really intuitive right now, when there's incentives to, you know.
13:43:32 Financially support installation and connection to the sewer. But once you go into a phase where maybe.
13:43:37 That isn't there becomes more politically.
13:43:42 Fra.
13:43:43 I would say right now, changing the definition of nearby 200 feet doesn't affect anyone because.
13:43:51 Sure will be.
13:43:54 Within 200 feet of pretty much everyone in this phase. One area.
13:43:58 People are getting hooked up.
13:44:01 And this would be. There could be a vacant lot or a lot that someone wants to redevelop in the future. Then they would.
13:44:09 You know, be within 200 feet.
13:44:12 But I don't see them having to.
13:44:14 Extend sewer to get there. In phase one area, it would really.
13:44:19 Start to have more of an effect, as the sewer extends out of.
13:44:23 Phase, one area through developer extensions, or something like that.
13:44:28 The other concept, the existing being required to connect at the time of sale.
13:44:33 Could.
13:44:35 Could affect, some.
13:44:37 Properties within the phase, one area that aren't connecting right now because they don't want to, or because we won't have the grant funding fully connect every single property
in phase. One area.
13:44:48 We're gonna get through most of the high water users and moderate heatwater users, but we.
13:44:56 Be challenged to get every single class home.
13:45:00 In, the.
13:45:02 Phase, one area connected. There's.
13:45:05 Some on, the.
13:45:07 Periphery, that.
13:45:09 Aren't using a lot of water and aren't required to connect under this.
13:45:14 Ordinance draft ordinance, that.
13:45:17 We just, you know. Maybe in the future we'll be successful with another Grant application. But can't.
13:45:22 Guarantee it at this point right now, though anyone who is required to act under the strapped ordinance.
13:45:29 We believe will.
13:45:31 Being able to.
13:45:34 Into their connection with the Grant funds that we have.
13:45:39 I think, part of the reason for that time of sale, or within a year of sale, and again should be.
13:45:46 Would be determined. But is that.
13:45:47 You know, if, if, when indeed, there is a sale that.
13:45:51 Is there, the speculative value of the the zoning will be realized. And so.
13:45:59 You know, I share the trying to balance here the kind of equity and impact to especially the low income folks to fix income folks right now.
13:46:08 With the desire to have a place to put density in the county. And so I think that is a fair time to do it when that.
13:46:16 Additional property value is realized.
13:46:20 I mean, though, if they're.
13:46:22 You know, it's a internal family sale or something. I mean, there's all sorts of scenarios that you can. Yeah, imagine that that it could be a real hardship. Yeah, yeah. And
I think it's worth.
13:46:32 I imagine other jurisdictions have grappled with this and so I think it's worth looking into.
13:46:38 Other models for.
13:46:40 Yeah, that's it.
13:46:42 The inheritance, you know, is that does that.
13:46:46 Yeah.
13:46:47 We've talked about the idea of a at time hooking of it at time of sale in the past, like when Bob and I were out talking with people in the neighborhood.
13:46:57 What if we don't hook up now?
13:47:00 When, when might this property be required to hook up.
13:47:03 And we would say, potentially, at the time of sale.
13:47:05 Because that was something we were talking about before as an idea.
13:47:11 What about when the title changes?
13:47:15 Yeah, but that's you know. Then you get into inheritance. And like, I, just it would take legal.
13:47:22 Consults on, how to how to.
13:47:25 Frame that accordingly, but.
13:47:28 Hunker made it seem like that was possible, and that he had some. He seemed comfortable with the concept in general, so.
13:47:34 Can we separate the 2 questions? Cause I. I think, that.
13:47:39 Monty and Sam's suggestion about the definition, and also harmonizing with the title 18 seems like a no brainer to me. I don't know.
13:47:46 I agree, yeah.
13:47:49 They're new.
13:47:50 Development. Yeah. So we will do the nearby. We will change the definition nearby. And this table to reflect.
13:47:57 That.
13:47:58 Yeah. So there's no A and V under nearby. But just a definition, basically work on couple of other definitions in here. I think you're mentioned last week like.
13:48:09 What is remodeling?
13:48:13 Josh even said there might be difference between remodel and addition, and then there might be some.
13:48:22 Definitions around septic failure versus septic.
13:48:27 Repair that we need to investigate further as well.
13:48:31 To. So we will work on that.
13:48:34 In all our free time.
13:48:37 And
13:48:39 As far as that time sale concept, we can investigate that more. I was.
13:48:44 Almost certain county, and put that into their Carlsborince, but I couldn't find it, so they may have removed it, but I.
13:48:52 Contact them and.
13:48:53 Find out something about that.
13:48:58 And and also look at.
13:49:00 That's the only limit.
13:49:02 Right now we're looking to.
13:49:09 Because I think the situation we have going on here is kind of rare like.
13:49:13 A new sewer. Will one never existed before? Normally.
13:49:18 Pretty much. Everyone would be hooked up to sewer because their neighborhoods developed as sewer was developing versus what we have, where.
13:49:26 There's all these existing neighborhoods, and there's suddenly, and there's going to be one.
13:49:33 So we're in a little different. So it's hard to find examples sometimes for exactly what we're doing or.
13:49:39 Like welfare. But it was almost all commercial, right.
13:49:43 So motion.
13:49:45 Course, they're really in that situation.
13:49:49 So might take a little more research on that.
13:49:53 Portion of that.
13:49:55 Concept.
13:50:00 I think another thing I wanted to mention, too, was, you know, with this.
13:50:04 Draft, ordinance.
13:50:07 It's designed so that it doesn't sty me.
13:50:10 Development, or someone building a house, you know, iron, which is 3 quarters of a mile away from the nearest sewer line house, under the rural transitional zoning on a septic
system.
13:50:23 Right now to do that.
13:50:25 Let's get this goes back.
13:50:27 Nearly 20 years.
13:50:29 Someone would need to sign a no protest. Waiver.
13:50:33 To not protest. Formation of a future led to that neighborhood.
13:50:41 I talked to.
13:50:42 Our legal counsel also about the concept of agreement.
13:50:47 That when sewers nearby, within 200 feet, that.
13:50:50 That.
13:50:51 Property would then be required to.
13:50:54 Connect, and that would be recorded to title, run with the land, so that.
13:50:59 Because no protest agreements only covers 2 extensions done through id. But what if.
13:51:05 A developer ran.
13:51:06 A sewer through the neighborhood or the county got a grant or something, and now you're.
13:51:11 One of these property owners who built. Sorry you're nearby on the septic system.
13:51:17 But it says, you know.
13:51:18 That you agreed when you built that house the county allowed you to do, and septic that you would connect to sewer when it came.
13:51:28 By your place, so that.
13:51:29 Is.
13:51:31 Process.
13:51:33 More than an ordinance. It's not really an ordinance issue. It's just more of a county. Do that.
13:51:38 We wanna.
13:51:40 Investigate more to get at what you're talking about here, which is.
13:51:46 Drive.
13:51:47 Property, and our connection.
13:51:50 And apparently the city did kind of a depreciation of septics that.
13:51:57 And I don't know if it was based on cost or.
13:52:00 Time. But but if if somebody had a septic when nearby, depending on how old the septic was that.
13:52:08 Change the amount of time they.
13:52:11 Had in order to, before they were required to connect to the sewer.
13:52:15 The more granular you make it, the more it sounds kind of arbitrary.
13:52:24 I guess it's worked, but they were relatively few properties that.
13:52:29 Qualified for that.
13:52:30 Right.
13:52:33 So I feel like we've received some.
13:52:37 Guidance from the board on this, so.
13:52:41 Cable. I don't.
13:52:43 The Edu question. Maybe. Yeah, I think.
13:52:51 So right now, it says, if you build a new accessory dwelling unit.
13:52:57 And your septic system is adequate.
13:53:01 To handle that day to you, which I think would be a rare situation. Well, let's imagine it.
13:53:07 That you would not be required to connect, to sewer, and.
13:53:13 Dave.
13:53:15 That obviously encourages the development of a use without.
13:53:19 The cost of connecting the sewer again. I think that's probably a pretty rare circumstance, but I guess if you had a.
13:53:27 4 bedroom septic, and you had a 2 bedroom home, and you wanted to make your garage into an 80 U, maybe.
13:53:33 It would be possible on the existing
13:53:37 But that's the question. Obviously, if your septic system isn't adequate.
13:53:43 Or an Edu.
13:53:45 Well, I shouldn't say obviously. But I should say, with this draft ordinance is that if your septic system is not adequate to handle the flow from an Edu.
13:53:54 And sewer is nearby, which would be defined as 200 feet. Now.
13:53:59 You would be required to run, you know, connect to build that 80 year
13:54:04 The adequate definition, too, had a little bit of space in there to say, Oh, you know it's adequate for my existing building, so I can put this adu up, not the, you know.
13:54:14 So. Not that it has.
13:54:16 2 bedrooms of extra capacity. I think it's also something that environmental health needs to grapple with with the new onsite septic code about.
13:54:24 What are the er use required for an Edu? I guess.
13:54:27 You know whether it's 1 bedroom or 2 bedroom capacity? I think that's kind of an open question.
13:54:32 It just.
13:54:33 I.
13:54:33 On the 80 a new that's nearby us, a sewer. I would.
13:54:37 I guess I'd be more inclined to be a little bit more draconian and required connection. In that case.
13:54:43 One is, Josh pointed out. You know we very well could be legislature could say that.
13:54:52 Yeah, allowed.
13:54:53 And.
13:54:53 So just resonate, because this is attributed being that someone latches onto and says, Oh, that's my plan. And then it's not a realistic plan, but you know I don't know.
13:55:04 If I may have technicality on that last point.
13:55:06 I'm not sure what is being thought about. Respect to 80 policy.
13:55:11 County, live.
13:55:13 But there already is a lot that says in cities and.
13:55:17 And unincorporated areas like this one that we're talking about.
13:55:21 Have to require.
13:55:23 2 80 used to be possible for parcel. So we are.
13:55:26 Attending to put that regulation into our package of urban regulations for this year. So.
13:55:31 Little bit of a different situation. But would that.
13:55:34 Would that be turned on yet if they weren't hooked up to the.
13:55:40 Well, the sooner the sooner is in this situation the sewer is nearby, so.
13:55:50 That someone has a septic capacity for a new edu, because you have to. Right now you have to have 2 bedrooms. But as Commissioner that might change.
13:55:57 Still, though for 2 80 years.
13:55:58 You can almost guarantee that.
13:56:00 That would be a super helpful situation. I think.
13:56:03 Because it's applicable to cities and ugas that that would we could. We could tailor the provision to be.
13:56:11 Specific in that regard.
13:56:14 We wanna circle back with environmental health on this as well. The definition again.
13:56:20 Failing.
13:56:23 Because.
13:56:26 That is a loaded term. You know your septic system might be.
13:56:32 We need of repair, which could be something pretty.
13:56:36 Versus failing, which means there's raw sewage.
13:56:39 On the surface of it around at the winter time. So we need to tighten that up.
13:56:45 This is, I think Josh pointed that out to us. Just, I would mention that if someone builds an Edu and they have to connect to sewer.
13:56:55 I would.
13:56:56 Say at that point. What they ought to do is.
13:57:01 Connect everything on their property to her, and they could run it all through on your phone.
13:57:05 One of those grinder pumps is more than adequate to handle a home.
13:57:10 And.
13:57:11 A couple of years.
13:57:14 In my opinion, they're.
13:57:16 Generally, good, for.
13:57:16 2 to 3.
13:57:18 All of those single grinder pumps, so.
13:57:21 At least there'd be some efficiency there. You wouldn't have to.
13:57:26 To grind your comfort.
13:57:28 If you.
13:57:30 Lay things, out.
13:57:31 Well, last week we talked a little bit about the eventuality that somebody has.
13:57:35 I mean, this could be a lot that I'm on. But I there are other lots, and it's been asked of me. And people have other larger lots.
13:57:42 And the phase one boundary.
13:57:43 And have are tagged for a sewer hookup.
13:57:46 Can they be tagged for a second sewer hookup, or do they need to be.
13:57:51 Because a grinder pump can accommodate more than one.
13:57:56 House. Well, in the case of, in the case of a home with an adu or 2, it's all still one piece of property, and so.
13:58:05 I would.
13:58:06 Design and myself to.
13:58:08 Have things. Gravity flow from the separate dwellings to one grinder pump, or even use.
13:58:16 Homeowner, style, grinder, pump.
13:58:18 To get the sewage to the.
13:58:21 One, drive your pump, which are.
13:58:23 These are heavy duty pumps that.
13:58:25 Because they're pushing all the way to.
13:58:31 Uphill in some cases. So, but you don't need that to get it from a toilet here to grind or bump over there. You use.
13:58:39 A very small.
13:58:41 For that, so you could.
13:58:44 Click. Everyone on that property up to one grinder pump fairly.
13:58:48 Easily.
13:58:50 If you're gonna subdivide your property,
13:58:53 And have separate ownership. Then it makes maybe more sense to have a pump each.
13:59:02 Property, because then.
13:59:04 And end up with a situation where.
13:59:05 Homeowners are having to cut easments back and forth to each other, and one homeowners paying for the power.
13:59:12 Because the grinder pumps up to their power panel. But it's also serving some person entirely separate.
13:59:18 Property that gets really complicated. So you'd want to have.
13:59:22 Multiple stub outs for that, but it's hard to predict where.
13:59:29 What these people might wanna subdivide in the future. Sam, you've been dealing some of the property owners of these questions. You have anything to add to that.
13:59:40 Do we wanna.
13:59:41 Memorialize any of this thinking about multiple like.
13:59:46 What the eventuality is for the future of some of these properties.
13:59:50 I don't.
13:59:51 Think it's an ordinance issue. I think it's more of a construction issue for us like in these things like that. And I mean again.
14:00:00 The sewer lines can be.
14:00:03 Later.
14:00:05 With the Htd railman system we're using.
14:00:11 This. This situation exists with the water system, too, like they're gonna have to hot tap the water line to bring a new meter on someone.
14:00:19 Subdivides their property, not just sewer. So this happens.
14:00:23 All the time.
14:00:24 Okay.
14:00:26 New land uses occur, and you have to tap into your utilities like that.
14:00:34 So we're trying to do our.
14:00:37 Has to install.
14:00:39 Connection tease where we think it makes sense.
14:00:42 Property energy knows. But I mean, inevitably, someone's gonna have.
14:00:46 Tab.
14:00:47 On it.
14:00:49 That's the hope. Certainly. If I go back to the edu's, if.
14:00:53 If we require a new ads.
14:00:57 With existing single family houses that were.
14:01:00 Not necessarily requiring to attack, I mean, like the.
14:01:03 The single family house.
14:01:05 Has an adequate septic system. They want to add a new edu. Then what you're saying is, best practice would be.
14:01:11 To connect both to the sewer at the same time, because there's an economy of scale, or whatever.
14:01:17 Should the definition of connection talk about.
14:01:20 Connecting.
14:01:22 All the residences or buildings that are.
14:01:24 That have septic capacity at the same time, otherwise.
14:01:28 How do we make that happen? You know? I mean, it's might be the best idea might be good for them. But that doesn't mean that the homeowners.
14:01:35 Gonna want to do that when they have that choice, because it's inevitably gonna cost a little bit more, even if it might be the good long range plan. So I guess.
14:01:42 I think that would be a good
14:01:45 A good plan. If the Board.
14:01:49 Word. It feels that way.
14:01:52 Okay. Can you repeat the.
14:01:53 Yeah, so right, we're we're considering new connections for ads, and maybe changing that from a No with three's system nearby, available, adequate septic. You know the top one
day before one on paid whatever second page 28.
14:02:09 But it.
14:02:10 And Monty was talking about the.
14:02:13 The best practice would be to connect all the buildings on that have septic on to into the sewer at the same time. So maybe memorializing that in the definition of connection.
14:02:24 You know, moving anything off septic at the same time.
14:02:27 Triggers a sewer connection. Then you have to connect all this.
14:02:35 Structures on the property existing structures in the property. At the same time.
14:02:40 So that's funny. So you were thinking like, just if.
14:02:42 Just hooking up an edu and not the oh, right? Yeah, I do. I.
14:02:49 I had assumed that because I mean once you hook up a property they have to decommission the septic.
14:02:54 Don't you.
14:02:56 Yes, but if it's a new ADU.
14:02:58 Yeah, it just seems like it opens up it's been, yeah.
14:03:04 Right.
14:03:05 So we can easily add that, being a difficult homeowner, I know what they might say, and so yes, I think that's a good idea to add that on us.
14:03:18 But then, yeah, I think.
14:03:20 You also said.
14:03:23 Even if the septic is adequate and you want to build a bu, they should be required to connect to time. So turning that no into it. Yeah, I would, I think, to the board, agree
with your idea that that would turn changing that to a yet.
14:03:37 Yeah, I mean, that would make it actually simpler, right? Because then that wouldn't. You wouldn't have to do any connection redefinition or anything like you, and you're within
200 feet. Oh, but you still have to find connection, because you still could have potentially an existing.
14:03:58 Pause in here that says once you're connecting an ad must connect all other testing structures on the property at that time that you have to not chicken right structures.
14:04:11 So what about.
14:04:15 This plan belt to get a little bit.
14:04:18 What? What my job?
14:04:20 No, it's my job this time.
14:04:23 Let's see.
14:04:26 What about?
14:04:27 If somebody has a, you know, fairly new. 4 bedroom septic.
14:04:32 And they have a 1 bed, one or 2 bedroom house on that property, and they want to put an ad on it. We're gonna require them to.
14:04:40 Everything up to septic.
14:04:41 Is what we're saying.
14:04:42 Sewer.
14:04:43 Soar, I mean. So we're in this instance.
14:04:47 I can see getting pushed back on that.
14:04:52 If you have.
14:04:53 I.
14:04:54 If you have 4 bedroom septic.
14:04:56 I mean, there are new septic systems in Port Adlock.
14:05:01 I don't have one, but there are
14:05:06 So someone.
14:05:07 Maybe last 2 years ago, built a new.
14:05:09 4 bedroom septic. Built a small house, decided. Oh, we just.
14:05:14 You know, we're gonna build a 1 story. We'll build our retirement home. We just need one bedroom or.
14:05:19 One bedroom, you know any whatever small house, and then they still have the capacity to add more. We're saying that.
14:05:24 They have to hook up to septic. They can't build an adu.
14:05:28 With with what you're proposing on this table.
14:05:31 Yeah.
14:05:33 I mean.
14:05:35 That like I had a septic that was over my house because they were gonna build another house on the property. I don't think there's many in Port Hadlock, even new septic systems
that they're gonna spend the money to build.
14:05:46 Double the septic system just for fun, and then later decide, hey, you know we should do with that septic.
14:05:51 I'm just. I'm I'm double advocating your devil advocate.
14:05:56 I'm trying. I'm making my way through the streets of Padlock, trying to imagine the 4 bedroom septic on the.
14:06:01 2 bedroom, house.
14:06:03 Which I mean, this is draft, you know, this is what we're taking to the public for that very kind of feedback and.
14:06:10 If we.
14:06:11 Hear that you know, that could affect our thinking.
14:06:16 So maybe you want to start with the yes required, and see.
14:06:22 Yeah.
14:06:23 Yeah, I'm fine. With that. I'm just.
14:06:25 Imagining that there could be a few instances of what I'm describing out there. I can picture, too, off the top of my head.
14:06:34 I wonder!
14:06:35 This just occurred to me. If we need to.
14:06:38 I need to look in the definitions for avu.
14:06:43 Real quick here.
14:06:45 Hmm.
14:06:46 Alright!
14:06:48 What's.
14:06:52 Hey, Philip, is there, Philip? Is there anything you want to add at this point.
14:06:59 And if it's.
14:07:02 I just wonder if and I'm gonna have to look at this. But.
14:07:06 You're muted, Phil.
14:07:09 Well, you're looking for that monthly, can I? Just yeah.
14:07:13 Yeah. Fill up.
14:07:23 Like he's having a seizure.
14:07:27 You're muted, you're muted.
14:07:31 Can you guys see me.
14:07:34 Okay. Okay. Sorry.
14:07:35 You know.
14:07:37 Technology technology. I was having a little trouble with it.
14:07:41 I don't have much. I don't have much to add. I.
14:07:45 Except I would say, this,
14:07:46 It's great to talk about these ideas. I think you guys are having a really good, helpful discussion.
14:07:53 But we just we have to be just.
14:07:55 Cautious about how we draft it, and you already know that I just that's the only.
14:08:00 You know, kind of.
14:08:02 Warning I'd throw in. It's not meant to be a wet blanket. I think we can get.
14:08:06 To all the places that you're talking about with.
14:08:08 With no difficulty.
14:08:12 Rick.
14:08:13 Thank you.
14:08:16 The only the point I was gonna make is
14:08:17 When I think of an AU, I think of us.
14:08:22 Standalone.
14:08:25 Building in someone's backyard.
14:08:28 Finally.
14:08:31 My brothers built them on properties.
14:08:33 But
14:08:35 What if you wanna convert the.
14:08:38 The.
14:08:41 The face with your existing house, into a park.
14:08:44 Hmm.
14:08:47 Here's a term for that, right? It's like.
14:08:49 What is it? There's detached.
14:08:54 Yes, I mean, I don't know if you want to, just.
14:08:57 Being wished there, but to me the detachedu is where sewers should be required. If you.
14:09:03 Okay.
14:09:05 Converted space in your existing home to a living unit.
14:09:09 And you're septic is adequate. Maybe that's okay. Like, how many, how many?
14:09:17 Septa hookups is the hadlock banner gonna be required to put in.
14:09:20 They have 4 or 5 apartments in that building, and it used to be a house.
14:09:25 In the olden days.
14:09:27 So there could be other instances where there are houses like the one I live in, for example. That's way too big for the 2 people living in it.
14:09:36 That could be an upstairs and a downstairs apartment.
14:09:38 I don't know how we that wouldn't trigger, though, and that's same owner, same parcel.
14:09:47 Well, if you're, I think generally, if you're increasing density.
10:50:29 Resulted from that meeting. And then a meeting with DC.
14:09:46 That is a considerable
14:09:51 It's
14:11:04 Sorry that zoom crashed.
14:11:04 They? They missed the statement right before that was in.
14:11:04 Okay.
14:11:04 Couple things. Sorry zoom crashed
14:11:07 Philip, and go back to what you were saying in just a second. Lizanne. I saw your hand up and we will do public comment at the end of.
14:11:15 Our discussion today. So.
14:11:18 Stay tuned
14:11:20 But if we could.
14:11:22 Just go back to. Let's see, I just wanted to say I like the idea of distinguishing detached. And again, this is draft, and we're gonna take to the public.
14:11:34 I agree anything. I agree.
14:11:37 Okay. Sorry. Go. Ahead. Philip.
14:11:42 I was just gonna talk about the.
14:11:45 The the Oss issue that Heidi was.
14:11:48 But has been talking about and.
14:11:50 Particularly if you're.
14:11:52 If you're turning, you know one house, and do.
14:11:56 Multiple residences.
14:11:58 Most likely the oss is not going to be satisf.
14:12:03 For that. I think that would be the usual, you know, because the permits.
14:12:08 They're they're permitted by bed, by bedrooms, I mean, that's how they count the number. So.
14:12:13 If you're increasing the number of bedrooms, the chances are you're gonna have to.
14:12:18 You're gonna have to put in sort a sore system.
14:12:27 But that's the connection. To den one connection to density.
14:12:32 Is, how many bedrooms do they have?
14:12:35 Red.
14:12:38 Think you can add as many bedrooms as you want. It's when you start adding bathrooms and kitchens.
14:12:44 You know.
14:12:45 Is, when.
14:12:46 You're.
14:12:49 But.
14:12:47 Yeah, they do it by bedrooms.
14:12:56 It's.
14:12:58 There's an assumption about bedroom that may or may not be accurate, but that's.
14:13:02 That's it's that way in the.
14:13:04 And the state rags on OS too.
14:13:07 Yeah, I agree.
14:13:11 So we may need to address also cutting.
14:13:14 Existing.
14:13:16 Structures into multiple apartments as a.
14:13:19 Category. Yeah, I mean, we do have. I think we might need to.
14:13:31 My team uses major modification.
14:13:35 You know what qualifies as a eru.
14:13:39 Few.
14:13:41 If it's 6 people, or 4 people, or.
14:13:43 The amount, and ERU is.
14:13:45 And our definition.
14:13:48 One equivalent residential unit is 4,000 point 2 people per.
14:13:57 What happens? 2.2, okay.
14:14:00 If you had a bedroom, that's a 50% increase.
14:14:03 2.2 average. So some homes works out to.
14:14:11 Works out to about 2.2.
14:14:18 Okay, so remodel edition major modifications like I said, we wanna.
14:14:25 Tighten up our definitions. Table.
14:14:28 I think we Sam's captured.
14:14:32 The.
14:14:33 Boards.
14:14:34 Input.
14:14:36 On!
14:14:38 On this chart.
14:14:41 Can I call out one more thing that I think might be confusing, just because title 18.
14:14:46 Refers to available as a sewer line being within 200 feet. So I don't know. We need to.
14:14:54 Think about the available versus nearby. Aligning that language.
14:15:06 I think.
14:15:06 Yeah, I do think what I think. What he said earlier is important.
14:15:11 What, in terms of the recommendation to.
14:15:14 To make it 200 feet, it aligns it closer to the, to the.
14:15:18 To the language. In 18.
14:15:21 19.
14:15:25 I hear what you're saying.
14:15:26 Fisher Dean, so I'll look. We'll look into that and tighten it up. I think the.
14:15:31 Tables.
14:15:32 Pretty good, and we just make some.
14:15:35 Modifications to some.
14:15:37 Definitions and change the things that.
14:15:40 You guys have indicated.
14:15:42 We'll be
14:15:43 Get along our way, this thing, and we can certainly.
14:15:47 And we will.
14:15:49 Bring a.
14:15:51 Revised Version back to the Board in a workshop.
14:15:56 Before.
14:15:58 We get to the hearing?
14:16:03 And.
14:16:04 Maybe some other outreach opportunities, too.
14:16:08 Public and padlock.
14:16:10 Can I talk about one more nickel definition before we go on to 5.
14:16:17 In 1,304. It's number one it talks about. This is exception to sewer connection, requirement. This is kind of my example.
14:16:25 Says the director, in their sole discretion as consultation, can make this decision right.
14:16:30 If you look back to definitions, the director means director, or their designee, which is, I think, even called out in O. 5, as the director, or their designate.
14:16:39 And.
14:16:40 I don't know. It's just confusing. As I read through it, I feel like it's used differently in different places.
14:16:46 Because it should be.
14:16:47 You should be able to designate a sewer Level 3 sewer, engineer, or whatever to make this decision, I assume so maybe pulling out in their sole discretion, since.
14:16:57 The very word is defined as.
14:16:59 The director or their designee director is defined as the director public works, or their design.
14:17:07 So when 13 0 4, 5 0! Says the director, and their sole discretion, after consultation with the other directors.
14:17:16 They provide an exception.
14:17:20 That that would mean the director or their designee.
14:17:22 Yeah. So Seoul is kind of just misused there, right.
14:17:26 Well.
14:17:27 I mean.
14:17:28 The the point.
14:17:28 And maybe just getting rid of a language still solves it. But the point was.
14:17:35 To to make it clear that.
14:17:37 The director has.
14:17:38 The discretion.
14:17:39 Even though the director has to consult with other people.
14:17:43 Hmm.
14:17:42 So it was in tandem.
14:17:46 To put a bam there.
14:17:49 Right, right.
14:17:48 But but.
14:17:49 But but but maybe, you know, we can.
14:17:52 We could. There's another way to fix it, cause I get your point.
14:17:55 I get it. So it's.
14:17:55 Yeah, no, and it's it's it's a minor thing. I don't want to spend.
14:17:59 Time on it, but just.
14:18:01 Maybe eliminating the word sold.
14:18:04 Right and their discretion. Because it's yeah. I get Philip's point that it's like you consult with the other directors. But then it's you or your designees decision.
14:18:14 Exactly.
14:18:14 Solely, and that makes sense.
14:18:20 There any other.
14:18:23 Want to move on.
14:18:26 From table 4, 1.
14:18:29 Point.
14:18:29 Like on depth on the 13 0. 5. So we're trying to move on to 3 0, 5. Is there any other.
14:18:35 Thing in 13 0 4. They had me questions on. Yeah, I had.
14:18:43 Questions about. And maybe it's somewhere else.
14:18:46 Ms. Ordnance, but.
14:18:50 Under 13 0. 4 dot, 1, 1 0 ownership and maintenance of the fuga sewer system.
14:18:58 She lives
14:19:03 Under 5 of that section.
14:19:09 I agree with what happens if someone is responsible for the damage, and then also.
14:19:16 If if repairs required, but.
14:19:19 Is there any allocation for.
14:19:24 Relief or repair, support.
14:19:27 If a family can't afford to.
14:19:28 To do a repair.
14:19:32 It makes me think of the water leak relief that the.
14:19:36 PEP. Provides.
14:19:38 The leak, adjustment.
14:19:39 I just had to do it.
14:19:42 And I.
14:19:44 I was like, well, that's that's cool that they even have that.
14:19:48 Program.
14:19:49 And it seems like there could be instances in the sewer area.
14:19:54 Where a person, a property owner could not afford to do.
14:19:59 The repair. I don't.
14:20:00 I don't know what's what's analogous to a leak in the.
14:20:03 And so let's say, this is inappropriate or unlawful in the next sentence. It's it's.
14:20:09 Repair right. The next sentence talks about.
14:20:12 Maybe subject to compliance and cost recovery. But what I'm saying is irregardless of those 2.
14:20:19 Are we thinking about.
14:20:21 Support for folks who.
14:20:25 Like the water, leak, relief.
14:20:28 Let's say the property owner may be subject to compliance and cost recovery. I saw that. But what I'm saying is, are we building any kind of support or a program to.
14:20:37 I'll have to get back to you on that. We don't have any.
14:20:41 You know, the idea here was that.
14:20:44 You either are, if you cause the damage, or you might be, if you don't cause the damage. But what if? Well, I don't think it's.
14:20:51 Oh, if you.
14:20:52 You know.
14:20:53 What if you might be responsible for it? But you have no means to make the repair, but the repair we, the repair, needs to happen.
14:21:05 Now the repair will happen.
14:21:07 It'll be at the.
14:21:09 Cost, and then there'll be, you know.
14:21:11 Process, to try to recover.
14:21:13 Cost, from.
14:21:15 People who cause the damage. I mean, we have that with.
14:21:19 Our road infrastructure right now, people who.
14:21:24 Slam into a guardrail.
14:21:26 They were. Their insurance pays for that. We're talking 1520 grand.
14:21:31 But the uninsured.
14:21:34 Clam into a guardrail, and you can't collect from. I mean that that sends you to a whole other.
14:21:40 Realm.
14:21:41 I think I'm thinking about it more from the utility standpoint of like.
14:21:48 With the water leak. It's like.
14:21:50 Thousands. Tens of thousands of gallons of more water were used.
14:21:54 And the family cannot afford it.
14:21:57 I'm in.
14:21:58 Are there instances in the sewer where that might be the case? And that was just a question I had.
14:22:09 Brighter, pump, repair.
14:22:11 What would happen?
14:22:13 So someone decides to flesh Eric Jeans down the toilet and wind it up around the compeller on the grinder pump.
14:22:20 Purd is going to show up and pull that pump and drop a new one in.
14:22:24 That's gonna be a bill for.
14:22:29 An hour of true time, or whatever.
14:22:32 And then they're going to repair that grinder pump in the shop somewhere which could cost money.
14:22:40 But in that case it's their fault in the 1st sentence in this that I'm talking about like if the equipment fails, or you know, if some.
14:22:57 Unintentionally.
14:22:59 Damages the equipment. Right? That's not what I'm talking about, but that doesn't address it by 5 at all.
14:23:05 It is the second census of the property owner may be subject to compliance and cost.
14:23:10 Oh, I guess that is.
14:23:17 Well, what I was really getting at was, is there relief? Is there any kind of relief we want to build in for folks who just can't afford.
14:23:26 I think the relief that we're building in.
14:23:28 Is the fact that we actually own these pumps everything up to the control panel.
14:23:32 Because that means the utility is.
14:23:35 Taking care of it. So if there's a bleak.
14:23:38 In a line.
14:23:39 Or a valve, or something.
14:23:42 That's already gonna be fixed by.
14:23:46 The PE. And the county is. It's our system that we own and operate.
14:23:52 Keep in mind that.
14:23:56 Most grinder bumps.
14:23:58 In the city of Port Townsend, for example, are the property of the homeowner.
14:24:05 In this case, because this is a low pressure sewer system, 100% low pressure sewer system.
14:24:11 If you will.
14:24:13 Sections of gravity on site for some evil, but.
14:24:16 The Department requires that the.
14:24:19 Utility accounting own and operate those because they're critical to.
14:24:25 Performance of the.
14:24:27 System system there, in lieu of a centralized pump station, which would be on a utility.
14:24:35 Type, system.
14:24:37 Or for lift station. No, I think I think this conversation's been perfect for me. We don't need to deliver it anymore, because we have so much more to talk about.
14:24:45 I think I get it now.
14:24:47 Again.
14:24:49 Most those kinds of repairs like, believe you mentioned your water system. The.
14:24:53 Property, or wouldn't be built.
14:24:55 What they're gonna give for is when they.
14:24:59 Flash things. They shouldn't damage the system.
14:25:04 And I just.
14:25:04 Okay. Thomas, engine.
14:25:05 I just say 1 1 sentence to try to close it up.
14:25:09 The enforcement would be under title 19.
14:25:12 And there's a mechanism under title 19.
14:25:16 For voluntary compliance and settlements.
14:25:19 And you, and we would take into consideration.
14:25:22 Things like this. If it was.
14:25:25 Something had happened beyond someone's.
14:25:27 Fault.
14:25:28 And designing some sort of a settlement that would work, maybe.
14:25:32 There would be a payment plan.
14:25:34 As part of the settlement.
14:25:36 There's already the the prospect for that.
14:25:39 Through title 19.
14:25:42 I mean, I I think that was a big question, Eisenhower, and I think that was a good response from.
14:25:56 Any other questions on.
14:25:58 13 0, 4.
14:26:01 Almost caught up to where we thought we were last week.
14:26:02 And we're.
14:26:06 Your next crew here.
14:26:09 Something. So maybe we just love this stuff. I think.
14:26:19 Fees, or do you want to briefly jump into that? Or.
14:26:24 Yeah, I do set the stage.
14:26:27 Yeah, cause we we don't meet next week.
14:26:31 I mean.
14:26:33 I guess. What's what's the.
14:26:36 We have a timeframe that we're trying to get this.
14:26:39 We want to keep hitting us, so we'll be back every meeting.
14:26:43 We can. Sam and I are are here.
14:26:50 I mean, we could jump into just the high level stuff on tape like 5, 1 or something right now.
14:27:01 Sounds good. And I think, yeah, you said you're gonna add.
14:27:09 Feels like.
14:27:11 So we don't get too far away from the subject.
14:27:17 Public comment periods.
14:27:18 Wait, and just do one.
14:27:21 You know, fee fees and connection policies are obviously related right. If you're.
14:27:26 Required, to connect.
14:27:28 What are the costs so.
14:27:31 Anyway, these 13 4 and 13.
14:27:37 With a need of this org.
14:27:40 So what is your desire?
14:27:44 Do you? Wanna maybe just go over kind of the rationale, for in the draft here that you're presenting.
14:27:50 Yes, for the.
14:27:51 Monthly charges, and then, you know, I know like, for like last week.
14:27:56 We did that, and then.
14:27:58 Inspired a whole bunch of questions that we're then able to dig into. So you could do that. And then we have some time to.
14:28:05 Maybe work on some of those.
14:28:06 Us.
14:28:07 Questions that arise.
14:28:09 Sure. So we skipped a few slides and went right to the heart of the matter. Here Samantha.
14:28:19 So again, even before we go here, the the rationale for getting here is that
14:28:30 We? We need both customers, so we need their flow.
14:28:33 It's very important. And then we need the connection. So.
14:28:38 What we came up with over on the low income. Yeah, I was like, okay and non residential rates. The biggest difference between the 2 is residential rates are basically a base
rate.
14:29:01 That do not. We are not charging for water consumption, and the nonresidential rates are a base rate.
14:29:08 And anything over 4,000 gallons is charged. A consumption or volume charge.
14:29:15 So on top.
14:29:16 If you use more than 4,000, you're so your single family residence, and you use 8, 10,000 gallons.
14:29:23 You're charged extra on top of residential. You're just trying to. Okay, you will be getting talking to, probably from the PP. About water usage. But it would not be a we would
not charge.
14:29:36 So that's the biggest difference between the 2. And so the eruption is important. One equivalent residential unit is 4,000 gallons of water a month up to 4,000 gallons of water
month. It's an average usage, and so there's a multiplier that's added here, and it affects your monthly rate.
14:30:02 For residential, that.
14:30:06 Their general rules of thumb in the industry of what a.
14:30:10 Duplex and edu, and a multifamily a mobile home park and a.
14:30:15 Rv. Part would be for that.
14:30:18 4,000 gallons, or one Eru.
14:30:21 You're assuming that you're using less water. If you're one of the.
14:30:25 Residential customer classes below a single family, resident.
14:30:29 And so, therefore, an affection. Monthly.
14:30:32 But this, says residential rates, not related to water usage.
14:30:36 That's correct. So yes.
14:30:38 Those are. They're flat bills. And that's just how the math works out. And the reason it's shown that way is because those are very typical.
14:30:47 Factors point 7 is a very typical factor for.
14:30:53 Multifamily residential units. So you're not paying.
14:30:56 Quite as much as a standalone family residence.
14:31:01 That those are. Those are the.
14:31:04 Charges that would be monthly for those users, and it.
14:31:08 It's not based on water use.
14:31:16 It is when you get into commercial users, it's still based on the.
14:31:21 $80 Peru? Or is it a different based on $80 per.
14:31:27 Well, it's like for for commercial, it's for every 4,000 gallons per month is going to be another $80. Well, we need to get to.
14:31:45 We've used $2,080. If you use 3,999 gallons, $80.
14:31:52 Once you get the 4,001.
14:31:55 Gallons. It's $80, plus 2 and a half cents per gallon, which essentially works out to.
14:32:00 $100 for every.
14:32:02 Subsequent 4,000 gallons, and those at 2 and a half cents.
14:32:06 Was.
14:32:08 Pick based on again.
14:32:12 Looking at.
14:32:13 Sewer race throughout the region.
14:32:16 And.
14:32:18 Some other factors. I mean, this seems super cheap. We're talking about subsidizing, you know, operations. And that's you know, we expect that. But this seems really low.
14:32:37 Needed, and we had a very.
14:32:40 Methodically laid out presentation, but we kind of skipped ahead just to get to the.
14:32:45 The punchline here.
14:32:49 Get.
14:32:52 Questions on this table or other questions.
14:32:56 Very well laid out, maybe just for the future. Maybe that like a little confusing, that residential rates not related to water usage, maybe just because of like because they
are related.
14:33:09 Based on.
14:33:11 Standards. But just yes, you know.
14:33:12 I don't even just removing that. Yeah.
14:33:17 And in general, I mean.
14:33:19 The the sewer system is not going to be metered.
14:33:23 So even the the commercial rates say, are based on the pup billing. Historically, yeah.
14:33:32 Right.
14:33:37 The next slide.
14:33:40 The important part of this next slide is regardless of the eru multiplied.
14:33:47 The credit for low income for residential.
14:33:50 Is half or 50%.
14:33:53 And it's all based on one Eru. It's not based on the multiplier. So that's why you see 40 in every category.
14:34:00 Can I ask one question on the slide before so a 2 bedroom house or a 4 bedroom house, one eru.
14:34:08 Correct. It's all under a single family structure.
14:34:11 Thank you.
14:34:11 And it's.
14:34:13 Again typical.
14:34:16 Do it that way.
14:34:19 My sewer bill in Port Townsend is.
14:34:21 Fixed.
14:34:28 I just say that because I don't want.
14:34:30 The board to think that we're.
14:34:32 Reinventing the wheel. Here. We're trying to.
14:34:36 I mean, there's nuances in everyone's about how they do stuff, but we're.
14:34:42 Picking, probably the most typical way of doing structure which is.
14:34:48 Fixed rates for residential and.
14:34:51 Days plus usage rate for.
14:34:54 Commercial. We have some slides that show how we compare with other jurisdictions around us. Later.
14:35:01 Presentation.
14:35:03 Hmm.
14:35:06 There's no getting around.
14:35:10 The fact that when you have a low income program.
14:35:14 Other users are paying for that.
14:35:18 So let's just.
14:35:19 Say that upfront some money.
14:35:22 In estimating your revenues. Have you determined.
14:35:26 Which units are gonna qualify.
14:35:29 Yeah, they actually did.
14:35:31 Bob and Samantha and our consultants went through every property in the phase one area and.
14:35:39 Wanna say, Guest, but a pretty good idea.
14:35:43 What rate they would qualify for and came up with the revenue estimates. We're using percentage of alumni.
14:35:52 Thresholds or so. We have a whole section on the low income program that we could go into if we had time. And maybe that's our next workshop, but it's based on.
14:36:02 It's very
14:36:07 There's lots of ways to qualify for low income. We have quite a.
14:36:12 Smaller list.
14:36:14 And that's a part that you.
14:36:16 Really worked.
14:36:18 Consulted with the Purd, and also nonprofits.
14:36:28 Okay.
14:36:30 I think this looks great.
14:36:34 I know, I'm like, are we going to? Nonresidential? I was, gonna say, are we gonna continue for a little longer? Yeah, I think we should. Okay.
14:36:44 So this slide shows our non residential user charges, which is one eru.
14:36:54 Her. So it's a base rate, a monthly base rate plus consumption.
14:36:58 When you're over 4,000 gallons is what this slide really says, and then this one does a good job with the usage is determined by the Pds.
14:37:08 Water use readings.
14:37:10 Is that on a monthly basis.
14:37:12 Yes. Correct.
14:37:15 Hmm, and then we do have a process. This is good to mention that last bullet there is important. We do have a process in 3 0, 5.
14:37:23 We believe there's a few properties in here for the commercial.
14:37:28 One being the school in the library that do user water for irrigation. And so we do have a process in here to account for that to deduct that from.
14:37:41 Can you go in a little bit into how high strength waste is.
14:37:46 It's a great one. I'm in the definitions, right? Yeah, it's in the definitions. It's a really nice long formula that I tagged what I don't remember top of my head. I can look
at it, and then that the high strength waist charge is on top of that.
14:38:00 The charges, the base rate, the volume consumption, and that's the highest rate it it costs more theoretically to
14:38:10 To process tree entry.
14:38:14 And the h.
14:38:16 And that there's a whole section and 13. So this is different than stuff that's captured into.
14:38:26 Pre.
14:38:27 System, grease, trap, or something.
14:38:30 Oh, pre-treatment. Yeah, that's different.
14:38:33 Yes, treatment is
14:38:37 Regulated by department of ecology.
14:38:40 This is a portion of it in case something happens to your free treatment system.
14:38:45 And something gets.
14:38:48 This would be. I don't know that there's anybody that we have in the unit or in the area, but that doesn't make it not high strength. Ice cream has to do with the biological
oxygen demand, which is.
14:39:04 Like
14:39:06 Brewery.
14:39:08 They have really high.
14:39:09 EOD. Or baker, or something, a butcher shop, even if you're not cooking with 3,000.
14:39:24 Discharges.
14:39:30 Yup. Those are the. Unless there's more questions about numbers.
14:39:39 This is a summary.
14:39:41 Of kind of what Monty said earlier, about what the cost would be.
14:39:47 These are typical monthly bills for.
14:39:51 Different usage, and these are from.
14:39:54 Our what we have calculated.
14:39:57 From businesses, and finally, residents within the for area.
14:40:06 If you run a laundry man. I remember you talked about how the laundry was one of the highest water users.
14:40:12 And the equivalent of about 30 homes. 33 homes, something like that.
14:40:18 So the 1950 is that for the entire sheriff's complex.
14:40:21 It's, I think, everything that's connected in there probably.
14:40:29 Yes, please.
14:40:32 And this shows our monthly residential rate comparison with other jurisdictions around, and we're a little bit below the middle.
14:40:41 And then the table on the side.
14:40:44 Depicts.
14:40:46 The nice part is who has a flat rate, and who may have consumption charges attached.
14:40:51 And we are the arrow.
14:40:53 What are the colors in that chart?
14:40:55 Luke.
14:40:55 So the.
14:40:59 Green is a flat rate. The blue is what includes a consumption charge that's been.
14:41:07 Says in the top.
14:41:08 That's been.
14:41:10 Run at 4,000 gallons to get the number here.
14:41:16 Orange.
14:41:20 It's a median of some sort.
14:41:23 It looks like you could move up on that chair.
14:41:31 Charles Bird just jumped to a hundred.
14:41:34 This year.
14:41:37 Or not. Carl's work. Sorry, but they were at 96.
14:41:50 Yeah. Again, shows.
14:41:52 Of course our next door neighbor is the lowest one on the chart, which never.
14:41:57 Alps.
14:41:58 For now, but I expect that's gonna go up.
14:42:07 Yes, the Ev.
14:42:09 Yup. Okay.
14:42:11 This is the final one.
14:42:12 So this slide is comparing base rates versus
14:42:17 The volume measure charges, and the important thing in this one is the column that says, volume, allowance, and base.
14:42:25 The.
14:42:28 Our volume rates.
14:42:31 Our jurisdictions, that.
14:42:34 Charge.
14:42:37 The whole usage. So all the gallons they charge the volume right to it.
14:42:42 Where they have a number inside of it. It's from 3,740 gallons, and above, they only charge for that difference between.
14:42:52 Yeah, so we're again, we're more like Blaine, except if you look at Blaine, ours would say, instead of 124, it would say 80.
14:43:01 And instead of 3,740 gallons, would say 4,000 right.
14:43:05 And we would be the same 2 and a half cents per gallon over 4,000, and they're 2 and a half cents per gallon over 3.rd Once you get over 3,000.
14:43:16 What is Carlsberg so cheap? 4 squared starts at 0 gallons. You start paying.
14:43:24 So that's why it says, you start paying point.
14:43:28 1.2 cents per gallon for the 1st gallon you use, so if you use 4,000 gallons in carls, or.
14:43:41 And so I did a couple. So if you look at kits, commercial usage, they do not have a base rate, and I picked 4,100 gallons.
14:43:49 At their 18 cents. It'd be $73 and 80 cents.
14:43:55 1.8 cents. Yes, that, too. The math is right. But what I said is wrong, except for the total. Okay.
14:44:03 And then restaurant usage and kids would be 1 14.
14:44:08 100 and $14 and 80 cents.
14:44:10 And for us, with 80 plus.
14:44:15 The additional for 100 gallons we would be 82, 50.
14:44:19 So it is misleading to just look at the base rates and.
14:44:23 Just how they're structured is important.
14:44:29 So squam is.
14:44:31 Similar to us cheaper on the per gallon rate. But they're gonna get a little bit more from the base or rate upfront.
14:44:38 So probably pretty, equivalent.
14:44:42 Up to about 8,000 gallons, and then.
14:44:47 Ours, does a little more expensive works.
14:44:51 But again we're.
14:44:55 Probably in the middle here.
14:44:57 Gonna be interesting. After a few months of meters running right.
14:45:02 Other people get a little more.
14:45:06 Interested in water.
14:45:10 If they're getting charge.
14:45:12 Basically or inputting in a.
14:45:16 Irrigation may, or something like that if they're using a lot of irrigation water. But in, like Samantha said, there is a process for someone who.
14:45:27 Let's say they have a toilet on their property.
14:45:30 But they're using.
14:45:31 Do most of their water for.
14:45:34 Watering plants at a nursery. I mean, they're not gonna get.
14:45:37 Charged a sewer bill, and but they have to.
14:45:40 Come in and ask us to go through an evaluation of their.
14:45:43 Water usage to arrive at.
14:45:46 I mean. In that case we'd say, Well.
14:45:48 You're gonna get charged $80 a month for.
14:45:51 One a year.
14:45:54 And so.
14:45:56 Public works will keep having these conversations, even after operations and helping connections.
14:46:01 Is gonna be a public works process.
14:46:05 Yes.
14:46:06 Job security for Sam.
14:46:11 Although the beauty of me doing a lot of this right, but, like.
14:46:15 Taking, the.
14:46:15 Presumably.
14:46:20 Questions, about.
14:46:27 Come into the pud first.st
14:46:32 Customer service type stuff will be handled by the Pd. Calls.
14:46:36 Service interruptions and all that start there and then, if it turns into a.
14:46:40 More of a.
14:46:44 An action question or an extension question, or, if I did this, would I be required to connect question? Those will be.
14:46:54 And our way. But you know, initially, there's going to be a lot of.
14:46:57 Collaboration between.
14:46:59 Accounting, community.
14:47:01 Because this is all brand new.
14:47:03 Right.
14:47:05 Okay.
14:47:07 Good.
14:47:08 Exciting.
14:47:13 Here it is!
14:47:19 We'll just kind of, are we okay to keep going? Or, oh, okay, but
14:47:28 We have a very long spreadsheet for this operation and maintenance.
14:47:32 So we're gonna look at the column under annual budget. We'll get into the top part and future slides.
14:47:39 This breaks down where we receive how much.
14:47:43 In our 1st year.
14:47:44 We estimated what the cost per year would be to.
14:47:48 The plant as well as the whole. The whole system.
14:47:52 And so we have labor.
14:47:55 In here operation, labor.
14:47:58 Labored for. The treatment plant is the second line, the power for.
14:48:04 Everything except the grinder pumps as we talked about in slides before the grinder pump powers on the property owner themselves. And I'm sorry I just wondered. Maybe this is
a good stopging. Okay? Yes, okay.
14:48:17 And because we're gonna do public comments, and then that'll take us like 3. And then we have at least.
14:48:23 One other and we could get into kind of internal
14:48:31 Sorry to interrupt. I'm very interested in this. I.
14:48:39 These guys sitting around all afternoon waiting for us.
14:48:47 I don't think that will be forgotten. It's in our budget rationale.
14:48:56 Anymore.
14:48:57 Questions. Great stuff. Appreciate the word comments. You guys went shipping around and just see if there's any technical questions that come up in public comment.
14:49:06 Lyrics.
14:49:09 There we go. So we welcome public comment on the items we just talked about in the sewer draft, sewer ordinance and emphasizing draft. We're still.
14:49:21 Massaging this as you're seeing in real time. So
14:49:25 Would like to provide public comments, and you had your hand up earlier.
14:49:33 Anyone interested in providing public comment on the sort of deportance.
14:49:40 Another.
14:49:43 Bringing up ours.
14:49:45 Let's accept the promotion of panelists.
14:49:48 And it's absolutely.
14:49:49 Somewhat brief.
14:49:55 Good afternoon, Liz.
14:49:59 Okay. Can you hear me now?
14:50:00 Yes.
14:50:01 Hi, everyone. So yeah, thank you. That is a lot of paperwork you got going there. So.
14:50:08 Is the comment. Just about the sewer, or can we go back to the Edu
14:50:14 Comment, can I just.
14:50:18 Perfect. Thank you.
14:50:14 This is all within. All of this is within the draft sewer ordinance that we're discussing. So yeah, anything we discussed.
14:50:19 Thanks, Kate. Okay, so totally agree with Heidi on when you're remodeling a house. If the sewer is already an effective I'm sorry if the septics, already effective for the House.
14:50:32 And you do. I think what Heidi was trying to say is like a mother-in-law like you change the house to make an Edu within the house itself.
14:50:39 I don't want to speak for you, Heidi, but that's kind of what I was hearing. I absolutely agree that there's no reason to make that person flip over. That's A really a mother
suite.
14:50:50 Which is also slightly different than a DU or an adu. So an attach or detach, as Kate was saying.
14:50:57 So
14:50:57 Definitely when they're detached. I agree.
14:51:00 That, you know we should be hooking on if there.
14:51:04 Attached.
14:51:05 And they're just a remodel.
14:51:07 And the system, as Greg pointed out already, has the capacity, and maybe you need to add a certain amount of years, such as if it was put in less than 8 years ago, or 10 years
ago.
14:51:19 And you're making that switch.
14:51:20 That could be a qualifier, because if it's an old system.
14:51:24 You've got another stuff going on. So that's my comment on that. I can see that's gonna need some massaging. But it's a lot of balls in the air there, quite literally.
14:51:35 Second point was, on looking at the fees that are put forward, I have to admit and please excuse my ignorance on this.
14:51:42 How many.
14:51:43 Units are on phase one.
14:51:47 For.
14:51:49 That that the $80 price tag was put to.
14:51:53 And how many, I guess how many are in phase one, and how many are.
14:51:57 Expect it to connect within a 2 year period. I assume that's kind of how you got the $80. And I have to agree that, you know, I just pulled out my wastewater bill, and it's
$63 of my water of my, you know, Port Townsend.
14:52:11 So
14:52:14 I I would love it if our neighbors.
14:52:17 Couldn't have to pay more, and had lots than I pay in poor towns, and I realize that's just me being.
14:52:23 Trying to be a good neighbor, I guess.
14:52:25 That said.
14:52:26 Great job, and I don't have any more comments on that.
14:52:29 Thank you.
14:52:32 Thanks, Suzanne.
14:52:33 And who will respond to public comment.
14:52:35 After we hear from everyone.
14:52:38 Good afternoon, Sally.
14:52:43 Good afternoon. Thanks, you guys, for all your hard work. I just kinda have a question for Phil. Maybe.
14:52:51 Just going back to.
14:52:54 Previous. I remember when I was the permit tech for the county.
14:52:59 There are quite a few people that used to get pretty upset about that.
14:53:03 Believe it was called in no protest to connect, to sewer as soon as it was available. Whether their septic was new or old, is.
14:53:13 Is that not going to stand, or I guess I'm confused.
14:53:18 What happened to that? No.
14:53:19 You know.
14:53:21 Form they used to sein fill that they would sign connect to the sewer as soon as it was available.
14:53:29 Well, I think that's still gonna happen in areas where.
14:53:33 Sewer hasn't gone into a phase.
14:53:36 Which is.
14:53:37 Sort of the definition of availability and.
14:53:41 And 1819.
14:53:42 I think it's.
14:53:43 O'hara.
14:53:43 1 60.
14:53:45 But that's going to continue.
14:53:47 But what we're what I think Monty was talking about today was.
14:53:52 Try to come up with an adaptation of that.
14:53:55 Or when that.
14:53:56 When you're within a phase. Where has come in.
14:54:01 200 feet right.
14:54:01 And.
14:54:02 And and we need to work. We need to work on that. We're still working on that.
14:54:08 Issue.
14:54:09 Okay, I just thought maybe you guys thought it wasn't gonna stand up. I know it used to make them pretty upset that they had to sign that so.
14:54:17 Thank you.
14:54:18 You bet!
14:54:21 Thanks! Ari.
14:54:23 Anyone else.
14:54:27 Alright! Those public comments and do you wanna quickly run through the.
14:54:33 Numbers for the
14:54:37 Yes, we have.
14:54:40 I think it's 287.
14:54:43 Yeah, ER use.
14:54:48 Do you have a sense of how many are residential, and how many are.
14:54:51 Not a residential. That's good question. I don't allow her.
14:54:58 There's a slide. Which one is it.
14:55:02 3.
14:55:05 That one.
14:55:06 Mark. Can you bring the slide deck up? Slide 23.
14:55:14 I would say to the lizanne's comment, about the $80 versus 4 towns and 63 is.
14:55:23 Yes, the number of connections in the 1st 2 years was used to dial in that 80 number still requires a subsidy for the county that's nearly healthy.
14:55:35 As we showed in our comparables. There. Pt. Is the lowest.
14:55:40 We're actually lower than the average. Still, at $80. And I.
14:55:45 Predict what Pt. Would do. But I was a man, I'd say, that's gonna continue to climb.
14:55:52 That we've read about the condition.
14:55:59 Here to talk about their sewer, but.
14:56:02 I don't.
14:56:05 I wouldn't recommend that we lower our rates any further than we already have.
14:56:10 Just because of the need to.
14:56:12 To have.
14:56:13 Adequate revenue to operate sewers.
14:56:16 Which still requires a subsidy from the county.
14:56:19 It's.
14:56:20 Any small sewer which this is small, meaning not many users at this point.
14:56:27 With.
14:56:29 Revenue, and he replaced with
14:56:33 Because there's not enough people to start at the cost. So the.
14:56:39 Key to any sewer is getting more and more connections.
14:56:43 Because the cost to run it won't increase.
14:56:47 As rapidly as the revenue side.
14:56:50 There's just a certain amount of fixed costs. Obviously they come to running certain staffing level and.
14:56:57 Everything else. That doesn't matter. If you have one connection.
14:57:01 500 connections in.
14:57:03 Probably.
14:57:06 Much the same.
14:57:08 You got a runaway treatment plant? Yeah. I mean, the power usage will go up a little with more and more uses, you know the solid handling. But.
14:57:15 There's a lot of fixed costs in it.
14:57:17 Are gonna be the same again, whether you have one user connection or.
14:57:22 5 30, server connections.
14:57:26 Money, the.
14:57:29 Where's the subsidy? Is that 2, 47.
14:57:32 Yes, yeah. So we're we were in the budget. You and I discussed.
14:57:37 Creating the new fund for Emergency replacement.
14:57:40 And.
14:57:43 Taking, exit, sales, tax.
14:57:44 And populating that new fund.
14:57:47 And so the equipment replacement and the buildup Emergency Reserve 600 and come out of that.
14:57:54 And so the subsidy.
14:57:57 Would be reduced as the.
14:58:00 Apology, loan payment, which is being paid with correct.
14:58:03 But I would say that we there, it's.
14:58:07 Still be some.
14:58:10 Costly? Haven't.
14:58:12 Estimated 4. So.
14:58:14 You know, it's until we actually run it. It's hard to know. But yes, it could be lower than that, or.
14:58:22 Most of that. But yeah.
14:58:23 Some of those costs because of like.
14:58:27 Mark Sandy, administrator.
14:58:30 This.
14:58:32 Exercise built in an annual cost that was going to be have to be covered by the users or the county for building up an emergency reserve fund and a.
14:58:42 Replacement Fund.
14:58:43 Mark said.
14:58:46 Proposal and budget guidances to use some of the.
14:58:50 One-time sales tax that's generated by this 35 million project to just exceed that fund.
14:58:58 The tune of a half 1 million dollars, so that we don't have to.
14:59:01 Find that money elsewhere. I think that's a good idea. And then the.
14:59:07 This. This project is all you go back one.
14:59:13 This project is entirely funded in.
14:59:16 With Rance and Samantha worked hard to even.
14:59:21 Get us to the point where we don't have any match requirement with our Federal grants, which was going to be 20. Sam's hard work.
14:59:30 Because our community qualified for that. But that was a 6 month process to.
14:59:35 Agencies to show that.
14:59:38 Let that.
14:59:39 Ecology is.
14:59:42 75%, brand 25%.
14:59:46 Loans.
14:59:47 And low interest loan like half but.
14:59:51 A loan portion.
14:59:51 Which is a payment of about $87,000 a year, is going to be covered by our pim funds for 20 years.
14:59:58 The process we went through last year.
15:00:01 If if board.
15:00:03 Mark, so.
15:00:05 That portion comes out of that operating subsidy as well. We won't have any debt being covered by.
15:00:11 User fees, or.
15:00:14 County, so to speak, so.
15:00:15 User fees and county subsidies.
15:00:19 Operations.
15:00:20 And.
15:00:21 Or the percentage of non residential to to residential. It's 56%.
15:00:28 Of the Eru's is nonresidential.
15:00:32 And then, I think, a good thing to mention and you'll see in slides next time. They anticipate the next time. The 8, the 2 87. It'll take us a couple of years, maybe 2 and a
half years, to be able to connect everybody, hoping we have all the funds to do so.
15:00:50 So that's that's why the 1st year shows a little bit less.
15:00:55 Such a tiny single family number.
15:01:04 Alright. The phase. One area is primarily commercial and multi, or the mobile hall parks and the.
15:01:13 And then.
15:01:16 Things like that.
15:01:20 There's a few single families that are.
15:01:25 And we are getting more interest in the single family category as well.
15:01:29 But I believe this had to do with people who showed interest in the very beginning.
15:01:35 So that's a little misleading.
15:01:39 Thanks, you guys. And just, I mean to reiterate the value of not having to pay to hook up this.
15:01:45 Huge. Yeah.
15:01:47 It.
15:01:47 I think last time you had a estimate on the average.
15:01:55 Gonna say savings to the homeowner. But
15:01:58 So yeah, we made it just open bids for the.
15:02:03 Driving phase. 1st phase of connection. Yes, phase one stage one and a lot of those were higher water users.
15:02:12 Articles, if I.
15:02:15 From that bid. It looks like.
15:02:18 A single rider pump, with all the occurrences and everything piping.
15:02:24 Control panels.
15:02:27 The check valves and clean outs would be around 25,000, which is.
15:02:32 What we always set a connection point which is somewhere in the ballpark of a modern septic system.
15:02:39 You know.
15:02:42 Lot of benefit.
15:02:44 I do point out that.
15:02:47 The some of the larger connections to major water users were.
15:02:51 Much less than what.
15:02:53 Some of those users have spent recent years for septic repairs and something, and pumping, so I would say, sewer is.
15:03:06 Similar or cheaper than a septic system.
15:03:09 In, the.
15:03:11 Modern septic system for what we're seeing.
15:03:17 Alright. Well, thank you, to a continued, we're not here next Monday, so if you're around but schedule with Carolyn, we might not be here August 26, th either.
15:03:30 Shall we hold on to your map, though.
15:03:31 You were here. It's art for the walls.
15:03:44 Okay.
15:03:44 Bye, everybody!
15:03:45 But I think.
15:03:47 We're gonna roll into a workshop on Sb, 52, 90 implementation and Dcd study results as well. These kids are getting set up and gonna.
15:03:56 Went on the hall. If anyone else need to.
15:03:58 And Carolyn, would you demote me, please.
15:04:01 Well, everything got through water. Yeah, that's okay. You guys need a minute, I assume, to get set up.
15:07:23 No benefit.
15:07:23 Yeah.
15:07:28 Great, so I need to hop on. Zoom. I think I got it over there.
15:07:33 Not see you yet. I didn't know if you had a different name on it.
15:07:37 Gonna pop up.
15:07:41 You're the one in a webinar. I can't change my name, you know.
15:07:49 Yeah.
15:07:50 The ghost of DC.
15:07:55 Oh, she's.
15:08:02 Yeah, I'm having the same problem had the other day when you, when you go from multiple screens to one where my browser is popping up, or I can't.
15:08:13 Sorry to keep you guys waiting.
15:08:16 Well, I'm gonna keep you waiting.
15:08:45 Alright, I should be in there.
15:08:51 Chelsea. I don't see it. Oh.
15:08:59 About the accept promotion.
15:09:01 To canvas.
15:09:02 What's that?
15:09:03 I was letting her know how to get on.
15:09:10 You guys use Powerpoint or canvas.
15:09:14 Powerpoint. Old school. Yeah.
15:09:18 Do you use canva?
15:09:18 It's like, I'm a millennial or Gen. Z. It's so easy. No, I just don't know how to use power.
15:09:24 Mind if I share my screen.
15:09:26 Please, do.
15:09:29 Did you call back to Oregon.
15:09:31 I don't know, did I? I didn't hear order.
15:09:39 It's pretty quiet.
15:09:59 You just tell me what to do for you.
15:10:02 I think AI camera.
15:10:04 Yeah, to a degree.
15:10:10 Fiscal.
15:10:11 Hmm.
15:10:12 Perfect.
15:10:13 Kate.
15:10:16 If Josh Peters, community development Director.
15:10:18 I'm here today with the Dcd management team just in front of Administrative services manager, billing official and fire marshal, and they're very proud of the only for the administrator.
15:10:30 Be doing some of the talking, perhaps even most of the talking, but also hand it off to Bill and Greg for different segments. Gonna run the show and then chime in if it as needed.
15:10:40 So we're here today to talk about.
15:10:42 Results of a fee study that started actually in the fall of 22.
15:10:47 And then also talk about implementation of a bill that passed a couple of sessions ago that.
15:10:53 52 90, because I don't know 52, 90.
15:10:56 This is just a slide reminding not that you need reminder, of course, commissioners, but for anyone listening.
15:11:03 These are the things that we do at DC.
15:11:06 And we've been, as you know, ramping up parts of our operation, including the office of the farm marshals. I know.
15:11:12 Been entertained by Phil a few times in the past.
15:11:15 4 weeks. As we get into fire season.
15:11:19 Okay, so.
15:11:21 The board approved funding for a fee study that we arranged for. Andrew just wanted to update. Make sure that our fees were in line with with our costs. They've been a while
since the study had been done. We had updated this the.
15:11:36 With these, you know every year, according to the.
15:11:38 Cpi. The consumer price index. But.
15:11:41 I really hadn't taken a comprehensive look in a while.
15:11:43 So with the advice of prosecuting attorneys and the courthouse.
15:11:48 We entered into that project took a while to complete. We got a consultant on board with Back. Then there's there was big transition.
15:11:57 Especially around the development review team, the people that we're asking for information about how long it takes to do certain permits and.
15:12:04 And really trying to use the time tracking tools that.
15:12:07 That we developed during the process.
15:12:09 And then, for other reasons, they have some change over on their end, too, meaning consultant.
15:12:13 Bottom line is, we eventually got the results.
15:12:16 And we're here to talk about the.
15:12:19 The basics, those results today, the products that we got from results are.
15:12:23 A model that they call, which is essentially a really complicated excel spreadsheet. We gave them a lot of the information, and then they did a fancy formulas that they've used
with other jurisdictions. That's 1 of the advantages.
15:12:33 Working with this consultant as they had done this type of work.
15:12:37 At many other jurisdictions within Washington State. So they had to kind of all based on formulas at work.
15:12:43 That were considered reasonable quote when compared to the law, and how it's phrased.
15:12:47 And also based on case law, different ways of.
15:12:50 Making sure that you're determining which fees you can recover, and which which ones you can.
15:12:54 But what they ended up giving us was this spreadsheet.
15:12:57 And then some slides that describe the model. So that's what we got.
15:13:03 These are the goals that essentially, that were laid out. The beginning of the process really comes from one of their presentations. But again I mentioned that specific law.
That's where you get this.
15:13:13 Concept of reasonableness of fees if we get more into that, exactly what that means. Luckily, I think we still have with us. Maybe not. I know we demoted himself, but he's busy
around. He can get into questions around that. It's a it's a term apart, I think, from the law.
15:13:28 So all these things? We're part of the goals to go.
15:13:30 He's still there.
15:13:31 Okay.
15:13:32 In the wings in the wings. Right? So the guiding principles were. We wanted to look at the question of.
15:13:38 Are we getting a hundred percent cost recovery? And if not, what's the difference between what we're charging now? And what would be 100 cost recovery for those things that
you can.
15:13:47 Legally charge fees, for those are, those are direct costs of the permitting services. A reasonable portion of indirect support.
15:13:54 In a reasonable portion of overhead county and departmental costs.
15:13:59 And that that reasonable piece is what I mentioned when I said that. You know it's based on case law. Many times it's been tried in other jurisdictions and.
15:14:07 That's why this consultant had experience in that regard and had their formulas all based on.
15:14:11 That experience.
15:14:12 So we did not include certain fees that were.
15:14:16 That can be called general government responsibility.
15:14:19 That would be our progress of long range planning. We know that you get general fund just fund that part of Ecd's work.
15:14:26 Code enforcement. There may be ways to recuperate these through title 19, but generally we've got to pay for. We're not asking permit applicants to pay for essentially what
that means. What can we ask? Permit applications, applicants to pay for what can't be or shouldn't, and what we don't.
15:14:41 And the last part is that there's a certain portion the administration and management, like, for example, the manager of the department.
15:14:46 That are not cost recoverable through fees. Again, a certain portion of overhead costs. Yes, and then a certain portion, not, I mean, isn't normally 10.
15:14:56 Indirect.
15:14:56 I mean, what is there just a strict percent.
15:15:00 That is a good question, and I don't recall from our conversations with him.
15:15:05 I do believe the 10% was thrown around, but I don't know that it was. I don't remember where that generated from.
15:15:11 I do believe the 10% Judy Shepard calculates a county wide, indirect every year that it's around 14.14 overhead.
15:15:35 We can divert. Yeah, we charge sheriffs overhead and county overhead to calculate the cost of the traffic function. And so that's a legitimate technique.
15:15:46 So it's been enough time since we started this study that was in a position similar to Chelsea when we started this, and.
15:15:52 I have this vague recollection of.
15:15:55 The consultant asking us these kinds of questions, and I wouldn't be surprised if we gave him the 14.9. All kinds of figures about.
15:16:02 Accounting does business.
15:16:05 Right? Well, the key. The key factor is is your department.
15:16:09 Countywide, indirect, and I don't believe your department is.
15:16:14 I think public works might be the only department.
15:16:17 It pays 21.
15:16:20 I know that some costs that we pay rent, vehicles, software, all of those healthcare part of the model.
15:16:30 So these are some of the data that were gathered. Update the salaries and benefits. Of course it changed with the adoption of the Ufc. Bargaining agreement.
15:16:40 Between the time and the start of the study and the conclusion so.
15:16:44 Chelsea took the time to work with the consultant to update all of the.
15:16:48 Employee wages and benefits. Yeah, and that's important. Because that was a significant increase.
15:16:54 Course, it does mean that the model technically will be out of date. Say, the beginning of next year. Yeah.
15:17:03 So all of these things were factored in.
15:17:06 To the, and this is just kind of a snapshot of what the.
15:17:09 One of one of those sheets looks like there's lots of different tabs in this model that's.
15:17:13 That comprises an excel spreadsheet.
15:17:18 Here's the the punchline here, the end end of the story. Here we'll skip right to it, which is that our current base rate is $111 per hour, and the consultant says that the
result of the model is that to get a hundred percent cost recovery, we should be charging $123, and 20 cents per hour.
15:17:36 For our base rate.
15:17:37 And a lot of our permanent fees are based on a base rate of the number of hours that it takes to do a secure.
15:17:44 Not all of our communities, but.
15:17:50 And that current base rate is a hundred $11.
15:17:53 Here's an hourly rate. Comparison reminds me of the slide we just saw that public works show with other sewer systems. But.
15:18:00 This is.
15:18:02 Other clients, I believe, from this same consultant all over the map in terms of cities, counties, and support.
15:18:08 But, as you can see here, at least in this smaller sample.
15:18:12 Yeah, we're somewhere in the middle.
15:18:14 Of this group. There's the county charges, more neighbors, charges for Olympia that.
15:18:18 That makes sense to us.
15:18:21 But there's a smaller city, like one of the small Citiesville that charges less.
15:18:25 It's a.
15:18:26 It's in the same ballpark, anyway, and I should.
15:18:32 Share with the board that the shop read, shop is 125 an hour. So 123 is.
15:18:39 Reasonable.
15:18:41 And this chart is, are we looking at.
15:18:45 Or the shades, the labor and non labor? Or are they the what they should be charging, and what they versus what they are charging.
15:18:52 Labor and all labor. Thank you.
15:18:54 This adds up to 1 23, which is not what we're doing currently right.
15:18:58 This is what they suggest. Yeah. But this is, if we were to go to that, this is where we would advance.
15:19:09 So.
15:19:09 Bottom line.
15:19:14 Do I take afternoon? Absolutely. So. The base rate adjustment.
15:19:18 Would impact cost of services based on hourly fees.
15:19:21 So what we have here is, we have an example.
15:19:25 Of 2 different types of the current rate is, and what the proposed rate is. This is on a typical over the counter. Hvac. Permit.
15:19:33 For doing a heat pump, or some type of a.
15:19:39 Other types of possible water heater, other types of.
15:19:42 Permanence. And then underneath that is the cost of an underground. That's the current rate is, and that is what the new proposed rate would be, would go to the recoverable
rate of 100.
15:19:55 What this means is for a hundred recovery, for non-recoverable fees. We would update the Dcdp schedule.
15:20:02 As that short measures for compliance with Citib, 90.
15:20:06 Includes setting reasonable fees. Again, this is.
15:20:09 The whole point of this piece that was to prove those.
15:20:14 Yeah, that's that's a good transition point. Just.
15:20:16 If you look at the second or look at the top bullet, and then the second one fees not impacted. So just to clarify. And, Phil, you can clarify with some more detail.
15:20:26 Our billing permits are based on valuation. That's the main fee for a building actually won't change. But those hourly base fees associated with billing permit like extra inspection
time.
15:20:37 Would be affected. Correct? Absolutely. So that's 1 of the things that was not affected by this fee, was the valuation tables that we use. Those are set on the national model.
They're set by the International Code Council. So it is a little bit different. So what they do
15:20:53 Seemed the best way to explain this.
15:20:55 There's an actual model to take is what the national averages of construction.
15:21:01 And that is what we use as our estimate to evaluate what your project would cost, I believe, is around $136 square foot. And so we take that. And we charge a percentage of that
per the International Code Council. As a plan check fee. And then as what we would expect.
15:21:22 A project of that magnitude to cost for inspections.
15:21:26 And again, that is a pretty good estimate. We usually come in pretty close to that on the ones that we randomly sample to see how many times we had, how many re inspections
we had. We do allow for a certain amount of reinspections.
15:21:39 You know that that you won't pass on the 1st time, and some of those are built in Joe. The Joe will.
15:21:47 If we go out there, and you, family, give you the opportunity to correct it. If we go back out for the second time, and you're still not successful in passing your inspection
on the 3rd time. If you're going out 3 times for the same thing.
15:22:00 Then we will charge you every hour right?
15:22:02 But up until that point.
15:22:05 Unless we had a particular project that is,
15:22:08 Troublesome. That is a lot of reinspections that we could reevaluate. But most times
15:22:16 Some of that work is already built into the.
15:22:22 Okay. Senate Bill 52 90 s. Passed in 2023.
15:22:25 And there's been so various timelines for compliance, and I believe, with the agenda request.
15:22:32 We gave you the fact sheet from commerce.
15:22:35 As well as the bill itself. You can see that there's.
15:22:38 Different things coming up. One of those things is coming up on.
15:22:40 January first.st That's why we're.
15:22:42 We're scrambling now to to figure out what we need to do to prep for those effective gates coming into effect in that law.
15:22:51 So, essentially.
15:22:54 It affects RCW. 3,000 v. Local project review contains specific permit review. Timeline commitments by type.
15:23:02 Right now there's just standard 20 day language in the law. And now it goes to a bunch of different.
15:23:07 Bunch of different times, which will go on the next slide when I hand it over to Gray.
15:23:11 And one of the things that if we don't, if you don't do certain things.
15:23:16 That the law suggests that you do. Then you're subject to refunding fees. Actually, you only collect 80% of the fee upfront.
15:23:24 And you're only able to collect the additional 20. If you need those sessions.
15:23:29 So. But you can choose from this menu of things to do, and you can sort of exempt yourself from that because you can choose to do it. But we have to come to the board for us
to be able to exempt ourselves. So we're gonna go. That's the list that was in the yeah, the bill. Yeah.
15:23:49 There are some potential for Grant funds to help
15:23:53 Comply with this law.
15:23:54 A commerce is accepting applications. Now for this digital permit is a digitization of your current process.
15:24:01 We're all excited about it until the criteria. Now we're wondering whether we're we're really gonna be competitive because it seems to be based on those communities and have
super high volume. Maybe it's high volume by by half per capita, in which they would still, perhaps,
15:24:13 Be able to compete with the bigger accounts. In any case, we're going to apply. And then but we're looking at just ways to help fund our.
15:24:20 Epo and.
15:24:22 Transition process, which is still good.
15:24:25 In.
15:24:26 We also, as I've said before, when we've appeared in front of the board here, we.
15:24:29 We need to develop better tools for tracking our our permits. I mean, we're we're about to give you some numbers we are tracking. But to just add a level of sophistication and
formality to that that goes right along line right in line with.
15:24:43 Implementing 52, 90. So that's all part of the same system.
15:24:45 And we have a permit center coordinator who's 1 of her.
15:24:51 Our biggest challenge is to focus on that particular.
15:24:53 Aspect. So there's other folks, of course, that aren't here that have been.
15:24:56 Helping us with. This senior planner, unfortunately, is helping Greg.
15:25:00 Figure out how to do stuff both procedurally and what we need to change in our code, and he'll get into those details.
15:25:05 So my final point here.
15:25:08 Before we head into office, that we have to identify some code provisions that could be amended and.
15:25:14 It says in the law, then.
15:25:15 If you do it.
15:25:17 Before January first, st then you're able to to have more maneuverability with implementing the law. But if you don't, we fail to do something by the end of this year.
15:25:26 And these default provisions automatically.
15:25:28 Take effect, despite what our code would say. So already, we're gonna have an issue with like our codes being out of whack with the statute. So.
15:25:34 We decided as a team that we're really gonna try to do that. It just so happens that we gotta finish the 24 complaint docket gonna finish the short term metal package. We gotta
finish the feedback, I mean. So it's waiting waiting for us to finish before the end of the year. And of course we're always trying to. We're always trying to simplify streamline.
15:25:54 Things. We're gonna we're gonna hopefully tailor some aspects of what's fit.
15:25:57 The Jefferson County situation as best we can.
15:26:05 One more thing about fees before handing us off, so.
15:26:09 Adopting reasonable fees is one of the measures in that list of things you can choose from. You're supposed to choose at least 3, and we're gonna try to probably choose more
than 3, so that we're just safe at a safer bed.
15:26:19 And our interpretation of that, since it already says, reasonable statue is that.
15:26:24 What the law is really trying to say is.
15:26:26 Make sure that you're charging enough to maintain the right staffing level to deal with the permits that you get. So you get amount of time. In other words, you shouldn't be
saying well, we're not charging very much.
15:26:36 To as a favorite to our customers. But that means we gotta keep this lower staff level, which results in longer timeline. So the laws essentially saying, That's not a good way
to do it. So you should be charging.
15:26:46 100% perfect. That's in our interpretation of what that saying. Of course, it just says what it says. And so.
15:26:51 I looked at the bill report, and maybe didn't see the full picture either. But.
15:26:55 That's our interpreter interpretation of it. You know we have conversations with jurisdictions. Greg has had some, too, so everybody's in the same boat trying to figure out
how to implement this law.
15:27:04 That's what that second bullet is about is maintaining sufficient staff levels to meet those deadlines. There's even some things about.
15:27:11 Maintaining, you know, consultants on call, or even staff, that you could just bring on board temporarily, and then, when they're done with their firm review to get through
that surge and let them go again. That sounds great on paper. That sounds harder to implement from a Hr. And staffing and recruitment perspective. But you know there are some people
in the community that might want part, some work like that. So certainly on the on the table.
15:27:32 Course we've we've talked before about, and that's 1 of the reasons why we did the the new contracts.
15:27:38 For our staff is to make sure that we're able to keep people because it's that's really hard to.
15:27:43 Keep having turnover and get new people.
15:27:46 We wanna.
15:27:48 Streamline the processes and reduce the time to process the purpose. But we also want to maintain the quality of the permit decisions. Of course, if you rush stuff out, we know
that if you do it too fast in a sense, then if you're just paying on the other end, because then you've got.
15:28:00 Complains or things you have to clean up, or peels and things like that.
15:28:03 And then the idea is.
15:28:06 What we're planning to propose, and I'll go through next steps later. But what we're planning to propose is an update to our fee schedule that fully funds the permit center
operations with our permit fees to the extent that we can. 100% cost recovery because the bottom line is that we don't. Then we're the General fund is subsidizing that operation right
now. Technically, General Fund is subsidizing our permanent operations more than we thought it was. At least that's what the permanent.
15:28:30 Perfect of these studies. Tell us.
15:28:33 Yeah. And like, the next slide will show you that 52 90 says, after the 28 days we have to determine application, complete.
15:28:41 So we get 28 days on top of the.
15:28:43 We have 65 days to issue a type, one permit.
15:28:46 That has no Ceba.
15:28:49 We have a hundred days for a type, 2 process that has a notice.
15:28:53 And then we have a hundred 70 days for a type. 3. Permit that has public hearing.
15:28:58 And all those time periods would be trapped inpl.
15:29:03 And so we're basically setting that up. So it turns on and off the thought.
15:29:09 There's certain things in this bill that we can basically exempt out. You can exempt out certain type of permits. And what type of permit that we probably want to exempt out
would be like a Site development review.
15:29:18 And that's kind of like it's a pre application type process.
15:29:21 And so that gives us the ability to figure out what's going on with the parcel and look at everything.
15:29:27 Upfront. And so then, when they came in for the actual permits, we could actually meet these deadlines.
15:29:33 Can I ask a question about that? Bless you! Are you getting the other permit at the same time as the Sdr. So.
15:29:44 Right. That's why we're doing it currently.
15:29:46 Okay.
15:29:47 The the other thing is that.
15:29:49 To avoid the 10 or 20.
15:29:51 Percent refund of the fees you have to implement. 3 of us.
15:29:54 3 to 10 provisions outlined in that.
15:29:58 In the lob.
15:29:59 And.
15:30:00 Right now we have.
15:30:01 Our next slides shows that you know that 1840 is how we.
15:30:05 Do our permit applications and procedures.
15:30:08 And that defines the different.
15:30:11 Types of permits, the review and appeal processes, and also it.
15:30:16 It allows us to take the turn the clock on and off. If we ask for additional information.
15:30:22 Already. In 1840 we already meet.
15:30:27 At least 2 of the provisions. That's the one open record. Hearing.
15:30:31 One closed record hearing. And so that's 1 of the 10 provisions that they outlined.
15:30:36 The other one is to basically have an optional pre app.
15:30:40 And right now in our code. In 1840.
15:30:44 Oh, and I know it, says the Administrator can waive the pre-appointments if the permit is is simple, and it's unnecessary.
15:30:52 There's other provisions that we already do, too, is we already have an on call service with our with our consultants, like we have well, and other ones that are already on
call and contracted. And so, if we need help with like Sdrs or something, we already have that capability built on, and that was one of those 10 requirements that we could do.
15:31:12 The other thing is the reasonable fees. And that's what we're talking about today.
15:31:17 There's 6 other provisions that we could do.
15:31:20 And I'll go through them. Really.
15:31:23 It's to expedite certain types of reviews.
15:31:27 A better consistent with your development regulations.
15:31:31 And that's like how to streamline the process.
15:31:34 Another one would be to have an interlocal agreement with, like the city point. And if someone like that and the other one is having new positions budgeted.
15:31:44 Contingent on increase in a revenue. So that's just the financial thing that you know. Many good business should do.
15:31:51 Adopting a program to have outside consultants. And I think this would be something that, like Phil would could explain. But that'd be like having the.
15:31:59 Bummer certified. The plumbing's been met, so we don't have to do like additional review. They could just submit like an install. This design and type letter.
15:32:07 Yeah, I love that idea by that. Do you guys like that one.
15:32:10 Fair enough.
15:32:11 That!
15:32:13 Where was it outside, you know, to certify components.
15:32:20 Yeah, that seems like something that.
15:32:21 Like, I'm I'm looking at this and saying, what's gonna make a headache and what's gonna make it streamline our operations. And it feels like.
15:32:28 When we can rely on professionals that we work with all the time.
15:32:32 To.
15:32:33 What we might ask, what we do on be boxes, someone's build something. And then an engineer certifies built to the building code. So that's kind of what that.
15:32:44 And then you get a clouded.
15:32:46 Confirm if it's certified it so we haven't inspected it. But.
15:32:49 We think it's okay.
15:32:51 And so that's it.
15:32:52 Kind of more for people to do things like after the fact, I think, or.
15:32:57 What did you say you said for Greg? Currently, someone build something, and then they want to get a permit when they sell it. And then we make them get an engineer. They don't
make them rip out those policies. They can.
15:33:10 Certified that the engineers looks like a room, and it's built to code.
15:33:15 The the other thing that.
15:33:17 There is like right now, after you ask for.
15:33:21 Additional information. Then you ask additional information. Again.
15:33:26 And then sometimes you can keep asking for additional information.
15:33:29 One of the provisions they outlined is after the second time you asked for additional information. You either approve or denied the permit. So you basically like, if they say
I'm not going to give you that event, you say, Okay, well.
15:33:40 Who's your denial? Or here's your like. You have to review it as is.
15:33:44 So that's kinda nice for an applicant not to keep going, whether something's required or not.
15:33:52 And.
15:33:53 And then the last one is adopting development regulations that make housing types and outrated use in all zones or housing types are permitted, and this one sounds weird. But
if you think of the
15:34:05 The iod have a Qga.
15:34:08 That's when we did when we update our development, we're gonna say, duplexes try flexes are limited use.
15:34:15 And so this would really be applicable for, like the growth area.
15:34:21 The next slide. I don't really want to go through this too much, but it's just the current queues of permits that we had.
15:34:27 You know we've had like 700 Sdrs.
15:34:30 We've issued 5, 75.
15:34:32 We have a we have a queue right now of 42.
15:34:35 Last month we had.
15:34:37 You know 30, 39.
15:34:39 Issued a week and.
15:34:42 21 came in. So we're we're getting through them.
15:34:44 This is brand new. We're doing better. Sdrs without. Well.
15:34:49 We're doing them quicker and they're more thorough in our we're providing a dental development for each one.
15:34:57 And that's Emily, she's she's our.
15:35:07 The we had some building permits.
15:35:09 The other thing we're doing is we're doing these.
15:35:13 And so those are at the end of our Sdr. If it says you have to combine a lot.
15:35:19 We're having Lila work with the Assessor to consolidate, to assess your parcel numbers into one.
15:35:26 And so that's a process that we streamlined. And it's working really well. And everybody enjoys that process. And it.
15:35:34 It's it. So it's really obvious, like, if you only have one parcel number, then of course, you'll have.
15:35:39 When legal record. So it's kind of nice to be able to process.
15:35:45 We've issued about 30 building permits.
15:35:48 100 and 20 residential pill building permits. In 2024.
15:35:53 And right now we have about 52 building permits that we're under review, and that's Andy Lil are doing most of those.
15:36:01 And the thing that we we strive for is not to be the last. You know, there's environmental health public works.
15:36:08 Building and planning, and so we don't want to ever be the last one holding up a permit, and so I don't think.
15:36:15 Quite a few from us right now.
15:36:16 I think Phil's gotten through all his. Now, you know, we're having to catch up.
15:36:24 The next slide just talks about this.
15:36:27 It's.
15:36:28 The current timelines, and for, like a type, one permit.
15:36:31 You know we're not meeting any of these time.
15:36:34 Timelines, right now.
15:36:35 But you know, last year we've lost 13 staff. We have brand new staff. We're basically.
15:36:40 Teaching everybody how to do the permits, and we're getting better every day, streamlining the process.
15:36:46 The type one permits.
15:36:48 Be like a building. Permit a boundary line adjustment. They're averaging about 120 days.
15:36:53 We're supposed to hit 65 days plus 28, which is like 93 days.
15:36:58 So I don't think it's gonna be that hard.
15:37:01 For Type 2 permit would be like a short plan. We're averaging about.
15:37:04 4 months, and so.
15:37:06 That's kind of within the 100 days plus the 28 days. Type 3. Not really doing very well on those should be done in 100 days, plus 28 days.
15:37:16 Last 2 or 3 or 4 that we've done. They're taking about a year.
15:37:19 And so I think those are ones that.
15:37:22 We can get those done a lot quicker
15:37:27 Just because.
15:37:29 I've done a ton of themes there, a ton of them.
15:37:31 David said. A ton of them.
15:37:33 That's doing good.
15:37:34 The.
15:37:35 The shoreline, the.
15:37:37 Agriculture ones. And so I think part of the reason why those work done is we just didn't have the staff that do them.
15:37:44 Another reason if I could jump in. Just be this waiting. On hearing Examiner decision piece
15:37:49 It's a lot easier to have, of course, when it's in your direct control, and I would say that hearing at best is an indirect control.
15:37:56 And only through contractual relationship with county. In other words, like.
15:38:00 The Harry happens, and we're just late and.
15:38:03 Really have much to some real delays. In the last year, too, they did a hearing like, I wanted to. Yeah, yeah, I did. One may.
15:38:12 Aid that I haven't heard the decision yet.
15:38:14 And so like if we wrote that.
15:38:17 1840. The amount of time it takes, we might say.
15:38:22 Peter, we have a hundred 70 days to get it to hearing, let's say, like we could. I think we could specify.
15:38:27 That.
15:38:28 Is. That's when we've.
15:38:31 Given it a recommendation to the hearing. I have to say, I have not heard a clear answer.
15:38:36 From a legal advisor, or from.
15:38:40 Somebody in commerce, or from any other jurisdiction about the question of.
15:38:44 What do we do with the time frames when we send it off to the earnings? I mean, it's not. It's not really clear. And.
15:38:49 Maybe we just need to take a chance and just write it the way we think it should be done. Or the other issue is that? Yeah, you can say that we're gonna put. We collectively,
all the local church governments are gonna put more pressure on the hearings in their community. But that community is pretty small.
15:39:05 And you know there's only some. When we go out to pay. For example, my understanding is, last couple of times we tried to find a way on one applicant. So.
15:39:12 It's not really as simple. It's just that you know what I mean. And I don't know whether more people are gonna decide to come here, or what? But.
15:39:18 It's a bigger. It's a bigger issue than just servicing.
15:39:23 Will you help me understand this last bullet point? So if.
15:39:27 You, we adop.
15:39:29 At least 3 of those measures.
15:39:31 Even if we're not meeting the timing deadlines, we don't have to return the 1020.
15:39:40 Hmm.
15:39:41 It just exempts us from the penalties. But of course we're gonna try to meet those.
15:39:46 Yeah.
15:39:48 Yeah, we only need 3 or 4 of them already, because I think our 1840 s. Pretty good with our, you know, permanent.
15:39:57 From an application procedure, policy.
15:40:00 The.
15:40:01 The next slide just talks about how Dcd. May try to meet, like the 65 day timeframe for a residential building.
15:40:09 The reason why I pick this one was.
15:40:12 That's the main permits that we issue.
15:40:14 And so.
15:40:15 The one thing would be like you'd have a more detailed site development right now.
15:40:20 We were.
15:40:21 At the beginning. We're providing Sdrs. But if somebody says, you know, I'm.
15:40:26 And we're already this house, you know. We want to know.
15:40:29 What the wetland is, how your access locate.
15:40:32 All that stuff right up front.
15:40:35 And with that.
15:40:36 It's kind of like the Spad we used to do.
15:40:40 Where you'd.
15:40:41 You'd give all the reports and all that, and then, if you went into that area, it was just. It was just a guess.
15:40:48 The other thing is, you know, we.
15:40:50 If we're trying to meet this deadline, we'd have more detailed application requirements. And that's because right now.
15:40:58 You know we're taking 4 months on a building from it, but some of that we're waiting on, Phil. We're waiting on Terry Duff.
15:41:04 And so.
15:41:06 We can't really say, explain to people, hey? Your permit has.
15:41:10 You know, 3 out of 4. We're not.
15:41:14 We're not ready to issue the permit.
15:41:16 And so what that would do would say, we're not, you know, like, if you want to meet the 65 days, we'll say you need an approved septic permit. You need your all your reports.
You need all your.
15:41:28 All your discretionary like your voice reduction. So there's nothing.
15:41:33 You know, set that could slow it up.
15:41:36 And that's what the big jurisdictions are doing to basically meet that timeframe.
15:41:42 And you know we can do that. Or we could say, if the app wants to work with us to go back and forth like we're currently doing.
15:41:49 We can both sign a behavior.
15:41:53 You. You're not sick. You're not trying to achieve like the building 65 days, so we can work back and forth with you.
15:42:00 So just to illustrate this point a little bit more, we created the Site Development Review process, and it was intended to answer the land, use questions upfront so that then
you could go and pack. You know, when you get to the building permit level. You've already answer a lot of those questions, and that makes that second part a lot faster before everything
was sort of all trying to be figured out at once. That includes the septic. Permit everything there or the road approach, and everything there.
15:42:21 It's almost as if perhaps it's like an inadvertent result.
15:42:26 Of this law of this bill becoming law, that bigger jurisdictions are saying, well, you're not even gonna.
15:42:32 Qualified and apply for a building permit, unless you get your septic permit from an application in. But your septic permit so.
15:42:39 It's interesting. My understanding is that the bill was pushed by the Business Building Industry Association of Washington as the main force behind it.
15:42:46 And there are some questions, I think, from how to do it. And now those questions are being resolved in the implementation phase. But the bigger jurisdictions like Greg said,
are deciding. Well, you basically have to have a perfected application. Have your subject already. That's not how we do things. Here. We accept multiple applications that generally,
once you get through the Sdr. And even that one's a big change first.st But.
15:43:06 Right now, like, we're.
15:43:08 Working together as departments, reviewing stuff at the same time. Just kind of jumping like this, until all ready to issue.
15:43:13 And I don't know if that's going to be able to be possible to meet those timelines unless we figure out a way to turn the clock off while you're getting your septic stuff reviewed.
Might as well just get the permanent upfront after you get your Sdr, so we're trying to figure that, and what grade is saying it is. There's a provisional one that says, you know.
15:43:29 You can enter into more of a voluntary agreement about how it's gonna happen. And that would be sort of like, someone would say, especially for those applicants who are used
to working with us a lot. And they're used to producing. We know exactly what we're getting from them sort of the professional designers, and so forth.
15:43:42 Maybe ask more for them as they come in with the package. We already know what they're gonna be up to, and we already have a relationship, and maybe they'd be willing to wave
those additional requirements. So we can just go with the traditional back and forth. We're trying to look for flexibility to try to tailor our.
15:43:57 Our processes are different.
15:43:59 Right, and it takes a lot of work going back and forth with people. And so it'd be easier for us to have everything upfront, you know, like in.
15:44:08 Yeah, you have your.
15:44:10 Some of some of the building permit, and the septic permit is a separate permit, and they would just sign off on it. And like here. We like our Sdrs.
15:44:18 We send it over to environmental health. And they.
15:44:21 Give us their review as part of it.
15:44:23 And I'll like hold it up unless you like.
15:44:26 Side of Covid, providing lots.
15:44:28 Everything so related.
15:44:30 And openly what people are complaining that takes too long.
15:44:35 They see the county is one.
15:44:37 Or you know when.
15:44:39 One entity, and they don't like.
15:44:41 They want you to say, Well, it's not our department, it's another department. It's it's always us. So we always have to work together to try to make sure that we all coordinate
our reviews.
15:44:52 Nope.
15:44:55 All right, so.
15:44:56 Here's the schedule that we were thinking, although I think I just overheard that maybe August 26th is in jeopardy here, so maybe we'll have to adjust this. Yeah. Well, this
started to talk. So we are meeting with Commerce Staff. We requested a meeting with their subject matter experts. They offered. And so we're gonna ask some questions around implementation
of this law specifically with them.
15:45:19 August 5.th We were planning a workshop.
15:45:22 To actually bring out. Then the proposed fee organs and resolution, working closely with the pao and Philip.
15:45:28 And then we can review the specifics on the proposed DVD fee schedule update. That would be a result.
15:45:35 So essentially in our minds, implementing 290, and the fee study.
15:45:40 Then we're taking the cups. Then we just make sure the board questions are answered. Perhaps not that.
15:45:46 Same level of details you're working with on their feet on their serial ordnance, because.
15:45:50 But in any case offering a chance to come back the next week, if necessary, to get that hearing notice approval. Then we're thinking about publishing those dates.
15:45:58 And then having the hearing on the 26.th But if that's not gonna work, we might just.
15:46:03 Push that up and ask for the notice to happen at the same day where we're giving you the.
15:46:08 Heads up through a workshop on the org. Sure, we can talk to Mark about how he wants to schedule that, and whether augment or isn't a board meeting? The reason why is we were
targeting September 1st and effectively for a fee schedule.
15:46:21 August 16.th Just want to mention this briefly, that.
15:46:23 This is part of that larger conversation.
15:46:25 That we have with our clientele, including the monthly Zoom Meetings that Greg and Phil and Erin and.
15:46:32 Others participated.
15:46:33 But we we wanted to offer an open house.
15:46:37 For our customers.
15:46:39 On a Friday morning here to just have people go from station to station and.
15:46:43 And kind of get a gauge of what we actually do a little bit more about that. Yeah, it'd be like a chance for them to come up and see, like the the cam or the intake for planning,
or the building intake.
15:46:54 The new Css. Portal, the Sdr. Legal record, and then some other general questions. So you know, they go to maybe 4 or 5 different stations, and they could come ask questions
and actually see how that.
15:47:09 Sausages, made.
15:47:11 Yeah, we picked a day that you know. Normally, our lobby is closed. So we don't have a special event kind of day.
15:47:18 Can we do the.
15:47:19 The public hearing on the 19th of Monday before.
15:47:24 Yeah, still meet your deadline of it's definitely possible. I had originally thank you for advising to August 19, th but I thought, you know.
15:47:32 We'll just have a little bit more time in case, you know, we come to the board with this or a lot of questions. Or maybe it's a different opinions about it. And so we just built
it a little time. But that would be the adjustment, as I would move it up and have August 5th be the notice, and then, so therefore we punch in the leader.
15:47:48 You know, the 2 weeks prior to that 2 weeks segment had the 19th hearing.
15:47:52 I'll be here on the 19.th Well, we'll talk. We'll talk to Carolyn. Just get that scheduled piece, too, is like.
15:48:03 We're looking at.
15:48:04 You know how long it takes a process permits, and the fees could change a little bit for us.
15:48:11 And so right now let's say a show.
15:48:13 We charge for 7Â h.
15:48:15 And we're talking about. Maybe.
15:48:17 If you meet the standard 60 foot setback, you know, and charge 2Â h for that type of permit. And so there'd be some.
15:48:24 Some fees that might actually go down.
15:48:27 Now that we've I've been here like a year, so we know how like, how long.
15:48:32 And my staff more experience, and we we have a better idea that.
15:48:36 You know, like a conversion. Option doesn't really take 7Â h, though I think we we could do that one quicker and.
15:48:42 These lot consolidations, you know. Currently, they're supposed to be built for 4Â h. The other thing was like with the sites about site development reviews.
15:48:52 Josh is like, can you do all the cart? Yeah, I can do all the cart.
15:48:54 So if you already have a building or house, you know we already have people on the recordings charge 42Â h.
15:49:04 Just for that, because we won't have to do the part. So we're not just charging for.
15:49:08 A site development review that helps the apples helps us out is we'll have to do this big, long thing, for someone just wants a shop to their house, or something like that.
So we'll come back with all the details on our proposal, which we're in the middle of developing. But bottom line is.
15:49:22 We are gonna propose that our hourly rate go up, but we're gonna propose.
15:49:27 Some of the fees that actually go down based on what Greg is saying, that our experience with taking hours for the typical ones.
15:49:33 And then we'll charge extra if we have to, for the more complex ones. We'll put that right in there, and also.
15:49:38 We have a variety of situations where he's been doing more of an all, a carding for different levels of a site Bill. But we'll actually specify it a little bit more. So.
15:49:47 It'll be easier for the customer to pick out. I want this one, you know. I have special reports. I want you to review.
15:49:52 I have a I have my design already, and I want you to look at that early. Okay, great. Well, that'll be like an extra, you know, tacking on our or I have 20 acres, and.
15:50:02 You know I have. Even if there's a wetland in the corner, we don't need a report. Okay? Great. That'll be simpler. Just really specify it, based on the situation.
15:50:12 Okay, just last couple of slides here. Just this is also refreshing. Everybody's
15:50:17 Understanding of what else we're working on in the midst of this. So this is a little bit of a tricky wild card to try to figure all this out in the same year that these other
things are happening.
15:50:25 I just want that new addition at the bottom is.
15:50:29 That we've.
15:50:30 We really think we need to do some code for the end of this year because of the January first.st
15:50:36 Effective date of some of the provisions, including those timelines.
15:50:42 And then just a recap here.
15:50:45 As everyone knows, we're still.
15:50:48 Learning the ropes, even though we've we've been climbing the rups now, for, as Greg said, a little over a year, so.
15:50:54 For the new management team, but.
15:50:55 There's stuff happening. There's full platter.
15:50:57 I was like always looking for chances to approve. And so in some ways, even though 52, 90 is, I just expressed some frustration about having to do all this at once.
15:51:06 It is also an opportunity. So it's an opportunity for us to.
15:51:10 Make some changes to our processes, to our code.
15:51:13 To our application forms to our guidance, to line it all up.
15:51:17 And it's just kind of.
15:51:18 Putting our feet to the fire, if you will, to make sure that happens in a timely fashion, and then, of course, then we have the new.
15:51:24 Timelines that we're operating under.
15:51:27 So in terms of the fee schedule, we've got a result.
15:51:29 We're not getting a hundred percent cost recovery if we don't do that, and it's a demand on the general fund to run our permanent program which.
15:51:37 Isn't ideal. If you think about it from the standpoint that we can break those fees.
15:51:42 And.
15:51:44 If we need to update our fee schedule, then to have that 100 cost recovery. And we think that's 1 of the ways that we could.
15:51:48 Pick from that menu of things to comply with 52, 90.
15:51:54 Before you ask questions, commissioners on 2 things.
15:51:58 I think you see an awesome team here.
15:52:02 Very good. Question.
15:52:03 And 2.
15:52:05 I'd like to ask that you support the 100% cost recovery fee schedule.
15:52:11 That's it.
15:52:13 I have a question.
15:52:15 So
15:52:17 1st of all, I wanted to say, I've been getting really great feedback from folks in the community about.
15:52:24 Their interactions with Dcd. Lately, I mean unsolicited. So.
15:52:29 It's just a reflection on y'all, and I just wanted to.
15:52:31 Share that. And I'm not not. I'm not asking for the feedback. I'm just.
15:52:36 People say, oh, you're County Commissioner, you know.
15:52:38 So anyway, I've gotten like 3, but good ones.
15:52:43 Question I have is on this cost, recovery, fee.
15:52:49 Covering the fees so.
15:52:53 In some instances.
15:52:57 A simple question. When do we anticipate.
15:52:59 That we'd have to do it. Our next increase.
15:53:03 Are, we are, we.
15:53:05 Another way to say that question is, are we increasing the fees enough.
15:53:08 Truly.
15:53:09 Are, we gonna have to increase fees again and.
15:53:12 18 months.
15:53:14 3 years.
15:53:15 The the fees are increased, based on Cpi every January.
15:53:20 But even.
15:53:22 Though we do that we steadily fell behind.
15:53:25 And so
15:53:27 Am, I.
15:53:29 23 and a half years in county government. You you do a fee study.
15:53:35 Once, every, maybe 5 to 7. Okay.
15:53:38 And.
15:53:39 We haven't done one in this county.
15:53:43 And recorded memory. I don't know when the last time was that there was a fee study 7 years, anyway, because I that's how long I did. That's helpful context, cause I I was just
like.
15:53:54 Having this fear that needs and wants me asked again to do. You know another fee increase? And that's kind of gives.
15:54:00 The public or the customers kind of that.
15:54:03 You know, in an ideal world.
15:54:05 We would.
15:54:07 Be able to maneuver with this model, such that we could actually just manipulate the model when there's new variables like, for example, a wage change based on the on the wage
table for a given year, or something like that.
15:54:18 And we may end up trying to do that experiment with it and see if we can do it.
15:54:23 At the very least, we had this model. So we we had a smaller contract with that same consultant or another consultant. I think we can get some assistance to make sure we're
doing it correctly.
15:54:32 And do it. As as Mark said every few years think. To me it seems like the best natural fit would be when the Usc. And a new one gets in its place. That seems like a good juncture,
because then we know more about the next few years look like, even think ahead a little bit more next time to the end of that contract.
15:54:57 When you give your workforce.
15:55:02 Increases in the Cpi. Adjustment for this year was.
15:55:05 Considerably less than that. Well, then, you fall behind.
15:55:09 And and so.
15:55:11 Now that we've.
15:55:12 We've got this fee study. We have the model like you, said Josh, that we could re-engage that company, and they could just update.
15:55:21 The study for.
15:55:22 A fraction of what the full blown study calls.
15:55:25 So you could actually look at your fees rather than 5 to 7. You could maybe do 3 to 5.
15:55:32 I just know what the the 10 or the.
15:55:35 Cycle was, and I should say we don't have it on the agenda. But I I think it'd be good to take public comment today.
15:55:44 Craig, any thoughts or questions? No good presentation, I mean, it feels like the beginning of the conversation. And I I like where everyone's gone. I support 100 cost. I mean,
we supported Dcd. I. I think, at every request. And I, you know we we want the organization to work. Well, you're one of the biggest faces of the county, and I like like Commissioner
Eisenhower. I've been getting.
15:56:04 Rave reviews recently. So you know, there's, you know, there's always a little static, and you know you hear about the people that are frustrated for whatever reason. But I've
been hearing a lot of unsolicited compliments on.
15:56:15 Not just the efficiency of the department, but also.
15:56:19 The welcoming attitude that's really great to hear.
15:56:22 Well, that is fantastic here, cause I know that every customer is going to be assets, those that you've talked to lately, because you know.
15:56:29 It will run into snags and their projects and.
15:56:33 You know we're the ones holding them up, even if there's basis. But I think that you know it's a good reflection, all of us, and especially Chelsea and her team upfront for
just having that.
15:56:41 That's good for.
15:56:43 Setting, the.
15:56:44 And I know she works with her team very closely on, just having a good attitude, no matter what, and.
15:56:49 Try to de-escalate. But there's yeah start to go off the rails.
15:56:54 One question I have is so it sounds like this would be coming forward in a resolution.
15:57:03 And or would there be actually be changed to 1,840, or elsewhere?
15:57:10 Remember, our fees are all different. Yeah, 2 different things. So so, Commissioner Dean, I spoke with the about this, and my understanding was that.
15:57:18 Other departments have gone through this process where they're gonna transition from having.
15:57:22 Fee schedules adopted by ordinance all the time to resolution. But in order to do that, there's a Combo package ordinance and a resolution, and I will be working with closely
on that.
15:57:32 So that's the 1st piece which we're anticipating. We're hoping to put before you in the month of August, so that new fees would take effect. September first.st
15:57:40 The other thing. The 1840 changes we're looking to do before the end of the year. Greg and Munchi and others are gonna work on that. That would be typical process by ordinance.
15:57:50 Normally, those kinds of things would go through the planning commission, and if we have time and ability to do so, certainly we will. I am checking around to see whether this.
15:57:58 Could be under more of an expedited thing, since it's more procedural than it is a land use rate per se. But if we have time where I'm talking about the long range team like
Joel and others.
15:58:09 About sort of.
15:58:11 Squeezing in the end of the year. Planning Commission's gonna be.
15:58:13 Finish their work on the docket and amendment cycle. Hand it off to you.
15:58:17 For the for the decision in the fall.
15:58:19 And then the wild card is, then we have other things, too, at the short term. When are they gonna finish that.
15:58:25 But if there's a little bit of time normally they sort of take a little bit of a break in November and December to get ready for next year, but we might have them working through.
15:58:33 Month, November, so we could get your package in December. So you might actually see.
15:58:37 The compound docket package, and this other set of rigs alongside it, essentially of a different, more expedited timeline.
15:58:44 Okay.
15:58:46 And will you remind me.
15:58:49 And.
15:58:49 I hope you see the nexus. Why, I'm asking here.
15:58:53 Just as we're looking at fees.
15:58:57 Do we explicitly allow ourselves to.
15:59:04 To wave any, permit fees.
15:59:09 You know, for affordable housing projects. Say,
15:59:14 I can't remember. I think that's conversation we've had. But obviously I don't find like is that something that we've included previously? Or is that.
15:59:23 It'd be difficult trying to kind of put something like that into this process.
15:59:28 So my understanding.
15:59:30 Or at least my understanding, prior to perhaps some recent developments of which I'm not fully apprised that.
15:59:36 Departments.
15:59:38 Wouldn't, or at least my department wouldn't have discretion to.
15:59:41 Wave fees.
15:59:44 For particular customers, based on particular qualifications or circumstances. It was more.
15:59:48 The Board's decision to make such a mess. But my understanding is that maybe there's.
15:59:52 Some changes in our in our general process in the county, whereby certain there's a certain percentage for department heads, I'm not sure sounds like something I I've been meaning
to ask Mark about. They haven't really gone to so.
16:00:04 If there's something new afoot that gives us to do that, that's that's 1 thing we do. Obviously.
16:00:09 Encounter hardship cases, whether it's affordable housing or some hardship. Other kind of hardship that we have to.
16:00:15 And and our our take has been just to be objective about it. Just.
16:00:17 The fees are what they are. If you have a hardship case, and you know you'd be going to the board so that they really.
16:00:23 For affordable housing. There are other incentives. I know that, for example.
16:00:27 If you're doing a subdivision, and it's affordable housing that there's bonus densities and those kinds of things.
16:00:33 I don't know the end accounts like fee on verbal housing. Well, we do have the stock plans that we're developing right now, which would have a reduced fee.
16:00:42 Associated with.
16:00:44 That's specific to, I mean a as part of affordable housing, but not necessarily for affordable housing.
16:00:52 I think it's a bigger conversation that we could. We'd be happy to have. I don't think we have anything in place, because, of course, then there's criteria. What what do you
mean by that? And.
16:01:00 Who qualifies for some.
16:01:02 Is it? Is it affordable in perpetuity? Are there safeguards, or is it just for now? And you never know what happens in 5 years, those kinds of questions.
16:01:10 But in any case, if we're any kind of program which is.
16:01:12 From our budget standpoint.
16:01:14 Is a subsidy somewhere along the line. So if it's the general fund subsidizing and making our budget just whole, no problem. But if it's something that we.
16:01:22 It's hard to plan for. And then we get into a situation where now we're not meeting our budget because we've.
16:01:28 Essentially not collected these fees. We've expected to collect for work that we're actually doing, that we need to figure it out, and we'll have to run the market.
16:01:36 But when it I mean, it sounds like this is on a timeline that maybe we wouldn't want to slow down with those kinds of policy decisions really, well.
16:01:51 Right. I mean, I think.
16:01:53 Like a cloud when we had some like lesser developments at a cheaper fee. So it seemed like if we wanted to. We could.
16:02:00 You know the administrator could wave. Let's say.
16:02:03 Sdr. Feature something like that for.
16:02:05 Affordable housing projects, or something like that. And so I think.
16:02:09 That's something that.
16:02:10 We could kind of entertain with doing the 1,840Â min that.
16:02:16 You know, like Mason Street, or something like that.
16:02:20 Yeah, 4 times a currently for their impact fees. So we can't wait those.
16:02:42 Was because it was a very similar thing. There was this a surcharge to us, for, like an affordable housing program, so each partner would tack on $5, $10, whatever it was, and
there was a lawsuit, a landmark that was between the I believe, was the kids at Home Association and the city of Bainbridge. I.
16:02:59 Which establish the reason, fees and State law.
16:03:02 Because of something very similar, so.
16:03:04 There is there are. There's a little bit of sticking points there along that way, because that's kind of how we wound up here.
16:03:12 Right well, as long as our fees aren't elevated.
16:03:16 To compensate for waivers for affordable housing. I don't think we have a problem.
16:03:23 What I would envision if we were to do this is that the general fund would have to backfill. It's like when we wait. It's like, well, if you need money, the General Fund's gonna
give it to you.
16:03:35 Now I do know that, you know. Down in Clark County, in the city of Vancouver there were property tax relief programs for affordable housing.
16:03:44 We're for 7 or 9, or.
16:03:46 10 or 11 years.
16:03:48 Affordable housing projects were exempt from property taxes.
16:03:51 It's kind of a city thing, I think, isn't it? Feel like other cities? Do it? Does that, too? Multi family tax exemption.
16:04:09 Orders. Yeah, in terms of timing, like.
16:04:12 Perhaps the fee schedule is a good place for but.
16:04:15 If we could find another alternative that would help us put some more thought into it, because we were hoping to do like. Now.
16:04:22 The 1840. Changes were only by the end of the year, so there'd be more time to think about.
16:04:26 Something, and there's some kind of administrator fees kind of concept of that. But I'm also kind of curious.
16:04:32 We've got the short term rental package coming.
16:04:36 And I know there's I thought the Legislature path, or adopted a.
16:04:41 Some kind of alternative, or some kind of different way of doing.
16:04:46 Other kinds of taxes, or whatever it was that was associated. I know that if you sign up for, say, an Airbnb, or something.
16:04:54 There's taxes that are collected there, and they could be used for certain purposes. So I guess I would suggest, like, maybe it's a bigger picture thing. That's the county.
16:05:00 Wanted to consider.
16:05:02 Using funds collected under that provision.
16:05:06 This is, you know, commercials for lodging essentially.
16:05:09 You pretty portion towards a portable housing program, and that program.
16:05:13 Could find a variety of things, including relief from certain kinds of applications. Then you'd have a dedicated phone source.
16:05:19 For that.
16:05:21 Yeah, they're near a transit center. We use Logitech's for affordable housing near Trans.
16:05:28 Within a half mile. Can it be like a I don't think it's just a bus stop. It's like a transit center.
16:05:35 So the Rcw. Reads.
16:05:36 Hmm, okay.
16:05:38 Still worth pursuing.
16:05:40 You know, there's that supposedly.
16:05:42 Mobile phone parts. Like. There's such opportunity with.
16:05:48 With the uga coming online and attracting.
16:05:53 Multifamily developers and affordable housing developers has been such a challenge for us. And you know, I mean, I think.
16:06:00 And I think we would be willing to support that general fund. But we need would need a mechanism to be able to do that, and
16:06:06 So I will follow your lead on timing and.
16:06:11 Th. There's a nexus with the comp plan, too, right as we're doing housing, band sections, and everything. Is that an opportunity.
16:06:19 We are in the 2025 update as new elements. That's really about
16:06:24 Accommodating or planning for housing.
16:06:26 For different types.
16:06:27 For the future. Right? So that's another nexus. Another nexus could be the budgeting process.
16:06:34 So. In other words, if the board.
16:06:38 We, you know, we come up with our package. We make our request, and I are gonna collaborate on that with Judy and Mark, and we'll make our ass, like the other departments.
16:06:45 But if the signal from the board is that you want us to ask for.
16:06:50 Money from the general fund to be used for a certain purpose.
16:06:52 That could become part of our budget, and we'd have a certain amount of year that per year that we would dedicate.
16:06:58 Certain types of applications.
16:06:59 That would that way we're we're feeling secure, like, okay.
16:07:03 There's a place to pay for that. Otherwise, you know.
16:07:05 If we're not collecting for the revenue and yet but the staff is doing the work, then all sudden gets out of whack, if it's but we want it. But it's not sounds like we don't
want to do that.
16:07:16 As we, you know, the the more the merrier in that regard. There's that many.
16:07:19 Affordable housing providers that want to get involved and see what comes on next year. And there's a lot of what ifs like, how much we know the habitat project is coming, and
Brett has been working.
16:07:28 With other housing providers to get feedback about urban regulations this year. But.
16:07:34 You still know exactly how many projects we're gonna see. In the next couple of years we definitely saw.
16:07:42 And we saw the income.
16:07:47 Targets.
16:07:49 But lower income, huge majority of the housing units. We need right.
16:07:54 So we've we've got to really focus there. I would probably say that.
16:08:00 But fills.
16:08:01 They'll be permit fees for a duplex of triplets, or multifamily.
16:08:06 Would be something that I'm not sure.
16:08:08 Do that. But like, if we could charge a reduced fee for.
16:08:12 That's higher to use units, because I don't think like.
16:08:14 We're gonna have much like if it's a multifamily, I'm not gonna do much.
16:08:19 For you for that probably make it a permanent use of that.
16:08:23 You know. So it's it's mostly gonna be that.
16:08:28 And could it be as simple as language, like.
16:08:36 Permit fees.
16:08:39 Maybe
16:08:42 What's the wording.
16:08:45 I don't even know if it needs to go in the fee schedule, you know. Certainly.
16:08:49 Nonprofits can come and ask us for money, but
16:08:53 Just thinking? Is there a policy direction that explicitly.
16:08:58 Incentivizes. And and I think there are ways to ensure long-term affordability. That's like multiple mechanisms by which that's
16:09:08 Those assurances are built in
16:09:11 I don't know. It's just a.
16:09:14 Priority to the other commissioners or.
16:09:17 Because it doesn't feel like complicating. I mean, I don't want to slow down the fees, really, but I think it's an important conversation. One more thing that comes to mind
that just.
16:09:27 Occurred to me, and and Brent isn't here this week to respond directly, but I'll ask him as soon as he's available.
16:09:35 Is, I'm fairly certain he was talking about.
16:09:39 One aspect of the development regulation package for the Uta. To have happening this year as part of the docket would be.
16:09:47 Opportunities for even further increased density in those. So we have the urban zones. We've got commercial zone.
16:09:54 And right now, which definitely says No, essentially to residential. But we were talking about changing that.
16:09:59 They're providing an opportunity for mixed use for those property owners that are interested in that. But also he's got feedback that even at the higher densities, and some
of those zones.
16:10:08 It's still not high enough to pencil out for a sort of a modern project. Densities were set 15 years ago.
16:10:15 So what we were thinking is a possibility. Is that.
16:10:19 We could just like other cities, do.
16:10:20 The big boys. If you will.
16:10:22 We could
16:10:23 Almost like I've transferred to my program. You could.
16:10:27 We can have.
16:10:28 Those densities be exceeded under circumstances certain of those units for affordability or pay into a fund.
16:10:36 For affordability, which then would go to another property in the Zone.
16:10:40 So that that's something we actually are thinking about already working on. So maybe that's a good place.
16:10:46 For this particular cause. I remember most of the.
16:10:49 Also the affordable housing densities that we're talking about are going to be most likely to happen in the Seward areas. Yeah.
16:10:55 Tdrs might be interested in terms of developing any kind of.
16:10:59 Park.
16:11:02 Tdrs transfer development.
16:11:06 So.
16:11:08 There's a couple of people have mentioned me. The idea of.
16:11:11 Parks in the urban core.
16:11:13 And.
16:11:14 There's a few opportunities.
16:11:16 Open space, lots.
16:11:19 Might be.
16:11:20 There might be landowners willing to consider that.
16:11:24 For increased.
16:11:26 Development.
16:11:26 Potential.
16:11:29 Increased density elsewhere. Yeah. And that's what transcribe often, are you.
16:11:34 For go development of one area and get more development in another area. So.
16:11:40 You can think of a couple landowners to be open to those conversations.
16:11:46 Because it.
16:11:48 In the long haul, and I think about New York City.
16:11:51 Central Park, you know. They thought they thought they were thinking ahead.
16:11:55 And that now's our time to be thinking ahead.
16:11:59 Sure, so.
16:12:01 We're getting closer to having.
16:12:06 Again. Those ideas that have been discussed, you know, with you and others.
16:12:12 To making those ideas into a package is actually going to run through the mission. That's that's gonna be the tricky part is, take that next step, but we need to take it in
fairly short order.
16:12:21 In order to have.
16:12:23 That.
16:12:24 Staff report, published.
16:12:26 In August in order to have a hearing in September. So we have our work put out for us.
16:12:31 There's certain things that aren't quite handled this year. We still have the 25 cycle 25.
16:12:37 Periodic update actually, which is.
16:12:39 More of a truncated cycle. I mean, we have the whole year to do it, but we could do it sooner next year. Originally we were required to do it by the middle. And here, let's
say, we have to the end. But.
16:12:49 The money runs out the middle of the year.
16:12:52 What I'm sorry, what? What chunks of the count plan and thinking about future development needs to be done by this summer.
16:13:00 We have.
16:13:02 A set of development.
16:13:03 Regulations, and perhaps some comp plan. Changes proposed this year as part of the 24.
16:13:09 Completeness, cycle.
16:13:11 It's kind of like a step one the docket. So, hoping to finish and get some of those things in place by December which just gives us one thing we can check off that we're not
quite as worried about next year.
16:13:22 So that those folks were getting ready to apply for permits, can start doing thinking about that more seriously. Beginning of next year, when the sewer is scheduled to come
online here.
16:13:31 But I was just saying that, you know.
16:13:34 Maybe we can't do it all this year, and there's still stuff left over.
16:13:37 We could take care of that as part of the 25 period update next year, when we're going to be doing other wholesale changes like the house element.
16:13:45 And the new resiliency, planning.
16:13:49 Okay. I've not been tracking that closely.
16:13:52 Try and get with her.
16:13:55 Okay, so sounds like there's not a obvious pathway for my.
16:14:00 So project
16:14:03 Yes.
16:14:04 Can I ask one question? Yeah. The the.
16:14:09 The the metrics for getting type one, type 2, text, 3. Permits done. I assume that's a A mean of all the permits is how we're doing it. And I'm just wondering about.
16:14:18 I guess, Epl online, and some of those low hanging fruits, like other things that can be like over the counter. I want to build a fence and all this, and I wondering if you
could. Just I know it's sort of out of most of the conversation. But if you can let me know how that's going, and or let us know how that's going, and and what's the.
16:14:35 The future? And are there permits that are kind of over the counter that they like.
16:14:39 You know I need to do the simple thing. This is how you do it. Here you go.
16:14:44 Let us show us. Send us a picture when you're done, or.
16:14:48 Yeah, so did.
16:14:48 Just to check on that. So we do have some of the kind of permits some of them include.
16:14:53 Removing permits.
16:14:54 And again.
16:14:57 They're designed to be an over the counter unless there's certain things like, unless they're in like a flow plane. If they show up on a floor plan map. So the
16:15:05 Permanent technicians are now trained to look for that. So they're kind of doing a pre review, if you will like. Okay, if not, then they'll handle. Issue them right over the
counter. If not, then they'll get routed to somebody for additional oversight. So you know, if there's a over the counter like a solder as long as not a groundbox. Now
16:15:24 They can be a an Hvac. They can be, some of them types of mechanical permits of our unit permits.
16:15:32 Get removes, some of the propane permits or the counter again, if they're not in a phone plan, or if they're not in other things that would require additional review.
16:15:42 That can be done really quickly. But most things do, and those are not what we're talking about.
16:15:46 So, and they're not even tracked in these.
16:15:48 Okay, we're talking about this. We're talking about primarily, our use of the residential building permits. And the Cdl, these has a different designation for it. You know,
for example.
16:16:02 There's 1 for firecrimers, there's 1 for fire alarms whole bunch of different things they still could.
16:16:08 Go through a review, but they wouldn't necessarily follow this.
16:16:11 Okay.
16:16:12 Thanks.
16:16:15 Alright. Let's open it up for public comment.
16:16:19 Suzanne and Sally.
16:16:22 What's that motion to panelists and you don't mind just keeping comments relatively brief, we'd appreciate it.
16:16:31 Tom, as well.
16:16:36 Go ahead! Lizanne!
16:16:38 Okay, thanks. Jen. Can you hear me? Okay.
16:16:43 Okay, so the start of this bill. The discussion was.
16:16:47 Rather.
16:16:49 Kind of short about achieving the deadlines of the time.
16:16:54 From the point of the Building Association and permits and the speed at which they need to come out.
16:16:59 Obviously, it's rather important to us.
16:17:02 And I understand that Sb. 52, 90 did offer these.
16:17:10 They're they're good ideas. And and those Josh's.
16:17:15 Great on following up on them, and we should have a competent staff that is fully funded and fully, you know, covered.
16:17:21 And and taken care of.
16:17:23 The point is, staff is much bigger than it was.
16:17:26 I think we can all see that. And they're and they're doing a great job. They are improving. I am impressed.
16:17:33 So.
16:17:34 What I want to hear is we're gonna try and make that 65 days. We may miss it.
16:17:39 But we're gonna try and make it. I'm not really hearing that.
16:17:43 And and I'm sure that's what was met. But I'm I'm a little concerned because the 1st response was, If we do these other things, and it doesn't matter if we don't make it.
16:17:53 There was.
16:17:52 I'm sure that's not meant.
16:17:54 Susanna. There was there was a slide that said, we intend to meet those timelines.
16:18:02 Didn't.
16:18:02 Okay, I.
16:18:04 And bright.
16:18:04 I I must have missed that. I mean there was a lot of slides up there. I apologize. And I'm I'm glad.
16:18:09 And I and I. It's really important.
16:18:11 I do think. One of the things that Greg mentioned in the meeting the other week was that.
16:18:19 The Sdr. And the Llr. Are outside of that timeline.
16:18:24 So as commissioners, you're aware of that.
16:18:27 Correct, so that that's not there. So it is really important to keep those as tight as possible, because if those start running really long, obviously.
16:18:36 That that.
16:18:38 Takes a short permit and makes it really long.
16:18:41 We appreciate the work being done and the improvement on the Sdrs. And I know a lot has been done since the last time I was in front of you, and I appreciate that.
16:18:51 And and the response to that.
16:18:54 So I just the point is to, you know, Streamline, the office, and with a good solid staff your numbers and time should come down.
16:19:03 And that's really the the goal.
16:19:06 That we're that we're going for, I assume that's what. Sb, you know.
16:19:10 50 to 90 was all about.
16:19:13 So.
16:19:14 That said
16:19:16 I thank you and I. I would only ask that we make sure that we are reporting in January and February, and you know as the months go by.
16:19:26 How many were actually, you know.
16:19:27 If if we're not making the mark, which I hope we make it on every single one. Obviously it's it's.
16:19:34 The big concern is to keep building, going forward and not having to lay people off, because we don't have building permits out.
16:19:40 So.
16:19:41 That's all I've got on that. Thank you very much for your time.
16:19:45 Thank you. Liz Ann.
16:19:49 And yeah, I saw you brought over, but I think it was Sally Ellis that had her hand raised. Sally, if you want to.
16:19:57 Comments. Please hit raise hand again.
16:20:00 But Tom.
16:20:02 And afternoon.
16:20:05 Afternoon. Good afternoon. Thanks thanks for taking public comment on this.
16:20:09 I had a couple of things that come to mind.
16:20:13 Listening to the or looking at this. This method of of costing or or analyzing the existing.
16:20:20 Cost of doing business. This cost of providing service.
16:20:24 I've I've seen this happen in other places, and.
16:20:28 Basically.
16:20:30 These methods don't provide any incentive to be efficient.
16:20:35 It. It says, Okay, this is how much time you're spending, and it costs what it costs.
16:20:40 It doesn't say.
16:20:41 Take the example of Medicare, for example, Medicare says, this is how much we are going to reimburse you. The medical provider, for performing this particular procedure. This
is the cost period you.
16:20:53 And you know you can't charge your patient more than that, that's all. We're gonna cover.
16:20:57 And.
16:20:59 Here.
16:21:00 There is no
16:21:03 List, Price.
16:21:04 For a given procedure.
16:21:05 The the list prices, however, many hours Dcd staff need to take.
16:21:11 To to do that particular function.
16:21:13 So that's that's a concern that I have is keeping costs under control over time.
16:21:18 Because there is not an any incentive really built in.
16:21:23 To be more efficient.
16:21:25 So.
16:21:25 I don't know what to do about that, but I just wanted to express.
16:21:29 The fact that the.
16:21:32 You know, that's that's how we got to the 600 toilet seat.
16:21:36 And and I just don't want to see that happen.
16:21:39 To the fees that are being charged to county's customers.
16:21:44 Other than that I look the timing of the hearing versus the adoption date.
16:21:50 I think you need to provide as much time as possible between the hearing.
16:21:54 And when you're actually going to adopt the ordinance.
16:21:58 Because if you hold, if you adopt it almost immediately after hearing, that means that you're not giving yourselves enough time to react to the input that you've received.
16:22:07 During the hearing.
16:22:08 Which means that the hearing becomes meaningless.
16:22:11 So the more time that you offer.
16:22:13 To consider the public's input, the better off, the final product will be.
16:22:18 So thanks, very much.
16:22:21 Thank you. Tom.
16:22:23 Sally.
16:22:29 Hi, guys, can you hear me?
16:22:33 So josh.
16:22:35 Chelsea. Greg. Phil, great job I liked it. I I learned a lot. Thank you for that.
16:22:43 I would like it, Chelsea, if you would send me a copy of that slideshow. Please.
16:22:48 And.
16:22:50 I have one question for Greg. Does this?
16:22:55 Does this. Sb, 5.
16:22:58 To 90, does that not.
16:23:02 Does that not impact environmental health? Don't they need to have their stuff done in that timeframe to like that?
16:23:08 And then my other question was, or just comments.
16:23:14 You guys were talking about your fee schedule or your fee study? We're talking about giving 13 more dollars an hour. And I say, hell, yeah, you guys totally deserve it, and
you have not increased your fees in that amount of time. And those fees changed to my knowledge. Every January.
16:23:41 I wonder if it shouldn't be increased a little bit more if you're gonna have to meet the 65 day or 9, 45 days, 90 calendar days, so that you could actually get more staffing.
That was kind of just my concern and my.
16:23:59 I was curious. Does an environmental health have to follow that.
16:24:03 2.
16:24:03 Can you comment on that, Greg?
16:24:11 Cool thanks.
16:24:11 That's it.
16:24:06 And we'll we'll respond after everybody's provided public comment. So.
16:24:13 Thank you.
16:24:15 Charity in person.
16:24:17 Are you interested in? No, okay. I just heard my name, but I brought over on Zoom. Maybe accidentally.
16:24:32 And so, and that's why up. That's why I mentioned your name, but it's always I don't. Does anyone have.
16:24:41 Sherry.
16:24:42 Okay.
16:24:44 And Mark bring you over, and this will have to be the last comment we need to wrap up.
16:24:50 At 4 30. I'm gonna have one small piece of business. So think about your responses to public comment quickly. You don't mind.
16:24:58 Market, accept promotion.
16:25:07 That is coming over. Yeah. So it's great.
16:25:16 Good afternoon, Mark. You can unmute, and if you could make your comments briefly.
16:25:24 And there will be plenty more opportunity to come in. Everything we're talking about here today in the upcoming, hearing.
16:25:35 Mark if you hit unmute.
16:25:40 Okay. Can you hear me?
16:25:42 Good afternoon.
16:25:43 Hi! Hi! Thank you for taking my comments.
16:25:47 1st of all, I wanna say thanks for all the effort that.
16:25:50 Everyone is put into
16:25:53 Complying with Sb. 52 90. I know it's a lot of work.
16:25:58 And I I generally support 100 cost recovery.
16:26:02 And, like Liz, said,
16:26:05 I would echo her comments with regard to.
16:26:09 Doing so with regard to maintaining efficiencies as the.
16:26:14 Processes move forward.
16:26:15 I think a hundred percent cost recovery.
16:26:18 And, like Sally, mentioned more staff.
16:26:21 Is critically important. And I really have to say, I think you guys have done a great job.
16:26:27 From where we were a few weeks ago, when we.
16:26:31 Came before the Commissioners with concerns about the length of the process. So I really appreciate the efforts that you guys have put in.
16:26:38 And to Commissioner Dean's comments.
16:26:41 With regard to affordable housing.
16:26:45 I think we really need to.
16:26:47 Taking a very strong look at.
16:26:50 Looking at this with.
16:26:51 Anytime that we raise fees on anything.
16:26:54 Because it impacts the portable housing.
16:26:58 Across the board.
16:26:59 And we really need to have a way of.
16:27:02 Analyzing what we can do within DC, within environmental health.
16:27:06 To make sure that we're not being.
16:27:10 Exceptionally exclusive with the process of providing affordable housing.
16:27:16 These fees are incredibly for some people I know they're necessary for getting through the process.
16:27:22 But if there's a way that we can.
16:27:26 Figure out!
16:27:27 How to incorporate ways of helping
16:27:31 You know the affordable housing side of this. It would be very important to me and a lot of people in the community. I think we owe it to them.
16:27:37 So thank you.
16:27:40 Thank you. Mark.
16:27:43 Alright so.
16:27:46 Quick responses. If you don't mind, we have an important recognition we need to do. I can do. A decent environmental health isn't subject to 52 90, and Dcd.
16:27:56 Would not charge additional fees like. Once we charge a base fee, we're not going to charge additional fees.
16:28:01 The, the the hourly fee is.
16:28:03 If it takes 4Â h for
16:28:05 You know a lot.
16:28:07 That's the fee we're gonna charge and.
16:28:09 We'd be very reluctant to charge additional fees longer than that.
16:28:15 Okay. So 1st of all, the presentation has been provided to the clerk, so I believe it'll probably get worked back into this. The.
16:28:23 The documentation for this meeting, but it's also posted on the Dcp.
16:28:27 Web page. So so, Sally, if you go to the Gcd. Homepage and then news.
16:28:32 Under the part where it talks about, permit queues and stuff.
16:28:34 I. I put the link to the presentation there, so you can find it right now.
16:28:39 Going back trying to remember the other comments. 1st of all, thank you for all the feedback we really do appreciate. It's very important for us to get feedback, not just for
our commissioners, but from our customers. Of course.
16:28:49 And we absolutely are trying to meet these.
16:28:53 Timeline. So if I didn't emphasize that enough, or we didn't apologize for that. But, we actually are trying to make these tags. We just wanna make sure we work on.
16:29:01 Unnecessarily subject ourselves to a penalty for not when you can meet these measures and not have that, it's kind of like.
16:29:09 When I think about schools that get penalized for their students, not passing tests, and then they get funding taken away from it. Well, how is that gonna get better? So I kinda
look at it. But absolutely we are gonna try to meet those timelines.
16:29:22 The study. Okay, the study. Yes, it did evaluate. Essentially. It came up with an answer of.
16:29:27 How much it cost Ecd. To do an hour work on average. Remember, it's not just we don't charge by individual staff member like. If Greg gets involved. You know, these are development.
So.
16:29:38 Yeah, the higher hourly wage. But we're not charging just for his hour to somebody else's. When we do grants, we actually do do that. But we did an average, you know, of the
staff across the board.
16:29:49 But it doesn't.
16:29:51 The commenter is correct, that it it didn't really go into detail about how to make more efficiencies. But I also want to emphasize that we are trying to.
16:29:58 Every day come up with new efficiencies. And I think we did talk about how, when we come back with a schedule. Yes, we're gonna propose to raise the rate. But we're also gonna
revisit.
16:30:07 Those fees that are based on hourly rates, and try to look for times.
16:30:11 That Greg is recognizing is basically about a year now of working here that we're not spending as much hours on average as the base rate for that particular type of permit since
we are. So we're gonna adjust that downward. Maybe there's no one that we adjust upward. We're gonna go through that process and come back to you on August 5, th and a workshop format
with the favorite fee schedule, and then we'll have comparison about.
16:30:33 About what it is now, versus what it is.
16:30:37 Trying to think, what else.
16:30:38 Came up.
16:30:40 Promise.
16:30:41 Mr's comment about rushing the conclusion process part of this process. And I I'll just say we'll take as long as we need to get it right.
16:30:51 We're just proposing when we we were hoping to have it effectively September first.st But obviously we're not controlling that.
16:30:57 In an ideal world. We would have had this conversation a month or 2 ago. And it's just a lot of things happening. We're just trying our best. We're also not.
16:31:03 You know, we're we're becoming experts on 52 90, just by reading it closely and figure out how to implement it. But.
16:31:10 We're not experts out in the sense that weren't there in the room.
16:31:13 After legislature when it was formulated. So some of the questions like, I wasn't even sure the answer is environmental health, or some other department subject to it.
16:31:20 I don't know, but Greg has looked a little bit closer at the law with Munchi. So that was his conclusion.
16:31:25 Pretty specifically, some building permits repeatedly so.
16:31:32 Thank you. And
16:31:35 Let's talk with Mark.
16:31:38 Again about timing, and you will, too. But I I do kind of agree that.
16:31:45 Having a hearing, and.
16:31:48 We often will find ways to improve.
16:31:51 On our events and hearing, and that sometimes takes time. We could also, I could call in virtually on the 26, hearing that day as as another option.
16:32:04 Okay. I also heard that we could accelerate into the 19, th and then we would have 2 weeks before the 5.th
16:32:14 Hearing and adoption on the 19, th in order to have it.
16:32:17 By the 1st of September.
16:32:19 Not true. So I think that's what we're saying. I mean, they step some time between hearing and adoption.
16:32:28 Thanks for the hearing. On the 19.th
16:32:30 And again.
16:32:31 Adapt on the 26.
16:32:34 If we ask for changes.
16:32:39 Okay.
16:32:41 We are past time. We are supposed to be done by 4 30 so we unfortunately will only have a short amount of time to do a very important recognition. If you guys can hang up for
2Â min and.
16:33:06 What? Okay?
16:33:11 I don't know. Okay.
16:33:17 That camera's really close municipal clerk.
16:33:32 It takes about 3 plus years to get one of these certificates. We have a agency called International Munis Art Institute of municipal clerks, and we have. We go to conferences
annually, and other trainings and Academy sessions that are geared for the clerk of the Board and deputy clerk of the board and a deal in our office as a rock star and husband attending
these trainings. And she just was. She just got us in the mail today, so I thought we would.
16:33:56 Frame it up. We had the frame already, and.
16:33:59 Yeah, I want to say, Thank you for.
16:34:12 I appreciate this office and all the camaraderie that.
16:34:15 We all share each other and all other departments, and
16:34:20 But thank you to Carolyn for her support and encouragement for education and growth.
16:34:36 Thank you all the more questions. I don't know if you know. But of the 39 counties how many of them have 2 certified municipal clerks in their boards off. I tell you what, I
went to a local county conference last year, and I was one of only a few amongst them, and when you get to the city clerks there's a lot more cities and stuff. Of course there's a lot
more.
16:34:57 Cmc's. But yeah, the county level. It's it's a good thing that we have both of us, and in a couple of years get hers.
16:35:14 And we rely so much on the 3 of you. And the whole county does. Yeah, the whole county of stuff that you process that we're not even aware of. So thank you. I don't know. Ask
the girls across the hall.
16:35:34 Alright! Thank you for staying after anything else, for the good of the order.
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