HomeMy WebLinkAboutchat09:07:19 From Kate Dean, Jefferson County Commissioner to Hosts and panelists : We need to walk on the tribal agreement for Trust Land Transfer after our 10:15 with Phil, please.
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09:00:25 Alright! Good morning, everyone. I will call this 8 5 meeting of the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners to order.
09:00:35 Commissioner Dean under the weather and at home, so I'll be sharing in her stead today.
09:00:40 Got a full agenda and
09:00:44 I guess I have one quick announcement that we'll talk a little bit more about. Just want to really.
09:00:50 Proclaim, you know, a good news that the North Olympic Peninsula was one of the 6 final awardees of the the recompute Grant. So we have 35 million dollars coming to the North
Olympic Peninsula over the next 5 years to support all sorts of barrier removals. Social Services school wouldn't. Both building and and our team, Jefferson, Edc. And our North Olympic
developments.
09:01:15 Counsel as well as Peninsula College and Olympic health. Just a lot of work going to be going in. It's gonna be.
09:01:21 Just just the beginning now, but it's really exciting. So there'll be, I think, a press release that's going out. But
09:01:29 It's, you know, out of out of the 652, I think, applicants. Originally we are one of 6 6 that got awarded. So their most subscribed program ever so really kudos to the whole
team. Amanda Christopherson in our office that just.
09:01:44 Spent so many hours plus her normal duties. You know it's it's hard for a little.
09:01:49 Little counties like us to contribute to this kind of really wholesale effort. But,
09:01:55 Feels really, good. So.
09:01:57 With that more to come. But yeah, no, it's it's it's.
09:02:03 It's great some of our projects. I'll go into more details did not get funded. But we can. We'll break that down a little bit as as we go further. So with that, we will start,
as we always do with public comments. So anyone in the room or online you can hit, raise hand or star 9 to raise your hand. If you're on the phone we'd love to hear from you, Maggie,
come on up.
09:02:30 Okay. So we had that housing meeting about a week after.
09:02:37 Safe side.
09:02:40 Threatened to kick everyone out if they did not sign the mandatory.
09:02:46 For the American Legion.
09:02:48 And.
09:02:50 Base side is still.
09:02:54 Using the legal document.
09:02:57 To gather and disseminate.
09:03:01 Information.
09:03:02 Private information.
09:03:05 Against hipaa laws.
09:03:07 To non-government organizations.
09:03:11 Length of legion.
09:03:14 Using the same illegal document.
09:03:20 The County Health Department, and you and yourself.
09:03:24 Craig.
09:03:25 Opposed.
09:03:27 And.
09:03:28 Is.
09:03:33 The legal.
09:03:35 Data, gathering.
09:03:36 The legal data buy and selling. It's human trafficking. It's organized crime, it's racketeering, and it's consumer fraud.
09:03:46 And.
09:03:48 They have not given that.
09:03:51 The legal document.
09:03:52 Back to the occupants.
09:03:55 To destroy. They have not gone around to do it the right way.
09:04:00 All they did was offer them a copy.
09:04:03 The occupants are still in fear of being kicked out.
09:04:08 If they.
09:04:10 Try to get a copy or say No.
09:04:14 To that. And all this could have been done the right way, and you guys chose not to do it.
09:04:18 So it's the county. It's side.
09:04:22 With their history of bank fraud, with their history, of taking government money to house homeless people, and not house homeless people.
09:04:32 Is Heather Dudley Knowlet saying the Rcw. Codes don't exist. They do. It never happened. Yes, it did happen.
09:04:44 And just because it's not getting in an overburden court system.
09:04:50 To be heard
09:04:53 You know, for the public to hear.
09:04:56 Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Doesn't mean it didn't exist.
09:05:01 Doesn't mean it's not true. It is true.
09:05:05 And you know you can play Schrodinger's cat.
09:05:09 And a tree fallen in the forest. All you want.
09:05:12 But the fact is is that every person I've ever talked to about this instantly recognizes how illegal it was.
09:05:22 That it happened, how illegal it was that they're still continuing it, and how it will be continued to be legal, and the just Department, the State Department at the State level,
at the national level. You can go look at the laws. They all say, you know, this is this is illegal.
09:05:41 Okay. Now, you can play your.
09:05:44 Banjo!
09:05:44 Thank you. Maggie.
09:05:48 Alright, as always, we'll respond to all public comment after we hear it. Would anyone else like to make public comment today in the room or online, you can hit the raise hand
button or star 9. If you're on the phone.
09:05:57 We would love to hear from you about any topic.
09:06:05 Make one more call. We have one hand. Let's bring Mr. King over.
09:06:11 And then Julia.
09:06:18 Welcome, Gordon, get yourself unmuted. You can turn on your camera if you wish, and you'll have 3Â min. Once you get yourself set.
09:06:26 There we are. I noticed that the
09:06:29 On the calendar for the week, that it says that the Msc. Meeting tomorrow night is virtual.
09:06:36 And it's actually in person.
09:06:38 Bread, ibred.
09:06:39 And I.
09:06:39 It and on the calendar, said Virtual. But.
09:06:44 But.
09:06:45 It was the.
09:06:43 Now, I know. But the meeting, the meeting's actually hired.
09:06:47 Thank you.
09:06:46 Yeah. It's kinda high. It's kinda hybrid. It's
09:06:50 Because of the venue it's in the hybrid part is a little bit difficult. Heidi.
09:06:55 But.
09:06:56 It's kind of hybrid. But yeah.
09:06:58 But it's not not virtual.
09:07:01 That's all. Thank you.
09:07:02 Thank you, Gordon.
09:07:05 Okay. Julia, when you get yourself unmuted and camera on, if you wish, you have 3Â min to talk.
09:07:10 Love, to hear from you.
09:07:13 Good morning!
09:07:15 I'm
09:07:18 Well, I guess I would like to support this.
09:07:22 To some extent.
09:07:23 Is, I'm in agreement that bartender shouldn't be getting.
09:07:26 Any type of personal information about the unsheltered or sheltered.
09:07:31 Anyway, besides that.
09:07:32 I was really I was. I'm curious about the payment to Mom's laundry, the voucher laundry voucher thing on your consent, agenda.
09:07:41 Because I think it was the help somebody from the Health Department told me they're no longer accepting vouchers.
09:07:48 To do laundry, and I don't know. That's because they were waiting for this payment or what that was about. But it was something that I was
09:07:56 It was on my list of things to investigate before we we open to welcoming center opens, because we use them.
09:08:04 So I, yeah, it's just a curiosity on my part.
09:08:07 Good morning, you all.
09:08:10 Grade.
09:08:10 Thank you, Julian.
09:08:14 Would anyone else like to make public comment today you can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're with us virtually, or on the phone, or raise your physical hand. If
you're in the room with us.
09:08:27 Okay, seen no hands, we will. Is our custom. Keep public comment open till 9 30. So if if someone, if you.
09:08:36 To get the impulse to contribute. Please hit the raise hand button, and we'll we'll keep it open till 9 30.
09:08:43 And I guess maybe I'll respond 1st to Maggie. I'm flying a little closer to this than other people.
09:08:53 I would I would!
09:08:55 The more kind of broad allegations that are thrown out in a comment, the more difficult it.
09:09:00 It makes it to actually.
09:09:02 Take action on it. There are a lot of.
09:09:06 Attacks, I would say, in there, and we have been working on this Roi issue and continue to work on it. And and, Maggie, you were at the Shelter Coalition meeting, as well as
Julia and and others, and I have another meeting with with Bayside to tomorrow morning before the Shelter Coalition meeting.
09:09:22 These aren't.
09:09:23 Easy things to resolve, and I don't.
09:09:24 I mean, I'm not an expert on it, and I would say I facilitated the conversation more than oppose the Roi at the Roi.
09:09:35 At the Shelter Coalition.
09:09:37 That's my apology. Yeah, no worries I finally connected, and I was trying to be resident there. So it's good.
09:09:44 And then but we can. Let's let's just keep it back and forth. But yeah, we want everyone to be able to attend those shelter coalition meetings, but they do have a specific topic.
So if if someone leaves the topic and and is.
09:10:00 Starting to use other other attacks. There they are going to be muted, please. We're gonna have to just recess. If you keep talking over. We we gave everyone their their comment
period. It's not a dialogue back and forth, so now is our opportunity to respond.
09:10:15 And
09:10:16 And I'm always happy to to talk after the when we're not in meetings.
09:10:24 Okay.
09:10:26 To Julia as well, you know, we continue to look at it, and, like the the moment of the thing of contention on the release of information is that the
09:10:37 American Legion really wants to be informed if someone is exited for disruptive behavior before you know from the shelter, because often they end up coming around. So Julia
is right. It's challenging to give information. I don't think it's protected by hipaa, but there are laws that protect this information.
09:10:54 And so trying to find a path where we can still.
09:10:58 You know, maintain the peace basically. But of course not.
09:11:03 Infringe on people's rights. So.
09:11:04 I don't know exactly where those are, but we continue to have conversations with Bayside and the American Legion, and residents of the of the shelter and other subject matter
experts. As we try to get it right. We're definitely building the airplane as we're flying it. Continuing operations, you know, there's not a spin up. It's just a.
09:11:21 Here we go. So there's gonna be issues that need to be corrected on the fly. And that's what.
09:11:27 A, a, a attempting to address.
09:11:31 To Gordon. I don't, you know.
09:11:32 Good to see him as always, but I don't have any information about the mic, but I think he was just letting us know that it maybe is not a great yeah.
09:11:41 And then to Julia's other question, I was really excited to see the mom's laundry voucher there. My understanding we can double check with pinky and public health is that.
09:11:49 And that kind of.
09:11:50 It just took a while to get this contract back into place, and they've not had laundry vouchers for some time. I'm quite gratified to to see this this on a consent agenda, and
I think they've been working on it for some months. So maybe there was some resistance from moms. I'm not sure this is the back story, but we can. We can get it. But I'm really happy
to see that that access
09:12:09 Returned in the consent agenda.
09:12:12 You know, I noticed that that contract was dated for the 1st day of the new State fiscal year, so I wondered if it had to do with state funding becoming available again. For
July first.st
09:12:24 Yeah, that's very possible. Yeah, that's a good point. But we can get a little more information about the.
09:12:29 The back story, too, from public health.
09:12:32 Alright. Any other responses.
09:12:34 I would say I defer to you because you're our Commissioner sitting on the Shelter Coalition. But I'm I'm glad to hear that you're.
09:12:43 Bayside, and the coalition is working through the Roi issues. They do sounding.
09:12:50 And on the way that the Mrc. Meeting was listed.
09:12:55 I think they.
09:12:57 That, Wendy, what's the weekly meeting list together assumes that.
09:13:00 She's putting how we're attending the meeting, but I'm not sure, so I'll check in with her on that. But I intend to attend the Mrc. Meeting in person tomorrow night.
09:13:13 So I'll check in with Wendy about that when she's back, you know, we could probably just take that off. Yeah. How do you attend.
09:13:21 Yeah. Oh, it says virtual cause. You've maybe attended some meetings for virtually, but I tend to attend.
09:13:28 Mr. In person every time. If you agree, we can just take that off from future. That sounds good, Kate, is that okay with you?
09:13:35 You know from the calendar that our calendars.
09:13:37 Okay.
09:13:38 Yup!
09:13:39 And I'm also glad to see the laundry vouchers back in action. So, and more laundromats in our community, up and up and running so.
09:13:49 More access to clean clothes.
09:13:51 That's great!
09:13:53 Kate anything to add.
09:13:55 No, I just add that you know it's
09:14:00 Appreciate. The Bay side is is continuing to work with the Shelter coalition to try to, you know. Get this documentation right? It's.
09:14:08 You know it is a reality in any housing type that we sign away a lot of privacy when you sign rental agreements, mortgages? You know this is.
09:14:19 A a part of the world that we live in. I don't feel that the the unhoused or being singled out differently in this, and there's a lot of requirements for reporting from the
State for the funding that supports this housing. So.
09:14:31 Just hope there can.
09:14:32 Grace on both sides. As we figure this out.
09:14:36 Thanks, Kate. I had one more thing just that, you know. There was a suggestion of the shelter. There were a lot of like positive, you know, constructive comments on on ways
to resolve this this issue. You know a separate document for the you know, because it's different kind of information to notify. You know the landlord of of an issue than it is to voluntarily
reach out for service support and things like that. So.
09:15:00 It might be a different form that is similar, but we'll continue to work on it, I see. Mr. Tears raised his hand. Let's bring him over for public comment, and Shelley.
09:15:16 Mr. Chair, yourself unmuted. You have 3Â min.
09:15:21 Oh, good morning! It should not take 3Â min. I was just wondering. I noticed that the
09:15:26 Vcc agenda and AV capture are not functioning.
09:15:30 There's nothing listed there, and I just wonder if there's any news on that any intention to move forward, backward or sideways.
09:15:37 On the on, the technology.
09:15:39 So if somebody could could fill us in on that, that would be helpful. Thank you very much.
09:15:44 Thank you, Mr. Chair. We'll respond after we hear comment from Mr. Arnell. Shelley, please go ahead when you get yourself unmuted. You have 3Â min.
09:15:52 Good morning. I, too, would like to address the agenda first.st The agenda was not listed online until just minutes before 9 o'clock. That makes it really hard to know what
there is that's gonna be on it. What we're talking about
09:16:09 If we could have that sooner, more often. That would be great.
09:16:15 And I, too, would like to support Maggie. You can hear the frustration that grows in her weekly, and I sympathize with that I feel when you're in a moment, that if you can't
get some solid answers, it's really frustrating and.
09:16:34 I would hope that maybe.
09:16:36 There could be
09:16:39 A little bit of special attention paid to specific things. That might.
09:16:46 Help
09:16:47 I know that there's lots of information required. I know that there's lots of rights given up, but there shouldn't be any bullying, and if it feels like bullying.
09:16:58 It needs to stop because
09:17:02 Everybody needs to feel like they're in a safe place, especially somebody who doesn't have a permanent home to live, so I would just hope there could be a little more compassion
and a little more.
09:17:16 Help!
09:17:17 To get some of these issues addressed. I appreciate what Bayside does, but.
09:17:24 It doesn't really have a stellar reputation. So maybe just a little more focus on it would be a really good thing.
09:17:33 And the hand went up and we got oh, yeah, by all, please.
09:17:39 Just to address the the Roi.
09:17:43 I think it feels particularly oppressive for individuals to have a choice between outside or signing a paper that they feel is a violation. And I think that's where we get a
lot of the elevated.
09:17:56 Responses.
09:17:57 I did offer to assist, but I remember the shelter meeting do house had an roi to provide Gary, so I've just reached out.
09:18:06 And ask them, but perhaps it would be helpful.
09:18:09 To have a meeting between Bayside and possibly Shelter Service Provider who understands these.
09:18:17 And the Legion to meet and have a discussion about the nature like. For example, if somebody does come in.
09:18:24 Hostile to the Legion. How would they normally respond? And would it really be a benefit if somebody is exited from the shelter and they come in if they're coming in angry,
I understand. But even if they've been exited from the shelter, and they want to come into the Legion to to receive services or to be a customer. Are we setting them up for discrimination?
I think those are.
09:18:50 Very good questions to ask, and I think.
09:18:51 It's also an assumption of criminality.
09:18:54 If somebody gets banned from the shelter because you don't know what the ban is about.
09:19:00 So I think those are good questions to ask, and it's it would be.
09:19:03 I would be
09:19:06 I would make myself available for that conversation to support Bass in any way, but also support our people, utilizing the shelter.
09:19:13 Thanks.
09:19:16 Anyone else that would like to make public comment.
09:19:22 Okay.
09:19:23 Well, we'll keep it open for a few more minutes if someone is moved to comment, and I'll talk about the agenda. The agenda was posted, but none of the materials were posted,
I believe, because of the oh, you have some update on Friday we had a Internet outage was not cooperating once Internet got back on, but as it as it is the same for all our boards and
committees.
09:19:47 We try to reference the calendar where all the committee's are on and then on each agenda it tells you how to get to the meeting materials. So we've met our okay requirements.
Posting in advance.
09:19:59 The fact that wasn't on AV capture is.
09:20:01 Not fun, but we are working on trying to find new vendors here this year. So.
09:20:05 Yeah. And I'll just add, I oh, sorry. Go ahead, Kate.
09:20:09 Well, and in fact, it was added to the top of the newsflash on the county website. So you didn't even have to go into the calendar. It was one of the 1st items, you know, slightly
different spot. I know it's disorienting. I was at the office on Friday, trying to help troubleshoot, while you know the there's chaos across the peninsula as far as I can tell. So
sorry that it didn't get on AV we did everything we could. Adl was working on.
09:20:34 On Saturday as well. But we were sure to cover our requirement of having it available on
09:20:42 On that news quite visible on the homepage of our website.
09:20:47 I was on Laserfish.
09:20:48 All the documents. Yes.
09:20:49 Yeah, the supporting materials on laser. It's only the agenda that we are required to post on
09:20:56 On the website 24Â h in advance. But yeah.
09:21:00 And the instructions.
09:21:01 For accessing it on laser included on the agenda posted.
09:21:07 We realize people are used to finding it on a capture. So we're trying to migrate to a sip to a.
09:21:13 Method that works for everyone.
09:21:15 So to Tom's question, are you moving forward, backwards or sideways, little backwards right now? But we're gonna we're gonna stop moving sideways and maybe move forward, frustrating
to us, too. And I really care a lot about.
09:21:28 Product management. How does the the public get access to our work? And so I I go into it the same way the public does. And I, you know.
09:21:38 Was frustrated having to go into each laser document myself, and it is complicated, and we should make it.
09:21:44 Easier, you know, as we do our website upgrade this fall, you know, looking to make sure that people can find it without having to.
09:21:52 You know, have circuitous instructions they need to follow, to get to the documents, even when things don't work.
09:21:57 You know, when we have technical issues like we did on Friday. So.
09:22:00 But even me, often the most technically challenged Commissioner.
09:22:05 Found all the attachments and read them, and printed the ones I referred to so.
09:22:12 Okay? And
09:22:15 Kelly and Viola about the.
09:22:18 The shelter. You know. We're not going to fix this problem in public comment. But I appreciate my role is
09:22:28 Offer, and I I know Bay Sides interested in resolving this. I have a meeting with them in the county tomorrow to to go over it again as well, and I'll I'll reiterate your your
offer to assist coming up with something that.
09:22:40 You know, does gets the appropriate job done, but does not infringe on people's rights is not, is the minimum amount of barrier to people leaving.
09:22:47 Receiving services, or, you know, shelter for the night. So that is the goal. And you know.
09:22:53 Building it as we're flying it. So I have to think there are other entities that have done this and other other localities. Well, I mean, even Bayside has an roi for their other.
09:23:01 For Pete's place and Pat's place there, you know. So there's it's it's not rocket science, but it's a pretty unique situation there, and trying to address landlord issues that
haven't been addressed in the past. Frankly, you know, while still maintaining the residence and and patrons is really important and just challenging, you know. So you know.
09:23:22 Attacking the reputation of the organization as we try to work, it is. And again, one of those counterproductive things that you know, saying, oh, they have a bad reputation.
And so they're doing this wrong is, you know.
09:23:34 Thank you.
09:23:35 Just not helpful, I guess, is what I'm saying. So I'm super grateful that they stepped up to.
09:23:41 Build this role. And they, I would say, they have a great reputation. And they're doing a lot of good work. And this is challenging work, too.
09:23:49 They. No one gets everything right. But you just keep, I think.
09:23:52 The most important thing that I'd like to. I guess.
09:23:54 Leave this topic on right now is.
09:23:57 Bayside continues to say, Yeah, we'll come to the public meeting with all of the folks. We'll come to the the table. We want to get this right. And and we need to get it right
for our organization as well. And that's that's you know, a pretty small needle to threat.
09:24:15 Okay, it is 9, 24.
09:24:18 Any other one else like to make public comment today.
09:24:21 Lots of names there.
09:24:24 Hit the raise hand button or star 9. If you're on the phone we'd love to hear from you.
09:24:33 Okay? Well, I will keep it open for another few minutes, and we can turn to the consent agenda. Pretty robust consent, agenda. Any questions or comments.
09:24:43 Kate or Heidi.
09:24:46 Well, the item 2 is huge.
09:24:49 And super grateful that we got a great contractor to do that phase of.
09:24:54 Sewer work and had luck, and I live in the midst of it. It's happening folks.
09:24:58 I think the road sign showed up on my street today. My quiet little corner of Hadlock is about to be invaded. So you're getting a grind upon.
09:25:08 Eventually, all right. I think, yeah.
09:25:10 I don't know how they're gonna hook it up to my ancient.
09:25:14 Septic system, but.
09:25:16 We'll figure it out. They're gonna hook it up to your septic. Oh, you're outflow, anyway, just grateful for all the work going on, and they're doing a good job of managing.
09:25:27 Traffic confusion, and had, like I love, all the traffic upgrades we're getting on the Peninsula right now is downtown. Hadlock is.
09:25:34 Is confusing some days at best, but.
09:25:38 I don't have anything else to call out on. I mean.
09:25:42 So much good work here, grateful to see the laundry voucher program.
09:25:47 Getting more funding.
09:25:50 Should have been a surveyor.
09:25:53 I would see when I see us.
09:25:55 Giving contracts, a survey, or something like that's 1 of the jobs I wanted to do.
09:26:01 Yeah.
09:26:03 Alright, nothing else to call out any any comments or questions.
09:26:07 Nope, Nope, just great work to our team for getting all these to the finish line.
09:26:12 Yeah, I'll just, I mean, really happy, as we already talked about to see the laundry vouchers on there and moving forward again.
09:26:19 I thought the historical document image enhancement was.
09:26:24 Really interesting contract to look through. It seemed like a great like we should. We should have those skills for our office, too. I don't know through that. But the way that
they're straightening things out and and like lowering data needs data requirements for saving the files by getting rid of all the black stuff or turning, you know, inverting the black
stuff. I just feel like.
09:26:46 It was a great template to build our own capacity as well, but
09:26:52 And especially because the.
09:26:54 Like. It seems like if we did the 1st part of the contract.
09:26:58 So we could get the expertise that we could save the 200,000 part of the contract that, you know, is now doing 150,000 more documents. It's like $30,000 to set up the system.
And then, you know, a dollar per page to do 150,000 pages worth of.
09:27:16 Got it. But I'm not gonna bulk or anything. I just you know, sometimes, looking at that, it seems like that's capacity that we would always.
09:27:23 Be able to use. And it's sometimes even.
09:27:27 Small organizations I feel like developing that might be worthwhile.
09:27:30 But.
09:27:32 Also sad to see Gray leaving the oh, that was sad advisory committee. So those are. Those are big.
09:27:40 Choose to fill for all of us, and.
09:27:42 We'll get right to work on that, I guess.
09:27:45 But you are teams already working on it. So.
09:27:50 Kate, if you don't have anything, I'm happy to make a motion.
09:27:53 Okay, I'll move to approve the consent. Agenda for August 5.th
09:28:00 A second.
09:28:01 Right, and moved and seconded to approve and adopt the consent. Agenda, as presented.
09:28:05 All in favor indicate by saying, Aye.
09:28:08 Aye, aye.
09:28:10 Can you post? All right? That is unanimous.
09:28:14 Alright, thank you for that, and we will move. Well, I guess not a lot of time, for just we're joined by Greg Ballard here, and I don't. Maybe.
09:28:23 Yeah, they're all timed. Oh, Gotcha, we are okay. So I saw Melissa in the zoom room, and we can bring Melissa over and we will.
09:28:32 30. So we have 2Â min.
09:28:34 Can I? Can I make an announcement which is that after our 1015.
09:28:40 Agenda item. We're gonna be joined by Phil Hunker to look at some draft documents.
09:28:48 Between the County and the Point Treaty Council for the Trust land transfer.
09:28:54 Treaty rights, protection, so.
09:28:57 Carolyn put a little placeholder in, but just fyi that's coming as well.
09:29:02 Thank you for your work on that over. The weekend Commissioner Dean.
09:29:07 Well, I think Phil Hensker spent the whole weekend working on it. So my.
09:29:11 Review was very minor in comparison.
09:29:14 They reached out to me and I was literally out on the race course with with a sheet in my hand. I'm like, Okay, I'm on the water. It's funny.
09:29:25 We racing.
09:29:27 Hear more about that? Okay, so we have that after the 1015 workshop.
09:29:32 Anything else to add to the schedule today.
09:29:37 If it's a pack schedule, I don't think schedule.
09:29:44 Promotion to balance. I don't know if you heard that, Melissa, but is, unless you're coming down here in person, you'll need to accept promotion to panelists to join us.
09:29:53 The zoom room.
09:30:01 I can pause for 1Â min. Is she accepting.
09:30:12 Someone. Raise your hand, give us a high signal, some sort.
09:30:17 What you want us to do on this county's litigation against Dcf. Related to juvenile rehabilitation, intake.
09:30:25 Anyone ready to come. Talk about it, pull this out would love to. I bet she's walking downstairs. That's my guess.
09:30:33 Good morning, Greg. Hello! You got a joke. We got a minute to fill here, you know. The words to Loud and Wainwright.
09:30:42 The swimming song, because.
09:30:44 Gonna have a single on a little later.
09:30:46 Part of my briefing.
09:30:48 You got it? Are you a.
09:30:50 For us. It went through the High School.
09:30:53 Sales, and she's working at the.
09:30:56 Maritime center as a.
09:30:59 Lifeguard, and a little
09:31:07 Cool last, Kate as well now.
09:31:13 Just grabbing more cough drops.
09:31:15 Alright. Yeah.
09:31:16 Keep it coming!
09:31:18 Maybe.
09:31:19 Did you hear?
09:31:21 Oh, she's gone.
09:31:22 Adios, Colin. I thought about you this weekend, Kate, as I was weeding. Remember you talking about weeding a lot.
09:31:29 Sitting up here on the yeah. My body is like, Wow! That was combat weeding this weekend.
09:31:37 What, what did he say?
09:31:38 I talked to her staff. That will tell her.
09:31:41 Or ask for, accept the motion panelists, or come in.
09:31:43 Okay with a regular meeting. So we can always just flip these guys, too. Right?
09:31:48 As long as those doesn't start before the time is so good. Later.
09:31:51 You could do a little commission briefing until we find.
09:31:56 Alright, someone wanna.
09:32:10 Good morning, Mr. Hunter.
09:32:12 Morning I can fill in for Melissa, if need be.
09:32:15 Okay, yeah, we're not. We're trying to get a hold of her. But
09:32:20 I, you know, want to give her a chance to do it. Do you know if she's in the office or.
09:32:25 You don't have that information.
09:32:25 I I don't know whether she was planning on attending virtually or.
09:32:30 Or in person, but I know she was planning on being here.
09:32:33 Okay.
09:32:34 Well, let's give it one more minute. I appreciate you.
09:32:38 Stepping up.
09:32:43 Yeah, I don't know. What's your what's your pleasure? You want to have.
09:32:46 Phil pinch or or move to great. Oh, okay, great.
09:32:52 Welcome, Melissa!
09:32:57 I'm so sorry I was trying to switch over and.
09:33:07 Apparently.
09:33:01 With the outage. On last Friday I had to restart my computer. It was not letting me connect the drives. So just one second, while I.
09:33:09 Yep, take your time.
09:33:09 Got the headphone reconnected.
09:33:11 Okay.
09:33:13 That was quite the outage on Friday. It was big. Did it impact you over in Hamilton? It was just Ness's corner this way, right.
09:33:21 It impacted my.
09:33:21 No, it's really widespread, for Ludlow was out.
09:33:26 Most. Yeah, much of the county.
09:33:28 I wasn't at home so, but it so I was at my mom's, and.
09:33:31 It definitely.
09:33:33 Even the phones.
09:33:35 Yeah.
09:33:36 Because Adia was trying to get some information from me, and I was like, I can't.
09:33:40 Can't do anything right now. I'm sorry.
09:33:44 Well.
09:33:47 We'll give Melissa a few more moments. There we go.
09:33:49 Hey? Headphone and webcam connected.
09:33:52 Alright!
09:33:54 Yes, so.
09:33:55 We've come to the board here this morning on behalf of the prosecuting office.
09:34:01 To request authorization to be added as a participant.
09:34:06 To the lawsuit that's been filed by Pacifica Law group.
09:34:10 On behalf of Wasac, the Washington State Association of Counties.
09:34:14 And it looks like 12 other counties.
09:34:23 And at the time that I did.
09:34:29 The hearing request the lawsuit had not been filed. So we are here now. On Monday morning, the 5.th
09:34:35 And the lawsuit has been filed.
09:34:39 So.
09:34:40 The status of everything is that there are several other counties that are coming before their boards.
09:34:47 To request authorization, and that if we are added or approved to be added as a participant.
09:34:54 That there would be amended complaint that would include Jefferson County. So when you're not preluted because we didn't get in
09:35:02 When they 1st filed. But there's been an update provided to Pacifica.
09:35:08 And the other counties, that if we do get approval, that we will join in on that amendment.
09:35:16 Great. And you wanna just kind of give us the high. I mean, we've read through that.
09:35:21 The agenda request, of course, and and the materials. But you want to talk about a little bit about what the the lawsuit.
09:35:28 Pertains to. You know the elevator pitch.
09:35:31 Sure. So on July 5th of this year. The.
09:35:36 I.
09:35:37 Department of Children, Families Services.
09:35:41 Announced that they were going to put a freeze.
09:35:44 On admissions to juvenile rehabilitation centers in Washington State.
09:35:50 This was, really a blow for our county, because we had.
09:35:56 Just recently sentenced.
09:36:01 No.
09:36:02 Oh, we lost you, Melissa.
09:36:05 Turn off video, maybe.
09:36:06 Try turning off. Video. Melissa.
09:36:11 And close your mouth. Jeez.
09:36:13 Juvenile rehabilitation center with Dcif so.
09:36:18 That was quite a shock to the system.
09:36:23 For our county.
09:36:25 Oh!
09:36:22 Sorry, Melissa, can you go back? We lost you for like 20 seconds between the beginning of that sentence and the end. Can you repeat? So? July 5.th
09:36:30 Yes, so we had just sentenced someone to Dcf's Detention Center, and then we were getting ready to sentence another one. And so that date had already been set. And.
09:36:44 Our juvenile services administrator had to work some to hustle and work some magic to try to figure out what was gonna be done for that individual.
09:36:57 That was anticipated be sentenced to the Detention center. So I'm in the State of Washington. If the sentence is over 30 days, then it's mandatory that they'd be the person
be housed in a Dcf. Detention Center. We had very.
09:37:14 Limited options. Because we could not.
09:37:19 Either.
09:37:20 Not follow through, or the court could not choose to impose a.
09:37:26 Illegal sentence. So we know that the sentence was mandatory. And then where does this individual go?
09:37:32 So that was something that's been an issue just in this last month since that freeze came down.
09:37:40 And it's specific to our jurisdiction. Additionally, we are different from some of the other jurisdictions because we don't have a detention center in our jurisdiction, we contract
with other jurisdictions.
09:37:54 And what I was trying to identify in the hearing or agenda request was that there's already this like blowback, or pass down from other counties, because.
09:38:04 They, too, are experiencing. This, you know, freeze.
09:38:08 And then having to hold individuals that are not being transported in their facility. So you know, the pass down is that means their facility is full now, or they're you know.
09:38:20 Looking at having to reduce their numbers to anticipate.
09:38:22 So then they're not wanting to take our individuals. So it's this additional compounded
09:38:30 Stress on our jurisdiction. And that's 1 of the reasons we are asking to join the lawsuit because we do have a specific cause of action here. And additional
09:38:43 Remedy that we would want to address.
09:38:47 Then there's the impact of having as many named counties as we can join the lawsuit, because it does also speak to the nature and impact that this decision has on our counties
across the State of Washington.
09:39:00 Thank you, Melissa, and and on the agenda it said, discussion. But you're looking for action for a motion today from us to join the lawsuit? Does that act correct?
09:39:08 Yes.
09:39:07 That is correct. Yes.
09:39:09 Yeah.
09:39:09 So we'll just do a quick public comment before we vote on any action that we take. To give anyone a chance to to weigh in seems.
09:39:17 Pretty cut dry.
09:39:18 Do your job. The cascading impacts, if you don't, are pretty significant.
09:39:24 Oh, sorry! Kate had her hand on Heidi.
09:39:26 Just to say that, you know it's it's I think it's important to point out that you know Jefferson County. I won't speak for other counties, and certainly can't speak for our
prosecutor or juvenile Services department. But I have spent a lot of time talking with.
09:39:39 Our team about this. It's, you know. Nobody relishes.
09:39:45 Detaining juveniles. This is something that we take very seriously, that that is done when there is a a danger to to oneself for the youth or to someone else.
09:39:57 This is something we don't do very often we are unique and having a proctor house here, in fact, to try to prevent detention.
09:40:04 But it is a low security and not sufficient for the the types of charges that we're discussing here.
09:40:12 You know my, my desire to support this is really about holding the State to its statutory requirements.
09:40:20 And I think we do a really good job of trying to get youth to the.
09:40:25 Up.
09:40:25 Best place for them to.
09:40:27 Rehabilitate and you know our team says that.
09:40:31 Very occasionally. That is a detention facility, and we end up.
09:40:36 Absorbing so much of the constant impact of our justice system which this date is really supposed to be. They are constitutionally required to do so and statutory. And so I
think this is just another opportunity for us to say, Hey, state, remember you, you have this.
09:40:53 Requirement that you're not fulfilling yet again. So that's my interest in supporting it.
09:40:58 And I would just add, I.
09:41:01 A pinch, pinch it for Commissioner Dean, and one was Act meeting, where we voted to.
09:41:06 For Wasac to move forward with this lawsuit, and some of the context that I gleaned in preparation for that meeting was.
09:41:13 The the state facilities are over capacity, but that's not.
09:41:17 Our fault right and so.
09:41:20 It feels like, you know, this.
09:41:23 This action that we're proposing to take is going to help hold the feet to the fire of the State to do the right thing, and build the capacity.
09:41:33 For the youth that need housing.
09:41:36 When they're in this situation. And so I you know it makes perfect sense to me.
09:41:41 Yes.
09:41:42 Both of you were much more eloquent than my do your job summation. But appreciate it, Monsieur Dean Eisenhower. Any other questions or comments.
09:41:55 Alright! I'd welcome a motion.
09:41:57 I'm happy to make a motion to approve Jefferson County's.
09:42:01 Participation in the lawsuit by the Washington State Association of.
09:42:06 Against the department of children, youth, and families related to its youth.
09:42:12 And young adult offenders sentenced into juvenile rehabilitation facilities.
09:42:16 Consistent with the law.
09:42:19 I'll second.
09:42:20 Okay, it's been moved and seconded since this wasn't listed as an action item, we will open it up for public comments. So if anyone is with us in the room, you can raise your
physical hand or online, you can raise your virtual hand or hit Star 9. If you're on the phone.
09:42:35 Make one more call. If anyone would like to make comment on this particular item, you can hit the raise hand button or star 9. If you're on the phone or raise your physical
hand, seeing none, I will close public comment and call the question all in favor of the motion on the floor, indicate by saying, Aye.
09:42:51 Aye.
09:42:52 Alright, that motion passes unanimously.
09:42:55 Thank you.
09:42:56 Thank you, Melissa. Thank you, Melissa.
09:42:59 Okay, well, we have a. We've made it.
09:43:03 9, 45, yeah, a couple minutes. Here, so.
09:43:06 I guess. We have Josh and Phil and Greg in the room. We can take a moment. Let's just.
09:43:13 Recess for 2Â min to to get people into their places, and then, you don't need to be a microphone or anything. But please come, join Mark at the table. Whoever is appropriate.
09:43:22 And we will recess until 9, 45.
09:46:33 Just just look at.
09:46:36 Alright. I will call us back into session for our workshop. Regarding a hearing notice regarding Dcd fee schedule update.
09:46:44 With public.
09:46:48 We're gonna get our our screen up.
09:46:50 I gotta find it. I didn't realize I was gonna be the one.
09:46:55 No problem. I can.
09:47:01 I don't wanna shoot my watch, and it's like.
09:47:08 You know. Check off. If you see a gun on the.
09:47:11 Gun on the wall in the 1st act, you know, it's gotta be shot by the 3rd act. So I'm I'm trying to build.
09:47:17 Since I should put.
09:47:18 Place.
09:47:19 Suspense. Yeah, you should have it on the screen.
09:47:24 February 2040, with the new one.
09:47:28 Alright yep.
09:47:29 Take it away. Community development Director, 2 managers from Dcd with me today.
09:47:37 Great Valer Development Code administrator and Phil's here building official.
09:47:42 And I'm sorry. Should we bring Dcd. Guests over? That's often what Chelsea looks like.
09:47:52 Alright, nothing, if necessary, to explain anything great. So just to rewind a bit, we came to the board.
09:48:00 With a workshop.
09:48:01 On July 20, second.
09:48:03 To.
09:48:04 To talk about implementation of Senate Bill 52, 90, and also the results of a fee study done by the Fcs group.
09:48:12 And.
09:48:13 The result of that case study was that it recommended that to have a hundred cost recovery for our.
09:48:20 Cost recoverable services.
09:48:21 In terms of our permit fees, that we should be charging a higher hourly rate $123 and 20 cents per hour.
09:48:30 So.
09:48:31 What we've done is taken that number and.
09:48:35 Updated our.
09:48:37 Fee schedules for building permit fees, fire, marshal fees.
09:48:42 Land, you see, is most important in this case and other miscellaneous fees. And I say most importantly, because the building permit fees. As we talked about before, and Phil
can go into any.
09:48:51 Detail as needed.
09:48:54 Well, don't change in terms of the base fee. It's based on valuation. So that has not changed. Only those fees associated with building activities that.
09:49:04 Rely on an hourly rate would change.
09:49:05 So the biggest thing.
09:49:08 Mark. If you could scroll down or find the land, use fees. Get into that one just in a moment. Here, I'm gonna hand it over to Greg to to review what the land use. Fee schedule
will look like under. If we were to.
09:49:23 Have a hundred percent cost recovery in the question of.
09:49:29 Fighting efficiencies in permanent review. We have also made some modifications, as we suggested in our last workshop.
09:49:35 To that schedule, identifying certain permits, a handful of permits that.
09:49:40 We believe that, reassessing the.
09:49:43 The average time spent on those we could take the base feed down based on that hour using the new hourly rate. But the multiplier is.
09:49:51 It's less. In other words, we assume fewer hours just for a few of these, and Greg can explain that in a moment.
09:49:56 There's 1 that we're setting a little higher. That's the hearing examiner being that's just based on the cost of.
09:50:01 A typical hearing and.
09:50:03 What our contract is with our current examiner.
09:50:07 And then so and we've highlighted that possibly Greg's highlighted response, we can go over here. So what we're doing today just to summarize is we're showing you.
09:50:16 What the updated land use. Fee schedules would look like.
09:50:19 If.
09:50:21 The proposed resolution that we're moving forward with the Board this month.
09:50:25 Were to be passed, or were to be adopted, as is.
09:50:28 We'll also have an ordinance to go along with that. And that's because I believe we're one of the last departments that are fee based.
09:50:34 To transition from.
09:50:36 From having the fees and the code itself to having the fees adopted by resolution. In order to do that, you need to do ordinance which the Po has helped us with prosecuting.
09:50:45 Attorney's office, and we also have a corresponding resolution that adopts the new fees concurrently.
09:50:51 And UN.
09:50:52 With feedback from the board. We've set that hearing now earlier. I think it's.
09:50:56 August 19th of memory serves.
09:50:59 And.
09:50:59 So in order to do that, we have a hearing notice today for approval.
09:51:04 And if that hearing loss is approved this morning, then we can submit it to the leader by noon. Get it published on Wednesday.
09:51:12 Then the proposed ordinance and resolution of all the supporting materials will be in that laser. On Wednesday, the date of publication.
09:51:20 To support the.
09:51:22 What we're proposing and.
09:51:24 The subject of the hearing that'll be on the 19.th So that's the plan for today is to talk about this. See if you have any questions.
09:51:30 And then ask you to approve a hearing. Notice that we can submit it by.
09:51:36 Unless there's any questions, I'm gonna turn it over to Greg.
09:51:39 Just to talk about these highlighted pieces like we're good.
09:51:44 This is pretty much. I took the existing preordinates, and I reorganized it by like case type, so that it would be easier to find which fee would apply to what.
09:51:54 The 1st thing I added was I, added the cam, since it seemed like the.
09:52:00 The homeowner, homebuilders, and the realtors and the commissioners one of the cams. So we added a 2Â h cam.
09:52:05 At the top. There.
09:52:08 The next thing we did was the shoreline.
09:52:11 Instead of just charging hours for a flat line exemption, we said, if you meet the standard line buffer of 150.
09:52:18 Of.
09:52:19 Or 160, with structures. We only charge 2 feet 7Â h, so that would.
09:52:25 You know that basically, you know, doesn't take that long to review something back from.
09:52:32 When your head watermark.
09:52:34 We also added a different.
09:52:37 Sdrs, we have 3 different types.
09:52:39 The 1st type we have is just a legal out of records, or whatever we have a limited, which is, you already have a house.
09:52:47 Or or endeavor structure. One put, let's say, a garage or something in the developed area. We're only gonna charge you 1Â h for that so the 3Â h.
09:52:55 The lot consolidation, something that we do when we go through the Sdr process. If we make people combined.
09:53:03 We weren't 4Â h. We're doing that 2Â h. It's a really popular process with the Assessor, and everybody likes that.
09:53:11 The next one is on the forestry version option harvest plans. I've done a lot of them here.
09:53:17 They were charging 7Â h.
09:53:19 It's it's a really good product that we do. Where you know 40 of the tree you only have 40 of the trees. Keep all sizing classes.
09:53:28 So I reduce that from 7 to 4, based on my experience with those applications.
09:53:33 The next thing is on the shoreline potential development and the cup. They were 25Â h, and I made it just 21Â h just the same.
09:53:43 As a shoreline variance, because, with my experience, is a harder application than those 2 types.
09:53:51 And then finally, we didn't have that pr Rd, so I just added that.
09:53:56 And so.
09:53:57 What the fees are is.
09:54:00 Just a way of trying to.
09:54:02 After a year over a year of being here. I kind of know how much, how much time it takes to each of these types of cases. Now, yeah, one quick note on these shoreline substantial
development permit or Sdp.
09:54:15 Since 2,014 is my understanding, perhaps earlier, but I believe it's since 2,014. That's been a type 3. Permit with a hearing. I believe that was one of the things that was
identified early on in the regulatory form concept to change that back to a type 2.
09:54:30 Permanent with just public notice.
09:54:31 Which is what most jurisdictions do and what Jefferson County did before the last major shoreline master program update. So that will change. That substantial development will
will become.
09:54:43 If if it went, the board adopts an update to the charline master program that includes when not if or when come on.
09:54:53 If and when exactly, can't predict that.
09:54:57 The nice thing about that is.
09:55:00 So be 21Â h, but we will have to charge that 1,400.
09:55:11 All right. Is that.
09:55:13 Questions, got comments.
09:55:14 I guess I have one question about the cam. I appreciate, you know, considering the cam, and you know, finding a place that works for the department, too. I mean, I know that.
You know people want 3 cams, of course, and we've offered that. And I would. I'm just gonna.
09:55:29 I guess. Repeat my understanding of it, and please let me know if I'm understanding this move correctly. You know, we had.
09:55:36 You know, actually given budget and and money for for Dcd. To offer free cams. And I, and with the understanding that those cams get bundled into the price of an application.
So if someone actually.
09:55:49 You know.
09:55:51 Pull the permit after the cam. Then we get paid for it, but if they don't.
09:55:54 And we don't end up getting paid for it. And my understanding was that many of the
09:56:00 Cams that we were having ended up being not turning into permits, but just kind of being. Oh, should I buy this property? And and just kind of being a time suck that didn't
have
09:56:11 You know, obviously was not hitting cost recovery. If there wasn't an application pulled, I guess, with my understanding. There, I see why this is. But can you talk about the.
09:56:19 I guess the thought process behind charging for cams and and the 2Â h, the 2Â h that you put on it.
09:56:27 I'll take a shot first, st and then turn it over to Greg. So.
09:56:31 Rewinding back to what you were saying, Commissioner, about.
09:56:34 About the board, deciding to give additional budget to Dcd. To have cams that wouldn't have a fee associated with them before they did. My understanding is that was.
09:56:44 Maybe 3 years ago, maybe 2.
09:56:46 I'm not sure when. But whatever that was, it occurred in that one single year, and maybe in the next year. I'm not sure about that, Adams question, because, handling our finances
at the time.
09:56:57 But that is not part of our budget now, so we don't have that. So what we're thinking more is.
09:57:03 Greg was identifying that typical land. Use questions. Take less time than an hour. You don't need to set up an appointment. People were self. Selecting the appointments, we
would have repeat customers. We'd have no shows. We have the wrong staff aside. Sometimes Phil would be called in, but really it was a not a building permit question. It was a manus
question. And so Greg and his team on the land use side of just move things around so that we try to answer people's questions by email.
09:57:28 Phone. I just dropped in appointment or just.
09:57:31 You know, kind of meet with you this Thursday at such and such a time. Yes, kind of approach.
09:57:36 Because most of them are just fairly easy questions that could be answered so, and now that said that they still wanted, like the realtors, and the builders, like Greg said,
still wanted.
09:57:44 The chance to have an appointment. That was was on the next level of formality. If you will have a secure time and have some time built in for staff to research a set of questions.
And so that's what we're providing here is that.
09:57:56 The next step beyond that would be a pre application conference.
09:57:58 We are considering one of those lists of things from the 52 90.
09:58:04 That if you were to make.
09:58:07 Pre-application Conferences, completely voluntary, is in there, but the word make them but voluntary, and by implication you think all kinds of Pre-apps, then we would qualify
as one of those lists of 10 things that we could pick, or 8 things.
09:58:21 Now there's right. Now we have.
09:58:24 Mandatory pre-application for some types of premise the most complicated among the permits. And then someone could ask for one, or the administrator could waive. The code administrator
could waive the requirement. So we're thinking about going to a process where.
09:58:37 It's all. It's all voluntary. There's some implications to that. We could get applications that don't have all the materials go back and forth.
09:58:44 But we're thinking about that. So that would be the next level of an optional things, because that implies that we were going to organize with other departments, including perhaps
even other agencies that are outside of the county agency.
09:58:55 To get all the information we possibly can gathered on a particular application for those that are most complicated. That's the pre application conference.
09:59:03 Probably 4Â h of work. I can't remember what that was. It's on here.
09:59:07 Then we have, like Greg, is set up as the cams per request.
09:59:10 And then we have, and then we have
09:59:13 And then we have just the normal things that don't. You know, when we get to a point where.
09:59:18 It's now we're we're past. I don't know how long you'd say 15Â min, half an hour, 20Â min, whatever it is that we decide. Okay, this is getting more complicated than just a
simple question that will set up again.
09:59:28 Right, and the whole idea is that the.
09:59:32 You.
09:59:33 If you come into the office you get 15Â min with.
09:59:37 With a staff member if they start to ask really complicated questions, or they want to come in on Friday, or they want something more formal.
09:59:43 We have. Like 2 options, you can either do a pre app, which is more like for the other departments, or you could have, like your specific questions answered by a planner, and
get something kind of in writing.
09:59:57 The whole idea that we also have.
10:00:00 You could also do it on site, so we could add 2Â h for a site visit, because a lot of times.
10:00:07 You know, it's a lot easier to give them the answer. If you actually see what's going on. Site.
10:00:11 So there's.
10:00:13 They're just 4 choices. This is more, for, like somebody's coming into out of town on a Friday, they wanna have.
10:00:18 Something formal.
10:00:19 You know, 2Â h is a little bit.
10:00:22 A little bit high, but.
10:00:23 They're not. There's there's a lot of work. But I got started here.
10:00:28 We were spending a lot of times on the cam. So then I took over, along with David and.
10:00:33 A lot of them were just repeat questions or a lot of the world Sdrs that were very useful, and we really just have the capacity to do them.
10:00:40 I think now that we have the capacity to do it, we're basically putting back on the menu. I don't think we would credit them for.
10:00:47 The fees for the application, either Gotcha.
10:00:52 Okay, great. That's helpful. I I appreciate it, you know. I think often we see.
10:00:56 What's what's the.
10:00:58 Output and the interface with the customer, and I I just.
10:01:02 At this time it was reasonable, and I just appreciate you kind of breaking down the but process behind it, and the different ways that people come in to get their questions
answered and potential applicants and applicants. So that's helpful. Any other questions for for Josh and Greg and.
10:01:16 But I just.
10:01:15 Very clear.
10:01:18 Hi! But the 15Â min you just mentioned, Greg, is that is that free of charge?
10:01:24 Yes.
10:01:26 And are those scheduled, or how does one go about doing that?
10:01:31 It's they're either drop in or people said this an email or a phone call, and we'll get back with them.
10:01:38 In the in the way that's most convened for everyone.
10:01:42 But we just don't charge a fee if it's a short question, and then sometimes that they start asking.
10:01:48 A lot more detailed questions. This will give our.
10:01:51 Our team a chance to say, Well, that's this seems really complicated.
10:01:55 Would you like to do a cam or pre app instead? And actually.
10:02:00 Gets get a more affordable response.
10:02:02 Great. Thank you.
10:02:04 Great. And of course we're not deciding these things right now. But we're setting up a hearing that will have public testimony. So yeah, I mean, really what we wanted to see.
Gauge your comfort level on going forward with a hearing.
10:02:17 And that still gives us, even according to the schedule that we're proposing an effective date of September first, st it still gives time in the second half of the month to
make that decision.
10:02:27 So if you're feeling comfortable enough that this information should go out together with the ordinance and the resolution the public to comment upon.
10:02:34 Then we would ask you to approve the hearing. Notice.
10:02:37 If there were additional questions or you wanted to come back. But you know another workshop that would obviously change the schedule. And we'd just react level with moving
forward on this.
10:02:50 I'm.
10:02:51 Very comfortable.
10:02:53 Provides.
10:02:54 Clarity for the public. So public comment on this. So after we after emotions made which we're ready for, we can. Is there anything we want to say on the fire, marshal piece
while we're here. That's a great question. So the fire marshal Fees will follow the same path forward as the
10:03:14 Per hour, wise as the billing fees, and what the rest of the Bcd. However, the pharmace by resolution. So we don't have to go through the ordinance process to take them out,
put them back in at the resolution.
10:03:23 So it would just be the same straight across the boarding fees. All of those are based upon hourly rates.
10:03:32 Great, and I see there's a number of miscellaneous fees that were added, but they all make sense so.
10:03:40 Most to life, right.
10:03:42 What's the lady?
10:03:43 Okay.
10:03:45 Any last questions I'd welcome a motion.
10:03:53 I move that we approve the hearing. Notice.
10:03:56 So that it can be submitted.
10:03:59 By noon Monday by noon today.
10:04:01 The newspaper Record.
10:04:04 To request public notice on August 7th and August 14.th
10:04:10 Should we say for a hearing on.
10:04:12 Sure I was just reading off the.
10:04:15 We're hearing on the Dcd fee schedule update and hearing. Yeah.
10:04:20 Thank you. And I'm.
10:04:21 I can't get many words out without starting to cough, so thank you, Heidi. A second.
10:04:26 Alright. It's been moved and seconded, and we do have public comment on this. So we'll we'll pause here and ask if anyone we don't have any public in the room, but anyone online
can raise their hand with the raised hand button or star 9. If you're on the phone.
10:04:37 If you would like to make. If I will comment on this hearing, let's bring this to.
10:04:46 Morning. You have 3Â min, Tom.
10:04:49 Oh, good morning. Thank you. Commissioners.
10:04:53 Yeah, I had a couple of comments on this. 1st of all, I wanted to.
10:04:57 Emphasize that when I spoke to this.
10:04:59 Topic.
10:05:00 I believe it was last meeting.
10:05:03 My comments were not intended to be critical of the current efficiency of these of the Department.
10:05:10 Simply concerned that.
10:05:12 That there's nothing in here, and what's being proposed.
10:05:16 That encourages Dcd. To be as efficient as possible. In other words, they can spend as many hours as they want to on a task.
10:05:23 And say, Well, that's what it costs.
10:05:25 Yeah, there. There are no guardels on that.
10:05:27 So I don't know how to have no documentation whatsoever to say. Other Dcd. Is currently operating as efficiently as possible or not. So again. It's not a criticism of.
10:05:38 Current operations, but.
10:05:40 A cautionary. Note.
10:05:42 And along those lines. Now, Dcd. Fees will no longer be subject to passage by ordinance.
10:05:51 Assuming this, goes forward.
10:05:53 But merely by resolution.
10:05:57 As with all the other
10:05:59 Fees that are being now done this way.
10:06:01 The concern is that.
10:06:04 And and across the board.
10:06:05 Is that there are no guardrails there. There are no upper bounds on any of these things. The fees that are requested by the departments are, gonna be the fees that are gonna
be passed, and.
10:06:15 There's gonna be a little less scrutiny because it doesn't come in the form of an ordinance.
10:06:20 That's that's concern.
10:06:22 And I don't know what the answer is to that, but I would suggest that.
10:06:28 So that some overriding guardrail be put in place, something like.
10:06:34 Using the the implicit price Deflator.
10:06:37 As as an upper bound for the rate of increase.
10:06:41 In some of these these labor fees.
10:06:43 Something like that would really be a little bit of insurance for the public to to know that things are not gonna get totally out of hand when it comes to the county's needs
to raise money for.
10:06:56 Providing the services that that the county provides.
10:07:01 I I think that's about it. With respect to these proposed increases. I I do hope that they are all reasonable, and I.
10:07:09 I definitely hope that the Department will continue to operate as efficiently as possible.
10:07:15 And we'll keep our fingers crossed
10:07:18 I hope that the Department also.
10:07:21 Actually does what they say they're going to do when it comes to certain fees like, for example, when I had.
10:07:28 A rerof done on my house, and when I had solar panels put on.
10:07:31 Nobody came out to do the inspection.
10:07:34 In either of those 2 cases.
10:07:35 Nobody physically showed up on my site.
10:07:37 What the heck was I paying for.
10:07:39 The county, provided to me no benefit.
10:07:43 For that that fee. A fee is supposed to be charged.
10:07:46 4.
10:07:47 A service, provided Dcd. Provided no service. All they did was collect my money.
10:07:53 Course, I brought that concern to the attention of the previous director, and I was just laughed at. We said no.
10:07:58 No, never happened. No, no, you must be wrong.
10:08:01 Well, I was not wrong. I wasn't lying. They were.
10:08:05 Not talking about the current director, but I hope that behavior has improved.
10:08:10 Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox. Thank you.
10:08:12 Thank you, Mr. Chair. We'll respond all public comment after we.
10:08:17 After we hear it all something out.
10:08:18 You can. We'd love to hear what you have to.
10:08:21 Add to this topic about the fee schedule, update and hearing.
10:08:26 Good morning. I, too, would like to
10:08:32 Address the lack of guardrails on Dcd. Fees. I think that there has to be, especially where consultants are concerned. There are hours and hours and hours that could be added
to something that aren't really built in, and I think that there is a propensity to add a considerable amount of money to a project.
10:08:56 That could do a project and could make Jefferson County even further, not a friendly county to work in. And I really think we need to take a look at that before anything more
is done. Thank you.
10:09:09 Thank you, Mr. Announced. Like to make public comment on this hearing. We are completing.
10:09:18 Make one more call. If you're in the zoom room you can hit the raise hand button or star 9. If you're on the phone to make public comment on this.
10:09:25 Motion that is on floor.
10:09:28 All right, seeing no one else, I will close, and I don't know Kate Heidi. Any response to public comment before we move to the vote.
10:09:35 Well, it sounds like the comments about guardrails on the increases are not.
10:09:40 Directed a Dcd. But more of a.
10:09:43 Full Cloth.
10:09:44 You know some kind of overriding.
10:09:47 Policy around.
10:09:49 A cap on fee increases, or something so.
10:09:52 I don't know how we would achieve that, but.
10:09:58 But Chris like to say, like the second note, says that once.
10:10:01 The base fees exceeded will notify the applicant. If there's additional fees.
10:10:06 I've been doing permits on the Peninsula for like 21 years.
10:10:09 I've never gone over the base once, and I'd be real reluctant to basically have any of my staff go over that base. The.
10:10:16 And it'd have to be a really good reason for that.
10:10:20 I'd like to add, during you know, when Greg was addressing the highlighted items on on the.
10:10:26 The few schedule. How how many of those?
10:10:30 Where he reduced the number of hours, and so I would.
10:10:34 Say that validates our approach to fee and.
10:10:38 You know, cost in the county.
10:10:40 And.
10:10:42 If they don't recover fees from applicants, then the general fund has to fill in the void.
10:10:49 No, and I would, that was gonna be. My second comment is, I appreciate you taking a real look at this and looking at where fees or estimated hours may be over.
10:10:58 What what the work actually takes. And I really appreciate that kind of look at this. So.
10:11:03 Thank you for doing that. Greg and Josh.
10:11:06 Just to add to what Greg said there, the 1st thing that came to mind when I heard the term Garville's come up is that we are subject to the reasonable fees provision in the
law, and it's referenced in the agenda request. If anyone's interested, that's the Rcw. That we have to follow, so I can't speak for other departments of their fees.
10:11:23 Only for hours, and then we are subject to that clause so.
10:11:27 That's that's the context in which we're proposing these fees.
10:11:30 And also, as Greg mentioned, it's it's rare when we would exceed the base fee. It happens on occasion. It has happened at least.
10:11:39 When I rejoin the county before Greg, there was a complicated case that was already in process. And it, you know, we're talking, not just a public hearing from the hearing,
but 3 days worth of, scheduled for public hearing, and.
10:11:51 And of course, the the attention there was just to recuperate the costs. We get the bill from hearing pass it on to the applicant for those rare but sometimes complicated projects,
so.
10:12:03 Yeah. And I and I would add, much like money. And Samantha on sewer fees where they showed where we are relevant to other jurisdictions.
10:12:13 Rc. Appears reasonable. The same thing applies here. I think there was one government.
10:12:17 The charge. What 147 bucks.
10:12:21 An hour.
10:12:22 And we're 1, 23.
10:12:24 2.
10:12:25 I think that validates again the approach that Dcd. Took in these rates subject to your approval in the public hearing, of course, and I'd point out to that. You know the regulatory
reform ordinance that we did in 2,019. It's great to see that.
10:12:40 Implemented in the open space conversation we're gonna have later with Dcd, I think that's a great example of looking to reduce that regulatory burden. So I you know.
10:12:48 I have a lot of faith, and in the.
10:12:50 The department as it's as it's operating right now in in trying to.
10:12:56 Streamline the operations and get these things you know, as efficiently as possible out. And they caught money and and appropriate 100 cost recovery is.
10:13:03 What we need to do. I think this is this is great, and of course we'll have more.
10:13:08 Input on this as we go through the the hearing itself. So this is really, should we have this conversation.
10:13:13 There's 1 more topic that came up.
10:13:15 And I wanna give Phil a chance to respond to.
10:13:19 Mr. Tears brought up a specific instance, and it was prior to my time at least, and perhaps even prior to Phil's time.
10:13:25 But definitely prior to my time as director, I'm not. I don't think I don't know enough about the specific case to make a comment about it, but I wanted to give Bill chance
to talk about.
10:13:33 The different kinds of inspections, or what we look forward to. Solar.
10:13:37 Absolutely so. And Josh appreciate that. So yes, there are.
10:13:42 In a normal circumstance for any type of a solar, be it, there is a little bit more
10:13:47 Overall precedence. If it's a ground mount, we do a little bit more land. Use those sorts of things, but even for a solar, for a roof mount for Pv. Or for a roof replacement.
There would be at least one on site inspection schedule.
10:14:00 So not sure exactly what happened with this particular case. We weren't happy to take a look into it, or who
10:14:08 Was and the time, how long ago this was, you know, and I I definitely don't remember this particular case. So I believe Amanda prior to my
10:14:15 Tenure here at the county.
10:14:18 But yeah, typically.
10:14:20 We do have at least one
10:14:24 Physical inspection that would happen on each one of those over the counter type.
10:14:30 Usually. Sometimes we'll follow up to it. If there is a rerof is kind of hard to
10:14:36 We have had reinspectors on Reros, but doesn't happen very often, you know. Usually it's more water heaters that didn't have correcting that sort of a thing that wanted us.
You know minor things that either we have a.
10:14:48 Taking pictures of, and when we
10:14:51 Have that done through an email? Or you know we do a second site inspection
10:14:54 But yes, we do inspect anything that we collect a fee, for. We do provide a service. I think that was isolated incident, like. I said I'd be more than happy to dive into it,
but.
10:15:03 Alright!
10:15:05 Great. Thank you, gentlemen.
10:15:07 Anything else ready to. Okay? Well, I will. We've got a motion on the floor to approve the the request for a hearing on these fee
10:15:18 Right.
10:15:20 Fee schedule update I will call the question all in favor. Indicate by saying, Aye.
10:15:25 Aye! Hi!
10:15:27 Any opposed.
10:15:28 Alright, that is unanimous, and we're done just in time to jump into the
10:15:33 The next item, which is again, Phil. And I'm not sure if Brian is online. But thank you, Josh, thank you, Greg, and.
10:15:41 Please coming up, Phil, and do you have.
10:15:44 Document you want to share. You got a slide deck with this right.
10:16:04 Ryan. Do we expect Brian to come over.
10:16:08 No, thank you very much for having me.
10:16:10 I'm supposed to see her fire marshal in a Bill production county. Brian Trish, unfortunately, is on a wildwood call, and I couldn't join us this morning. He's meeting on the
Dnr. So I'm gonna try to get through this the best that I can. We did write it together, and we had originally.
10:16:28 Decided to to share different slides. So trace her voice for his slides. But we will still, still should be able to get all the information as you need to, and I'd be able to
have a conversation about this.
10:16:44 So this is for the resource resource request for the office of fire. Marshal.
10:16:50 And yeah, and commissioners. What we're experiencing here is a little.
10:16:54 Time lag where we created a function, and we were counting on grants and revenue stream, that neither of which have materialized.
10:17:06 And so, in order to ramp up the program, we're.
10:17:11 Requesting.
10:17:14 About 83,000 to equip the office, to ramp up the programs that the Board has approved and that are in our code.
10:17:22 And
10:17:25 So.
10:17:27 Anyway. Given recent economic news, it's sort of tough to ask for 83,000. But
10:17:34 You know I'm very supportive of the request, and I'll let.
10:17:38 They'll work through that.
10:17:39 Specifics. I don't thank you very much.
10:17:42 So this is just a slide. I explain a little bit about what the what does the fire marshal do.
10:17:47 So
10:17:48 As you on the board obviously know, are pretty familiar with what we do, but from public clarity. I cherry picked a little bit out of
10:17:58 Chapter.
10:17:59 2, 4 0, 2 0 the 500 should be responsible for fire and life. Safety inspections. Fire are some investigations.
10:18:06 Plan would be for compliance with fire and safety regulations.
10:18:09 And other associate duties, as further described.
10:18:12 Gcc. 15 0, 5 0, 2 0, which is our our building section of pev.
10:18:20 One of the other bullet points there is in the fire, Marshall, for any duties assigned under the Jackson County Code to the Fire code official or to the fire marshal.
10:18:28 The fire Marshal office is the county have in jurisdiction and is responsible as the fire code official across all of Jefferson Town.
10:18:36 So we do plan review inspections.
10:18:40 Address in your domain. Name.
10:18:42 Enforcement of burning regulations per our newly instituted
10:18:47 Outdoor burn regulation code monitors, atmosphere conditions that communicates with interested parties. So that is a big chunk of what we do. We have a lot of standing meetings
with the the Fire Chiefs Association, and all of the different districts around.
10:19:03 The county to make sure that we are still at an appropriate burn level restriction, and then we have a.
10:19:10 Science, and that we have a atmosphere. Conditions are reflected. What we have
10:19:15 Currently selected.
10:19:17 That goes in the last one there establishes a fire danger risk levels and corresponding restrictions.
10:19:23 So startup challenges. So this is actually, this is a recent event that we had over Shrine Road. We had an incident where Brian and I responded,
10:19:34 To to do an investigation. So those are actually on personal vehicles, because at the time we had a vehicle for DC.
10:19:41 In the in the office, in the, in the shop it was down for repairs we went to go, and that vehicle didn't have an program on a fuel that we loaded up arguing.
10:19:53 The funding needed for equipment for investigations.
10:19:57 Record Management software for inspections and investigations.
10:20:01 Communications with Jeffcom and fire and law enforcement partners.
10:20:06 Trainings. They currently.
10:20:08 Commercial and short term rental inspection programs are, that's what we're trying to get off the ground. We actually have started to send out.
10:20:16 Annual inspection reminders for short terminal programs. So we just started out last week. So we're really excited to get that.
10:20:23 Program up and running.
10:20:25 Public notification and outreach. We're currently limited to social media and county website. You know, we really don't have any kind of an advertising budget or anything like
that.
10:20:34 So it's kind of we're able to do. I mean,
10:20:38 Wendy Davis has been great about getting stuff on the county website and getting a word out there. We're utilizing a lot of QR codes and and links that link back to our web
page, especially with the short term rentals have offable forms and things. They're trying to help that out.
10:20:54 We'll see how it goes. Have? It's too early to tell. We haven't had a lot of
10:20:58 Response, public response from it yet, but.
10:21:02 Even with somebody who is relatively.
10:21:06 Technologically, technologically advanced.
10:21:07 You know, having it in a QR code, and then having the link, and everything is pretty straightforward as the what needs to happen.
10:21:15 And that also helps us from having to send out. You know, a 4 page permit application or questionnaire. Anything like that. I'm gonna have that have them return it to us. We
can also take fees online as well. So there's a lot of streamlining things we've already started off.
10:21:29 Without having to reinvent the wheel. So that's really nice. Also funding, you know. Eventually, future staffing we're looking to do in a clerk. Hire.
10:21:37 That sort of thing, not really part of this presentation, but just something to to have the note of.
10:21:44 So we are complete. So our number one this time and vehicle sharing has not been an ideal solution.
10:21:52 Is necessary to implement the short term rental and commercial programs.
10:21:57 So soil, clothing, and gear and evidence collected should be contained.
10:22:00 A clean tab, which is percentage and free is the industry standard for safety.
10:22:06 Crew. Tab F, 1 50 was selected as the best solution to fill the needs that we have. We worked with services with Josh Montgomery, to come up with what available options that
we would have through the state bin process.
10:22:18 Food. Cap. Configuration provides the maximum flexibility, confidential interviews, and.
10:22:25 Personnel, Seating.
10:22:27 Can it be in a bed organizer? A bed provides the best use of the carnival area, and then the back of the truck.
10:22:34 We work with Fleet to investigate vehicles. We started this process back when
10:22:41 Previously manager was, was in and started having this conversation, and they didn't have anything coming up then. They still don't have anything now, for, secondly, also lived
across the State for second life. Vehicles
10:22:54 Was more gentle, memories. First.st
10:22:57 You know. 1st choice for sure is that a fancy word? Is that fancy? 2 words for used? Yes, some has already been through a service life, and is timed out, you know, due to age
or mileage, or whatever else so.
10:23:11 You know some of it is already, you know.
10:23:13 In Josh's mind. He didn't want Fleet to be responsible to be responsible for something that's already, you know.
10:23:18 Pretty much a worn out vehicle. So there's a reason that they're going to auction. There's a reason that they're separate. So yes.
10:23:24 Secondly, those aren't used we did investigate an electric an F 4, 50 lightning we did not select it for various reasons which we can go into here.
10:23:34 We invested. We investigated grant opportunities. We are not eligible, or there's a lack of grant opportunities at this time.
10:23:43 Finishing the Cwpp was a huge step in that and Hazard mitigation program being eligible for rent funding right down the road.
10:23:51 But.
10:23:53 Not gonna be our timely solution for what we're trying to do.
10:23:57 Are you gonna go into? Why you didn't. So we could do that. Okay, I I knew that you had asked that Commissioner.
10:24:04 So one of the reasons that we were we did not. We looked into fy.
10:24:10 1st thing we looked at was, you know, range what kind of range we're going to get.
10:24:14 With an extended battery, which is an option vehicles on the State bid it was about a 300 mile.
10:24:22 Range is is what they offer in a pickup and a folder and pickup.
10:24:27 For lightning.
10:24:28 When you hook up a trailer to it, those numbers dip significantly.
10:24:34 They go down to about a hundred 27 mile range.
10:24:37 Now we're not. We don't plan on, but we are. Gonna have a canopy on. We are. Gonna have gear in the back of it, probably close to 1,000 pounds a year, but we established by
the time we get the the canopy, the bedside, and all of our gear in there.
10:24:50 So we we expect that we probably would have a shortage not entirely sure what that would be.
10:24:56 And in order for us to get around, it's not uncommon for a building inspector to put 300 5,400 miles a day on a vehicle.
10:25:04 Brandon Brown, one of our. He's he's he loves to drive. And there's not a problem for him to hit all of the county lines in one day.
10:25:13 So if we were to take the same vehicle, we need to respond to something out on the West End. I have a possible lack of infrastructure. Things like that.
10:25:22 Also. The other thing of it is if we're out for today, and then we come back, and then we get a call.
10:25:27 You know I'm sorry you'll have to wait. We have to wait for the truck to charge.
10:25:32 If we were to be on call, and we were to have one of these vehicles at home.
10:25:36 How would we charge it? You know, Brian or I? We anticipate sharing an on call schedule.
10:25:42 You know, as well as having a charger at the office.
10:25:48 A few other things we looked into is, you know, one of the primary uses of this vehicle is going to be a disaster, response, vehicle. What we can do, you know, after, if there
is an event.
10:25:57 Chances are that the infrastructure is probably gonna be gonna go down. Electricity. So how would we charge it when we have a generator? You know what would be the options for
that? We can go a little bit further, you know, with one of the Wix cars that we have.
10:26:10 Or you know, again, we have multiple places to fuel inside of the county.
10:26:14 As long as those are still up and running, but wouldn't have as much access to charging ports. So those were the concerns that we had going into it.
10:26:22 I will say the Dcd. I'm a part of the conversation with Fleet for the rest of the enables the DC. We are investigating electric vehicles for other uses, but don't think that
it was a great fit for this particular vehicle, and the way that we intend to use it.
10:26:40 The one time cost per vehicle with upgrade.
10:26:43 With outfitting, you know, which was a decal lights, those sort of things. The the canopy that I talked about before.
10:26:49 Was it? 67 $1,943? That's the this. The vehicle on the just basic truck on state bid comes in about $49,000, and the rest of it was outfitting.
10:27:01 Some radio equipment, that sort of thing.
10:27:04 That would go into it the ongoing cost.
10:27:08 Is, we need to break this down so a little bit.
10:27:10 So the ongoing cost for that was actually what we estimated. If we were to rent the entire goal through services would be about 10,000 a year. And again that would be if we
were to.
10:27:24 To rent it so that wouldn't be. There would be the one time cost, you know, if we get an appropriation for the vehicle expense. Obviously the ongoing cost would be much, much
less than that. So I was trying to indicate a little bit of a there's 2 paths that we can go there, you know, if we didn't do an upfront cost, and maybe there were an option to do some
sort of subsidy for the annual rental fee.
10:27:45 It would go down about $4,000 or so.
10:27:49 Per year would be the fee for.
10:27:53 Annual maintenance, fuel, and a.
10:27:58 Replacement program that we have through Fleet. So about $500 would be the actual vehicle.
10:28:03 Rental, fee.
10:28:05 I'm not yesterday.
10:28:06 A month. Yes, I'm sorry. Oh, a month! I'm I'm sorry. It was about 5, 4,000 total correct. It'd be about $4,000 a year for the fuel and the maintenance. You know. The remainder
of that 10,000, roughly $6,000 would be.
10:28:21 The actual vehicle.
10:28:23 Expense.
10:28:25 And is that estimated for 10 years, or this is based upon a 10 year cycle about 120,000 miles. We estimate about 12,000 miles a year. Which is what we based off of the.
10:28:38 Public works, vehicles.
10:28:39 That's what we use as a as a comparison.
10:28:41 Through fleet services.
10:28:44 With Josh's breakdown.
10:28:48 It looked like there was a concern about a life expectancy of an electric vehicle.
10:28:53 There could be that there was a little bit of concern about that. When we had looked at an electric vehicle, Josh suggested that we use less than a 10 year life cycle.
10:29:03 Again.
10:29:04 Don't know what that would be exactly, you know, for the way that we would use it.
10:29:09 But he was putting it more in like the 6 7 year range.
10:29:13 Which would bring the overall cost per year up a little bit on maintenance would be a little bit less, quite a bit less one of the things is to when we did select a vehicle
we were looking at optional equipment on, even though we're gonna use for an engine and everything we did. Look at the the base model uses a
10:29:33 I believe it's a 5 liter. And we were looking at the 3.7 Liter. V. 6.
10:29:39 So it was a more economical option.
10:29:42 Smaller engine, little bit
10:29:45 Better life expectancy a little bit better
10:29:48 Repair cost on those and these are all fleet vehicles. That fleet is.
10:29:54 Familiar with, and that they have access to everything. And these are the same as other vehicles that we have for these. So it's nothing. That's a 1 off that would require special.
The things are
10:30:06 The same as you know the other vehicles we have.
10:30:10 So I have to say that when I read through agenda yesterday I was like.
10:30:13 I feel like I'm getting nickel and dimed to death on this.
10:30:17 Electric vehicle mandate that we set for ourselves, of moving fleet to electric.
10:30:21 And I get the range issue and I get emergency response and the need for this. But.
10:30:26 I'm starting to get frustrated with every vehicle coming along being a gas vehicle. For some reason.
10:30:33 You know, and it's time for us to start finding reasons to move to electric.
10:30:37 As as a county family, because we said.
10:30:40 Before I was even a commissioner. So it was.
10:30:44 I'm Greg and Kate, and we we do have a workshop coming up with public works. I know I've heard that, too, but I just, I just feel like I'm getting nickel. And on this issue,
and I feel like.
10:30:55 As you know, the days get hotter, and I thought, oh, wouldn't it be great if our fire marshal was electric? That would really be a statement, but I get it. That range is a concern.
10:31:07 And
10:31:08 I just, I'm I'm I'm starting. I haven't gotten frustrated much as a Commissioner, but I'm starting to feel frustrated on this one.
10:31:16 Cause it keeps.
10:31:16 I just feel like it's just one track, or it's just one car. And I'm just like.
10:31:22 So anyway, just wanna share my frustration and hope that we just in the spirit of I hope we could really.
10:31:30 Commit.
10:31:31 As a community.
10:31:32 To moving, to electrification.
10:31:35 i i i think it's it's.
10:31:38 It's a game changer, and it's something we have to do. It's not something.
10:31:42 It's not a nice to have anymore. It's a need to have.
10:31:46 I'll echo that a little bit and amplify it. You know.
10:31:49 I'm unlikely to go out of the normal budget cycle and approve this truck.
10:31:53 But if it was electric it would be very different.
10:31:56 So we're getting into the backdraft now. Love the backdraft kit. Obviously stuff that you need. Probably not what you call it, but
10:32:03 Yeah, I'm I'm in the in the same boat.
10:32:06 You know, every time there's an excuse not to use it, and I understand it's challenging.
10:32:10 I have an electric car that goes 70 miles and I use it. I live.
10:32:14 30 miles from anything, and it's still fine. It takes a little bit of thought to plan it, but
10:32:19 You know, outside of the normal cycle coming in for another gasoline engine, and I'm inclined to say no.
10:32:26 I was inclined to give him our bolt.
10:32:29 Cause it just sits out there.
10:32:31 I just had a quick comment. I know I don't want to.
10:32:34 This issue is certainly way beyond. Dcd, yeah. And I don't want to say there's a workshop coming up. I just want to say quickly that.
10:32:42 When the last time we spoke with Fleet about our own set of vehicles, we did say, Hey, we've got a vehicle that's nearing the end of its life, if not there already.
10:32:51 And we we picked out an electric vehicle. But remember, we don't have a charging station there at Castle Hill yet in the back, so.
10:32:58 We're not. We're not at a place, at least from our perspective, just as users of the vehicles.
10:33:04 We're not ready to actually just convert our fleet because we don't have those stations. I understand there's a grant.
10:33:08 That's in the works that was gonna be for a lot of charging stations, and maybe that went down to to.
10:33:14 A number that could actually be accommodated in that back parking lot. And, by the way, there's activity going on in that back parking lot right now, replacing with a whole
new store system the health is doing. And all this other thing, all these other things going on, I guess what I'm saying is like.
10:33:28 We're poised to be able to at least take one fleet and then small Vcd group of vehicles. But we're not.
10:33:34 Actually ready cause there isn't actually a charger there to charge for to go out and do business. I mean, there's a level 3 charger that's never occupied down by the you know
the chamber, and there's there's chargers all over the place. And it's 1,000 bucks to get, you know, if you've got a fenced backyard that you could put it in.
10:33:51 Yeah, put a charger in. It's a thousand bucks. It's like, you know, it doesn't even have to be one of these charge point ones that prevents anyone from using it in a locked
area. It's really a thousand dollars and and an existing, you know, 50 amp circuit. You know, it's it's a i want at my house. Yeah, no, I mean, I've installed one before, you know.
10:34:11 But so I don't know.
10:34:13 Go ahead!
10:34:12 Can I? Can I chime in? And I, you know, agree that this is. It's a much bigger discussion than one vehicle at a time. The problem is this is we. We've only had the conversation
one vehicle at a time. But I just I I'm I'm worried about being a source of misinformation. And I you know we haven't heard from Josh on this yet. But the
10:34:34 Is that right? So, Josh, the the new fleet manager.
10:34:37 Josh. Montgomery, yeah.
10:34:38 Yeah, josh, but you know I'm I'm just super curious. This shorter life cycle or lifespan of a electric vehicle, which is exactly the opposite of everything I have heard. So
I just don't don't don't wanna
10:34:54 Not point that out, that I think that that is again.
10:34:58 Curious to hear his rationale. But there's a lot of misinformation about electric vehicles, and I'm I don't want that to be fueling our decision, making.
10:35:08 Not what we're talking about today. Tell us about. The mobile module, all right.
10:35:12 So moving to technology. So there's a Tyler product out there. It's called the Tire. The Tire prevention.
10:35:21 Module.
10:35:21 So this is a an add on that we get through Tyler.
10:35:26 Is compatible with our current system. It's not the current epo system. Again.
10:35:33 Is not formatted needs right now, you know, we basically set up as a kind of a billing inspection module. And it's a little bit of a square petting around pool.
10:35:43 Module this new module that I'm proposing the fire potential module allows for special reports to be emailed a time of inspection which we have that functionality through the
current. Very nice. To be able to just email somebody right then and there when you're doing their inspection, they've had really good luck.
10:36:01 A really good response from the public. With that and increased functionality over the billing as much.
10:36:07 It allows for code search into reports. This is huge that I wish that we have on the billing side.
10:36:13 We basically have a Co library, and you can just pick and choose from that.
10:36:17 And attach it to the
10:36:20 To the inspection report, you know, as you go really cool. We do have.
10:36:26 Functional, where we take pictures of things currently with our building inspection module.
10:36:29 But we don't have that code library which would be great.
10:36:34 This also has integration with Jeff and the CAD software. So the cancel is the computing computer. Aided dispatch.
10:36:41 This is one of the things that.
10:36:42 As we go along, we can actually download a blueprints and things like that. So they're available among all of our
10:36:48 1st responders.
10:36:50 So that would be super critical. We have some of that capability now, but this would really streamline it.
10:36:56 So what it also allows for a reporting.
10:37:01 Website, if you will. So where? For $3, the the property, the business owners, if they have 3rd party inspections, or if they have new
10:37:14 Sprinkler confidence, testing anything like that they can. They can submit for $3 50 cents. The current program that we have is a company called Tis. It's about $15. So a lot
of times that's just the pass along Fee. But again, $3 and census.
10:37:28 Quite considerably less than than the current technology that we have.
10:37:33 This module would collect a 5% technology fee for to pay for the maintenance. So that should be pretty much budget neutral.
10:37:42 Just along with all of the other Apl stuff.
10:37:46 All of the permits, I should say, would collect a 5% technology fee.
10:37:49 It is a cloud based retention system. So we currently don't have anything cloud based, to my knowledge and talk with it through Tyler. So this would kind of be a nice guinea
pig to try out their cloud based system. And how exactly works it wouldn't require any spice on an onsite server.
10:38:06 The fee for the for the technology is us.
10:38:11 About $6,700, either for the one time cost to purchase it, and then it has the annual payments of about 4,000.
10:38:17 And how much do you think that technology fee? Do you have an estimate of how much that would raise that 5 over.
10:38:24 So depending on. So if we just took our and.
10:38:27 This is. There's I do have some projections on that. It depends on exactly what kind of
10:38:34 Response we get to when we do our short term. I also start setting those up again. We have what is it? 4 to 500 of them that are currently right there alone. You know, 5% for
each one of those.
10:38:45 We do have close to 500 businesses that we've identified in the county right now we're I don't really trust that number. We're kind of cherry picking through them because a
lot of them go.
10:38:54 Through a.
10:38:55 Z
10:38:56 Zip code based system. So we're trying to back the ones in the city out that are. That would be our responsibility.
10:39:03 But we would be looking at 5% on.
10:39:06 Potentially up to a thousand. So.
10:39:10 Perhaps.
10:39:12 To be budget neutral. That would mean.
10:39:14 $100,000 worth of permits, right.
10:39:21 I'm curious, Phil. Did. Have we reached any decision with the topic we discussed at the Icg. About inspections, commercial inspections.
10:39:32 With the city.
10:39:33 Within within the county or within the city.
10:39:35 City.
10:39:36 Within the city.
10:39:38 The least. Jefferson Fire and the city have signed a local agreement.
10:39:44 We are not a part of it in this time, but the city is investigating.
10:39:49 I've had some talks with them of Olen as to whether
10:39:51 We would still be.
10:39:54 Desired or wanted to be like an on-call basis kind of a thing. So they're still.
10:39:58 They're still sorting it out.
10:39:59 I guess, is is the best way that I can say. They do have a plan in place to use existing staff.
10:40:05 But if they run into capacity issues, and they want to leave the door open for us to be a part of that.
10:40:11 Inspection program as well.
10:40:13 I know we had discussed kind of the the
10:40:19 Cost of inspections. Do you know, if we're East Jefferson has landed on that? Are they? Are they planning to do them free of charge.
10:40:29 They are going to have to recuperate some of their fees, so how the.
10:40:34 City chooses to do it.
10:40:37 It's still unclear to me.
10:40:47 So another product that we're looking at is the Tyler's crew force. This is something that is being used across the county with other
10:40:57 Of our fire service and law enforcement partners.
10:41:00 The support, the the department goal. Then I'll ship burn to other departments like law enforcement.
10:41:07 This angel communication, notification, incident, dispatch, and information sharing.
10:41:12 What we have here is a fee of $900 that would cover 2 licenses, and I'll support 2 phones and 2 tablets. And this gives us real time data for fire and safety issues occurring
across the county. So this is, this is a screenshot of exactly what proof looks like this is actually an incident that happened last week on Center Road.
10:41:30 And so it's kind of hard to see there. But it gives you a case by a step by step, you know. Incident started. Who's responding? Who's on? Scene.
10:41:40 When they interseine, when they clear scene.
10:41:42 At this point, you know, it's just Brian and I's pretty small group. So we just text each other different things. You know, if we're not on the same place. Just so. We keep
tabs on each other for safety purposes, you know. Entering, seeing clear scene, you know, I got a text from Brian last night, and.
10:41:57 About 10 o'clock that he had just gotten back in from an incident on the Coordinator.
10:42:03 No, that fire down there, and he's he's back out there again.
10:42:08 But there's a this would just be really nice, because it not only us in, but this would be all of our partners, you know when we're on scene. It gives us kind of a location,
and I was like, Hey, you know.
10:42:19 Brian or Phil never left the scene like what's going on, you know, before.
10:42:23 Whoever leaves is last to leave the scene. They kind of do do clean up and make sure that you know.
10:42:28 That everybody there.
10:42:30 Accidentally didn't log out, which is usually the case. Hopefully. You know where there's actually an issue that we have somebody in need of.
10:42:37 You know some help? Can I ask one question? Does this mean that that.
10:42:41 That the fire marshal's office would be like a user agency. And Jeff Com, so that's 1 of the things that we're discussing right now is that.
10:42:51 In one of the slides. I believe there's another slide in here that we were talking about communications, equipment, and things, and so we would be able to receive. We are still
investigating on how exactly we can fit into Jeff Com and be a user of Jeff Com.
10:43:04 You know.
10:43:05 We've had conversations with. You know both.
10:43:09 With fire districts, with Matt Stewart, the director of as well as.
10:43:16 Any person are trying to figure out exactly.
10:43:18 How we fit into the overall system of Jeff. Call, whether we can have, an ability to broadcast, be able to receive.
10:43:28 But maybe honestly broadcast on the on the.
10:43:32 The issue at this point is that.
10:43:33 There's really no way for.
10:43:36 Jeff com to text us, or to call us.
10:43:41 There is at a later show that there's a pager option. You know that we're they can hit a button. They can send out a tone. It'll tell the fire marshal, as well as you know.
I've talked to other jurisdictions. And how they do it, and it's kind of all over the place.
10:43:56 But a lot of them do have some sort of a paging, and on call pager system.
10:44:03 Some of my radio access. Some of them do not.
10:44:07 As small as we are. It is.
10:44:10 Excuse me, kind of remote as everything is, it would be really nice that radio access. We're gonna try to pursue that option.
10:44:16 But that could be a little bit of an uphill battle.
10:44:20 Gotcha, or undetermined, I shouldn't say, I should say undetermined.
10:44:25 So if we took all those technology expenses and put them in about $7,600,
10:44:30 For both the crew force and the the.
10:44:34 Fire, prevention.
10:44:37 Can I ask a question.
10:44:39 Totally.
10:44:41 So just since you've pulled up the coil incident there, which I was following a little bit yesterday. So what is the the role of the fire marshal in a incident like that, where
you obviously have.
10:44:56 A.
10:44:52 East Jefferson involved. Dnr. Was involved. You know, number of agencies. What is the fire Marshals role there.
10:45:01 So that will as fire district that was cool, saying, we actually the.
10:45:05 Got contacted by them.
10:45:07 To request that the fire marshal come out and have a.
10:45:10 And do an investigation. Brian went out there and took a look and did kind of preliminary, and then is going back out again today with Dnr. With the Dnr investigator. So we
are.
10:45:24 Brian previously had a.
10:45:27 An interlocal Dr. We're pursuing that right now, but unfortunately, as busy as they are with everything that's going on across the State is not super responsive but we're in
contact with all the right people right now to continue that
10:45:40 That partnership with Dnr. In order to be able to be on scene on things that are within Jefferson County.
10:45:47 In the Fire district does not do those investigations typically.
10:45:52 So by the fire, vest.
10:45:54 The the fire.
10:45:56 District can be involved in those investigations as well. But if you look at our chapter 2 in Jefferson County Code, everything defaults to the fire marshal. And so we're currently
working through those inter local agreements. Also with the fire districts.
10:46:09 There's been a very confusing system of interlocal agreements in the past. So the desire, the the way that I understand the fire marshal kind of the Clearing house. For all
that. I still allow districts to.
10:46:22 Be able to do those type of activities within them.
10:46:26 But the fire marshal would be the holder of all that when it comes time to go through the Wsr. State Survey and Ratings Bureau
10:46:34 Rating system for the different districts. We would be the keeper of all the investigations and the the inspections.
10:46:41 We have authority having jurisdiction for all that stuff.
10:46:44 You're Robert de Niro and craft you? Yeah.
10:46:47 It's so interesting, though, cause we we didn't, you know, we had a fairly inactive program previously. So I'm I'm surprised to hear that it's that.
10:46:55 In our code. That's actually where the.
10:46:58 Responsibility lies for that because we didn't have that function until very recently.
10:47:02 Right. A lot of that change in that 2022 ordnance which pretty.
10:47:09 Pretty basically spells out everything that the farmers are. And it's it's all just about everything. I don't know what the original desire for that was I wasn't a part of that
process when it happened.
10:47:20 But if that was gonna be handled through a series of local agreements with the local districts, or
10:47:26 I don't know what the the original intent of that was, but.
10:47:29 What what we have right now. With chapter basis. Now that we have established fire, Marshal, a lot of the districts are pushing back, and you know I shouldn't say pushing back,
that's not not the right term.
10:47:41 Now that there's an established fire like great, we have somebody that's responsible for doing those type of activities.
10:47:47 And my goal.
10:47:50 With the, you know, if we take a kind of 50,000 view of this would be to get those inner locals going, and I've got a lot of really good examples from.
10:47:58 Local jurisdictions.
10:48:01 That have implemented similar process to where the fire marshal is basically the clearing house for everything, but for low level inspections, for you know certain things that
the fire districts could do, those with certain minimum training requirements.
10:48:14 So. And that's what a lot of it comes back to. Also with the the survey and ratings is.
10:48:20 Do we have.
10:48:21 People that have the credential to do what they're doing. All these type of investigations.
10:48:26 Well, and it's.
10:48:26 So I need to reestablish all of that with the local districts.
10:48:32 Yeah, and I mean just to.
10:48:34 To.
10:48:34 You know.
10:48:36 As a reminder that.
10:48:38 People pay a lot of money to fire districts and their property taxes, and but it seems like a lot of this work is getting shifted to the county that does not have dedicated
funding for this work.
10:48:53 Of.
10:48:54 Again like I said I I don't know exactly what the intent was, and we had that ordinance where all this changed.
10:49:02 To establish the fire, Marshal back in 2022, but.
10:49:07 And.
10:49:08 Points a lot of responsibility to the fire themselves. You know traditionally, the fire marshal.
10:49:14 Was
10:49:16 Established in a local agreement with a local district.
10:49:19 But that is no longer the case.
10:49:22 One quick note on that. I also wasn't here.
10:49:25 I did rejoin the county. 22, but it was the summertime, I believe, that, or this was done, and.
10:49:30 Or late winter, early spring.
10:49:32 Either way. My understanding, though, in discussions, preliminary discussions about new interlocal agreements with the fire districts and our office.
10:49:42 Is that the fire districts point out that their statutory is for responding to fires and suppressing fires and also emergency response services and so forth.
10:49:54 And.
10:49:55 It's the office of the farmers will statutory responsibility for things like investigations.
10:50:00 Inspections, and education is something we share.
10:50:04 And so the the way things were done before.
10:50:07 Don't know. I think we did things our own way. County does things a different way.
10:50:11 I have a feeling that, as Bill just mentioned, that the duties of the office of the bar essentially.
10:50:16 Handed from the county back to the district, willing to assume those for those taxes that they were.
10:50:22 Assessing, as as Commissioner Dean points out.
10:50:24 There's certainly the.
10:50:26 Message from the largest of our districts now rescue.
10:50:30 Is, that.
10:50:33 Refocusing on those statutory responsibilities.
10:50:35 And happy to work with us on these other responsibilities. But we do have.
10:50:40 The trained personnel with a fire marshal. Now the deputy fire marshal, of course, as you know, was working for.
10:50:46 He serves the virus one rescue, and has all those contemptions.
10:50:51 Thank you.
10:50:52 Well, and maybe it's you know I'm.
10:50:55 Realizing that we probably should have been talking about the associated cost of setting up.
10:51:02 This new.
10:51:05 Office, or division, or.
10:51:08 Whatever you called it. Sorry. My brain is a little foggy, with a bad head. Cold.
10:51:13 You know, in in while we were.
10:51:16 Creating these additional authorities.
10:51:20 By ordinance, so.
10:51:21 I'm I'm just feeling a little surprised that we we weren't planning for all of these expenses. And doing them as a 1 off instead of saying, Oh, wow! This is really like whole
big new effort that we need to be considering long term funding for
10:51:36 Seems like a a little bit of a a missed opportunity.
10:51:40 You know, we did have a discussion about revenue generated by the new office once it's up and running fully, and all the inspection regimes are in place, and the inspections
are actually occurring, and the fees are being collected.
10:51:52 And I, I think at the time we talked about this
10:51:56 You know our county matures.
10:51:58 You know, this is a function of a more mature county.
10:52:04 Infusing some professionalism in into the program. And we just had a meeting. Was it last week with East Jefferson fire to clarified relationships and.
10:52:14 Now we're gonna have a follow one meeting with all the other fire districts to clarify responsibilities and.
10:52:21 You know, Brett Black did say that they want to focus on their core statutory responsibilities. And you know, they really appreciate what we're doing.
10:52:30 By establishing this office.
10:52:32 And so.
10:52:34 You know I did mention at the beginning that we have a timing issue with with funding.
10:52:40 And.
10:52:42 In order to get the program up and running. These things are essential.
10:52:46 I'm I'm glad those conversations are happening, and.
10:52:51 Course not. Not. I'm not privy to all of them, but
10:52:54 You know. I think, too, we did discuss then that just the concern about pushing all of the.
10:52:59 Cost of this onto.
10:53:02 Residents and business owners, who again pay a fair amount of their, you know. Good chunk of of
10:53:08 Property taxes go to.
10:53:11 Emergency services and not fire districts specifically, but
10:53:14 You know, I I just wanna be sure that.
10:53:18 Discussing the kind of fairness and equity, and this came up in the discussion of the specifically inspections within the city. If Easton is going to do those without a fee,
and we in the county.
10:53:28 Are going to be expecting.
10:53:30 Our residents and businesses to pay a fee when there are they are paying. Many of them are paying into East Jefferson.
10:53:37 At the same rate that the folks in the city are so, you know, just like hope, that we continue to refine this and make sure that.
10:53:45 The
10:53:46 The.
10:53:49 Fees, and all of the revenues generated are being used most fairly.
10:53:56 Thank you for bringing that up.
10:53:59 As, as Phil mentioned, there is an interlocal agreement now between East Jefferson.
10:54:04 Fire, rescue, and Cityport town.
10:54:07 And so we don't. I don't want to speak on behalf of either of those entities. I was, though, with Bill, part of early discussions about a possible 3 way agreement. There still
is an opportunity for us to reach agreement with with those parties.
10:54:20 Really contingency services, backup plans.
10:54:23 My understanding, though in just listening to those conversations, was that.
10:54:28 Theirs is really a transitional model. Right now, Commissioner Dean.
10:54:32 So, for example, East Jefferson might be providing more services than they.
10:54:37 Than they normally would. No, not talking about what they've done in the past. It's all about moving forward. They were saying they were basically telling the city.
10:54:44 We can't do what we did in the past. We had to come up with another plan.
10:54:48 And we need cost recuperation. And the city was saying, that's a big transition for us. We want to gear up chance to gear up our own staff to be trained to do life safety inspections,
and combine it with other inspections.
10:54:59 And so I think they're working really on a transition plan to cover what needs to be covered.
10:55:03 This district would be more likely involved.
10:55:06 More complex cases like the hospital and the port at the boat haven, whereas the city would then put more quickly, ramp up, ramp up training for their own staff.
10:55:15 To handle some of the smaller businesses.
10:55:17 Also. Another context, though, is that there is a business license in the city of Port Townsend. So businesses in the city.
10:55:23 And by State constitution, state law. What have you.
10:55:25 Are able to charge a business.
10:55:27 And I believe that some of the talk was that.
10:55:30 If their fee setting would be based on the fact.
10:55:34 Take into consideration the fact that they're paying an annual business license.
10:55:38 County does not have a business license.
10:55:39 So we're more on it. Just 100% fee recovery cost us much to do. These inspections, which we should be doing both by law and by.
10:55:49 Ethics.
10:55:50 And so we're doing that. And that's that's what we'd be recuperating in our fire life safety program, just like, say, the Health Department does with theirs similar.
10:55:59 Similar Public Benefit Goals.
10:56:02 A different, slightly different situation again, because.
10:56:05 They sit the the businesses by understanding, and we don't have the business license through the city.
10:56:11 Right, and I might add that the.
10:56:13 In in order for.
10:56:14 They decide to
10:56:16 Take the place of holy cab, running the shelter at the Legion.
10:56:21 The county had to pay $99 for a fire life, safety inspection. So they they are charging a fee for that service, maybe not to the businesses, but.
10:56:30 But certainly the county had to pay it.
10:56:38 Onward!
10:56:40 I mean I I would just add, I'm grateful that we're buttoning this up and getting organized in this way. I mean.
10:56:47 Just based on all the risks that we're seeing in our society these days with climate change and.
10:56:54 Hang on, I can't tell you. I wake up in the middle of the night when those sirens go by.
10:56:58 I live right next door road, and that's a that's a freeway in my part of the county. So.
10:57:04 I'm super grateful for the work you're doing, Phil, and that you're mobilizing in a very organized way.
10:57:11 Thank you for bringing that up, Commissioner Eisenhower. It reminds me another point I wanted to make, which is that.
10:57:16 Luckily in the past.
10:57:18 We've had very few.
10:57:21 Fires are required. Investigation. Yes, we've had some, but fairly infrequent. And so that hasn't been a cost that we could even predict or budget a specific amount that we
knew pretty much knew we were going to spend that year.
10:57:34 Remarkably since Phil's has ramped up his office since Deputy Tracer has come on board.
10:57:41 We've we've had a fair number of instances, unfortunately, and we think that that might be the way the future. But I guess I wanted to make the point that.
10:57:49 In terms of the budget of the office. There are costs, and that's what we're here to talk about today. Absolutely ramp up costs. And, as, as county administrator pointed out,
we have a plan for recuperating.
10:57:59 The cost for investigation.
10:58:02 Is the sorry inspection, fire, safety, inspection.
10:58:06 It's the investigation piece that's a wild card, and really, frankly, always has been and always will be, in the sense that we don't know how many fires we have to respond to.
We don't know what our role will be in there. There may be a criminal element to some some of what's happening lately, and that brings a whole new expense. And and the sheriff's office,
obviously. And then prosecuting attorneys would be involved in those kinds of instance instances. Anyways, it's hard to recuperate costs for those once in a while.
10:58:29 You can find.
10:58:30 And you can, you could basically.
10:58:32 Ascribe the responsibility to a party, and that party is responsible for paying those costs through court process. That's what Dnr. Does when they.
10:58:38 Try to see what started the Wildfire. It happened to be because of a train track.
10:58:43 Power, cable, or something then, or.
10:58:46 A person said it could actually be traced to that person.
10:58:48 Then you could possibly those. But you have to be prepared to do the investigation anyway, without.
10:58:56 The promise of being.
10:58:58 Compensated.
10:59:01 Okay, to move on. Yeah, onward. We might be. Yeah. Alright.
10:59:06 So equipment and gear. So we have here. So this is
10:59:11 A lot of the minimum equipment. Had tools that we have been acquired.
10:59:14 That's 1 of the things we have in a couple of posts that we've been playing.
10:59:17 You know.
10:59:19 Pop squash with the different vehicles that we have available to us. You know, we have to move that equipment around each time. You know, some basic.
10:59:26 Shovels and rigs, and some evidence collection, some of that sorts of p, some minimal Pb gloves, and a tieback suits, that kind of thing.
10:59:37 This
10:59:39 Securing this would secure would support our mission and duties with our county code a wildfire pack, a wind and a monitor and a hand held GPS.
10:59:49 Are some of the things on the list pagers which I briefly touched on earlier to dispatch. Picture one up there, the upper left hand corner.
10:59:59 Portable radio charger, for out of vehicle communication.
11:00:03 This latest hand tools, and however you've acquired
11:00:07 Just a few little odds and ends type things. We have been able to get some things to a normal budgeting stuff.
11:00:13 On total for this portion of the equipment.
11:00:16 $4,806.
11:00:20 Next slide.
11:00:22 So this is the this is kind of the gold standard here. So if if we were to do this so originally, what I had wanted to do
11:00:29 Company. It's kind of a tiered system, if you will so.
11:00:33 Personal, protective equipment. This would be the gold standard would be this,
11:00:36 Powered error, purify, respirator, the.
11:00:40 These are great option that have a rechargeable battery in and with an integrated hard.
11:00:48 So it's a really nice unit to set up right now we're using. We have the ability to use half masks, which is kind of a temporary solution.
11:00:55 So again. This is one of the things that I didn't want to include in everything. Be something that we would try to go forward once we get funding or something like that. But
if we can include her this round, it'd be great. There about 70 17.
11:01:10 $100, $700 each.
11:01:13 If we were to include this with the last screen all the equipment and the Pv 186. What's the life cycle of these.
11:01:21 So these we have had at least.
11:01:25 5 or 6 years, maybe depending on whose next usually is the batteries are aware of battery, and you can get replacement batteries but 5 or 6 years.
11:01:47 These are more likely to be able to be obtained through grants as well. Is that what you were saying? Well, that would just be the next time that that I'm estimating that I'll
have an opportunity for funding. That's probably when we get into eligibility for some different brand.
11:02:01 We have a temporary solution. We definitely get these. But this isn't a.
11:02:08 An immediate movement is definitely something that's on the list that we would like to see happen.
11:02:12 Yeah. And originally as Phil said, this was not.
11:02:17 Part of today's ask. But as a risk manager, I added.
11:02:21 And Ellen, I claim for inhaling.
11:02:25 Substances during investigations and whatnot, you think would be a risk we'd like to avoid.
11:02:31 How many are you proposing? We buy.
11:02:34 Group.
11:02:42 My screen.
11:02:43 So this is something that really doesn't.
11:02:45 Is loosely has something to do with. Not necessarily, Dave, but definitely the department of where we want to go in the future. So Tyler also offers a business module.
11:02:54 So again, this is an introduction future. This is not part of today's bid. I just want to start the conversation and let the board know this something that we're looking into.
11:03:03 This will
11:03:06 Help several different departments, not just. Vc.
11:03:10 And what this will allow us to do is to set up.
11:03:12 Each one of those businesses, or each one of those a short term as a business, and have reoccurring inspections where it'll automatically generate renewal notices that sort
of a thing.
11:03:23 We'll also be able to. Well, let's just go down the list here captures information about a business for the jurisdiction allows management and processing for renewal and business
license, and we wouldn't have. We wouldn't be assuring a business license just to be clear. But we would set these up in much the same way. So we would have an annual requirement.
11:03:43 I will link business licenses, tax accounts and inspections to business. It would be linked to permits plans and code cases, so everything will all talk to each other inside
of.
11:03:52 Internet, it'd be really cool.
11:03:55 To see all that integration. One day.
11:03:58 Business license for short term rules possibly expanded food establishments.
11:04:03 There's a professional license management component for for like subject professionals.
11:04:09 There's also an exam administration or septic professionals, you know, as they come up on their annuals. You know, a lot of the stuff is is based on environmental health. But.
11:04:17 There's also operational management, which is what we would be doing. We would call it an operational permit these annual inspections that we do you know you're good for a year?
You have a an operational permit to operate.
11:04:29 For you know, get valid for a year.
11:04:32 And so you would have that renewal that would happen on an annual basis.
11:04:35 Next businesses and contacts of businesses, Co cases, everything. So everything again, would all be in one place. It'd be just a nice place for it.
11:04:44 Future integration with the Css. Portal, which we just launched.
11:04:47 Now, this is why it's not in today's because the investment cost is about $47,000. It's about 21,000 license, about 22,000 for implementation, and then about $4,200 for maintenance.
11:05:00 And this is something that I've been working with Scott a lot about.
11:05:03 One of the things that we would like to see happen.
11:05:07 But again, I know this is a day ask, but just something that I wanted to.
11:05:11 Kind of put that. Put that on the table. Just let you know that it is something that we're working towards, that we do want to include in the future. This is definitely bigger.
This is just an introduction. This is for future consideration. I don't want to confuse any of the the stuff that we're on today. But just wanted, you know, that is something that is
definitely the forefront of our mind, something that we're working toward and zoom.
11:05:33 And definitely want to see happen in the future. And so would this be like used with.
11:05:38 Business license like if we started to charge for business licenses throughout the county. But we do have,
11:05:45 Like, I said, the operational permits, and we also have, like the annual foods, right? And you know, temporary food. Things like that that happen on an annual basis. Also, you
know, the septic inspections happen on an annual or every other year, every 3rd year, or whatever. This would be a really great way to track that. We don't really have a way to do that.
Currently.
11:06:06 And.
11:06:08 So I I'd hear, you know, Lobby for my use of it. But it would help a lot of other, you know.
11:06:14 Environmental health and possibly other
11:06:18 Possibly public works. There could be, you know, in the future, if we're.
11:06:22 But I don't. I don't want to speak for them. But you know, if there was pump maintenance or anything like that, you know, that was gonna happen in the future. That sort of stuff.
11:06:31 There's options to go with that.
11:06:32 Seems like this would be a larger workshop, and this also seems this also seems critical to me. I mean.
11:06:39 In terms of all the regular inspections that happen, and everything to track and.
11:06:44 Definitely. And that's why I say that I just attended this today as a label of just an introduction for future consideration. It's not part of what I'm asking for for today.
But just something that I want to start that conversation. And if if the board approves moving ahead with the ask for today. Then it's gonna take the Brian and Phil quite a while to
digest and implement all of these other things. So I would say, This is.
11:07:07 Well out into the future.
11:07:09 But as we were, you know, talking with Tyler, with all these other things that we were looking at for the crew force and everything. This came up. You know, definitely something
that
11:07:19 Scott Carpenter, so that if you can, if you want to throw it in there, you know this is this is a great thing to start the conversation. It's a nice segue to get into. So is
this 47,000. Would this cover all the departments? Yes.
11:07:30 So it's it's it'd be a larger budget. Conversation.
11:07:36 Okay.
11:07:40 So today's ask for the total one time vehicle software equipment and TV.
11:07:45 Be the the $83,000 again ongoing for vehicle rent.
11:07:50 That is, that if we did not get a 1 time appropriation to buy a vehicle and upfit it, and everything else.
11:07:56 Annual rent would be about 10,200.
11:08:00 And so, if we rented a vehicle.
11:08:04 Where do we rent vehicles? Okay, that's what we services, does it? We would buy a gas powered track, and then we would rent that from them.
11:08:13 And and if we were to purchase one outright with appropriation, and then just have the additional again, the maintenance, the fuel that goes with it. It was about $4,500 a year.
About $6,000 of that is.
11:08:27 Is the actual vehicle cost the rest of this.
11:08:32 All right.
11:08:34 Next slide is just.
11:08:36 Next slide was questions, Stacy, I have the shot in the courthouse. Oh, it's a beautiful, the Northern Lights. Yeah, it's lovely. It's good to give credit.
11:08:47 Okay questions before we get into deliberation. And then we will have public comment before we take any action. As the agenda indicated.
11:08:55 Kate anything to.
11:08:58 Nope, Heidi.
11:09:00 I mean. I said my.
11:09:02 Nickel, and diming so.
11:09:03 Soap box.
11:09:05 Yeah, I mean, I'm.
11:09:07 Yeah.
11:09:07 I want to support the program.
11:09:10 I'm still, I guess I would probably suggest they continue to.
11:09:15 Use Dcd cars.
11:09:16 For the time being, and buy all the rest of the materials. That's what I would.
11:09:20 Support
11:09:23 Well, are we gonna move right into deliberation.
11:09:28 Okay.
11:09:26 Yeah, we had no questions. Let's get into deliberation.
11:09:28 What do you think?
11:09:31 Yeah, I'm just, you know, like I said, I'm I think I'm I'm feeling a little bit of sticker shock, and which I probably should have anticipated when we created this office. And
didn't. So my bad and also wanna support the important work that's being done. But I since I'm working from home, I was just able to pull out my property tax statements and see that
20% of my property tax goes to via district and.
11:09:55 You know it's I. It's is a lot of it sounds duplicative. And you know, to to certainly equipment that the fire districts own, and but I I understand the different authorities,
and certainly understand the need for redundancies in.
11:10:12 In in this work, as we experienced last week, just with an Internet outage. How lack of redundancies.
11:10:19 Compounds problems.
11:10:22 I I'm.
11:10:23 I'm having a little bit of sticker shock, and but also know that, you know, we might just have to eat it, and probably should have thought through a little more of the kind
of ongoing.
11:10:33 Costs associated with this office couple.
11:10:38 And you know I I don't feel great about the.
11:10:42 Using more and more fees to recoup some of this, because it's again, you know, I just feel like we we already pay a lot into a system that.
11:10:52 Provide some of these services. And so you know.
11:10:56 If, indeed, the general fund is where we're gonna.
11:11:00 Be funding this from. That's fine. It just gives me a little bit of heartburn.
11:11:04 Now, during the meeting with with Chief Black, you talked about the the 2 new trucks, he ordered.
11:11:11 A 1 million apiece.
11:11:14 And I think the wait time is 830 days to get those pieces of equipment.
11:11:19 So a lot of the money that goes to the fire districts is for salaries and benefits and for equipment.
11:11:27 Her fire, response.
11:11:31 Yeah. And we we seldom need it. And we're really glad it's there when we do.
11:11:38 At a personal, you know. Individuals seldom need it, but.
11:11:42 Certainly grateful for it.
11:11:43 When we do need it.
11:11:47 Alright! Thank Kate, I'm more
11:11:51 Open to the truck proposal, knowing the range issue, knowing that they drive.
11:11:56 300 5,400 miles some days.
11:11:59 I mean.
11:12:01 Brandon drives 350. How would the 400 tell me how a fire marshal would drive 400 miles in a day, for example, like one of the things that we have coming up right now is that
we're.
11:12:11 Try to plan a trip out to the West End to go to like the Clearwater.
11:12:14 So use a different vehicle for that one trip. I mean, that's I guess it was a response that'd be a little bit different.
11:12:21 Well, I mean, you can test. You can charge the lightning at the Tesla place in swim, which will take 15Â min. You can charge it at the Tesla Place and Forks, which will take
15Â min. I mean, it's like.
11:12:34 These are only problems that we haven't encountered because we haven't encountered them yet, you know. I guess I'm I'm I've got very little sympathy for yet another gasoline.
11:12:44 Vehicle outside of the normal budget cycle, so I won't vote for it to the 83 and mandate an electric lighting. That's what we'll do.
11:12:54 I I guess I feel bad mandating an electric. You're saying it's not gonna work. That's fine, I'd say, don't approve the vehicle right now, and consider if it can cause I would
approve an electric vehicle right now. But I don't feel right saying, Oh, this is, you'll get this, or you'll get nothing at all. I'm just saying nothing at all.
11:13:12 But that's there was an additional cost for an electric vehicle. But do you have to look at again? But I do believe it was a.
11:13:18 1,000.
11:13:20 Yeah. And but the life cycle, I mean the yearly cost is a fraction of that 4,000. So and I mean, we all drive electric vehicles, and I.
11:13:30 Put money into my old gasoline one. I don't ever put any money into my my new one except tires, and you do breaks as often because it's regenerative breaking. So it's like.
11:13:39 Yeah.
11:13:41 I'm with Greg.
11:13:43 I I would fully support all the other costs.
11:13:47 That you outlined.
11:13:48 All the.
11:13:49 Tools that are needed, all the additional Ppe.
11:13:54 That.
11:13:55 Yeah, and I expected cost for the fire marshals to Kate. I mean, we're all all there at the conversation, and you know it is hard, but I think even then East Jefferson, fire
and rescue is like we're doing things that are outside our mandate. You know. We we gotta take care of all that. So I'm I'm I'm I'm okay, leveling up our capacity there. And I think
it's it will be good for the community. And I I recognize that cost. So I I feel some of the sticker shock, too, you know, as you as you.
11:14:20 Start a new program.
11:14:21 And of course we're not going to be able to do 100% recovery for the fire marshals. If there's.
11:14:27 30 investigations. Right? I mean, there's no way that to recoup those funds. So, recognizing that this is going to be, you know what 4% public safety sales tax that pretty much
just goes to the you know, into the general fund, into the sheriff's right now, and recognizing that we have other.
11:14:42 Public safety responsibilities that we had not been.
11:14:46 Upholding is, you know.
11:14:47 It's it's it's a budget challenge. But I guess that to me it's it's not a value question.
11:14:53 I would like to see a two-part proposal all the other expenses other than the vehicle and come back with what it's gonna take us to get us in an electric vehicle.
11:15:01 I mean, I'd approve everything except the vehicle now, and they're asking for the Tyler. The big business Plugin must approve that. But.
11:15:12 I don't know. Okay, we're we're over here, horse trade. What do you think.
11:15:17 Oh, it's tough, I mean, like I.
11:15:20 I feel like holding this office to.
11:15:26 An electric vehicle policy that we haven't created yet. There are so many other fleet vehicles that.
11:15:34 Have fewer challenges.
11:15:37 The.
11:15:38 You know, and I I agree like I think I think the challenges are insurmountable, you know, and I I.
11:15:43 Drive the ball to Olympia all winter long, and I'm I'm aware of those challenges.
11:15:47 Insurmountable or surmountable.
11:15:48 I think they are surmountable.
11:15:51 But you know, just like it. It feels a little weird to be holding this office to it when you know there are so many fleet vehicles that would be.
11:16:03 Much better candidates for converting to electric right off the bat. But you know this is happens to be before us now, and when we're all a little bit frustrated that we have.
We don't have this electric vehicle policy yet. So.
11:16:17 Now, anytime you draw the line is when you draw the line. I just feel like, you know, if we don't, we'll just. It'll be another year before we have a policy, and then, you know,
we'll still hear every use case. Oh, well, that doesn't quite fit our needs, because we always do it this way. So I I guess I'm.
11:16:33 I don't know.
11:16:34 Yeah.
11:16:34 That's definitely what me up all night last night.
11:16:38 And the fact that you know there is one on the state list that you know for F 1 50 like you know it is it is. There is a an option.
11:16:49 That
11:16:51 You know, I think could work, but so I don't. I don't have a strong feeling about it. I could go either way. I could support the.
11:17:00 Kind of requirement, of.
11:17:02 Of purchasing an electric vehicle. And I could also.
11:17:06 Go along with moving forward until we get a better policy in place. Countywide.
11:17:15 Alright!
11:17:17 Well, I guess before we take public comment. If we wanna do a motion, I don't know if anyone is inclined to to make a motion, or if you want to talk about a little more.
11:17:28 It'd be.
11:17:29 Good to know what the.
11:17:31 Costs other than the vehicle are.
11:17:34 Like.
11:17:34 Can you? Can you do that math real fast? It's, you know, 67,000 out of the 80 odd.
11:17:40 Yeah, it was a.
11:17:43 1617,000, or something.
11:17:45 Yeah. 49 was the rest of the vehicle, plus upfitting was about 18.
11:18:03 Total ask is 83, 9, 20.
11:18:11 Just doing a little math here. Folks.
11:18:17 Making Archimedes sausage.
11:18:21 15, 9, 85.
11:18:24 For all other than the vehicle. 16 k.
11:18:32 I'm happy to make a motion that we approve.
11:18:36 Up, to.
11:18:37 17,000.
11:18:38 For the office of the fire. Marshal.
11:18:41 Or all of the tools and equipment they need.
11:18:44 To get their programs up and running and.
11:18:47 Ask that.
11:18:49 They can just make the motion. Okay.
11:18:54 I'll second.
11:18:56 Okay, it's been moved to approve the up to $17,000 for all the equipment requested by the office of the fire Marshal.
11:19:06 And we will, I guess, come back to the.
11:19:09 Question of the vehicle after this motion, but before we take action we will open it up for public comment. And anyone that's with us in the public can hit the raise hand button
or star 9. If you're on the phone to make public comment about this particular motion.
11:19:23 Okay.
11:19:29 Welcome, Mr.
11:19:33 Good morning. Again. Commissioners!
11:19:35 Yeah.
11:19:37 I.
11:19:38 Sincerely appreciate your discussion about the concerns about not having Evs, as as I'm sure you know.
11:19:47 You gotta draw the line.
11:19:49 You gotta draw the line and
11:19:52 You know, this. This case isn't all that special use case.
11:19:55 Some of the one of the things that always amuses me, though when people are making these justifications is oh, well, when the power goes out. You won't be able to charge your
car.
11:20:05 Different.
11:20:05 Oh, when the power goes out the gas pumps don't work either. Folks.
11:20:08 So, you know. Yes, you can carry a gas can in the in the, in the bed of your your truck.
11:20:14 And that you can't do the same for an Ev.
11:20:16 But you know you need to either refine that argument or not use that argument about when the power goes out.
11:20:25 The range of a standard F, 150 is about 500 miles. By the way. So yeah, it's a lot more than the the lightning, but.
11:20:36 As Commissioner Brothers pointed out, there are numerous opportunities for fast charging now available and more coming online.
11:20:44 As we speak, so.
11:20:46 I think that concern just really.
11:20:49 Really goes away.
11:20:51 One of the things that caught my attention in the request for equipment.
11:20:54 Was handheld. GPS.
11:20:56 Really.
11:20:57 There's a GPS in every phone.
11:21:01 Come on, folks.
11:21:02 That one. You really need to scratch off the list.
11:21:06 You've got, you know, and if they're if they're more than one person in the vehicle, you've got redundancy. So.
11:21:14 I think, a little bit a little bit more careful consideration of the equipment for ordinary items like that.
11:21:22 Would be in order anyway. Once again. Appreciate the discussion about
11:21:28 To to remove the.
11:21:30 A vehicle from this particular appropriation request.
11:21:33 So that's my comment. Thank you.
11:21:36 Thank you, Mr. We'll respond to all comments after we get them. All. Anyone else like to make a comment on this particular motion.
11:21:49 Okay, seeing no more, I'll close public comment. And I don't know, Phil, do you want to speak at all to the GPS? I mean, I've I've been with people where they it's it's a different
tool than you know. If you're gonna be in the back country at all. That's just, you know.
11:22:12 We may not have cell phone service, or you know other things.
11:22:15 There's a little bit of enhanced functionality there, as well as you know, the trails trail function to get in and get out.
11:22:24 So it's difficult to get.
11:22:25 Topography and maps things like that on your phone. So.
11:22:28 That's what I mean.
11:22:34 Great. And they're waterproof. And they're waterproof, too. Not the same tool. Yeah, no, it's not the same tool, for sure. Yeah.
11:22:46 Okay? So we close public comment. I will call the question on whether to it was been moved to approve the equipment request, minus the vehicle for the fire marshals up to $17,000.
11:23:02 All in. Are there any more questions or comments.
11:23:04 Okay, all in favor of the motion indicate by saying, Aye.
11:23:08 Aye.
11:23:08 Alright!
11:23:10 That motion, such as it is, passes and maybe we could talk a little bit about.
11:23:16 What we individually and collectively would like to see visa visa vehicle.
11:23:21 I don't know. Heidi.
11:23:23 I'd like to see Staff not being relied on to use their personal vehicles.
11:23:28 That's.
11:23:30 Lots of stuff that's a stuck for me has been in my past professional life, and I know it's a stuck for.
11:23:36 Those folks, but I also.
11:23:40 Think this is an opportunity to.
11:23:42 Do the right thing.
11:23:44 And.
11:23:46 I've learned with my little electric car.
11:23:48 The charging is very available.
11:23:52 You know, you just have to.
11:23:53 Have your map know where you're going.
11:23:58 Kate anything to add.
11:24:01 I I wonder if
11:24:04 I don't know if that.
11:24:06 Workshop on this topic is scheduled.
11:24:10 Yet
11:24:11 But you know might be, I guess I think it would be good to.
11:24:16 Discuss a little further the pros and cons and maybe develop some criteria when we hold a department to this.
11:24:23 Potential new policy we're considering. So.
11:24:26 I always default to wanting more information. Even though I'm.
11:24:30 Feel fairly informed on this topic, but.
11:24:32 Again. So it doesn't feel like we're just signaling.
11:24:35 Pointing out, holding 1 1 office to something different than others.
11:24:40 And.
11:24:41 Think we could have a little more conversation with Fleet.
11:24:46 Yeah, I think if we can get that workshop.
11:24:48 Scheduled sooner. I don't know, Mark. Do you know, do we have a timeline for that.
11:24:52 Carolyn.
11:24:54 I know we talked about it.
11:24:58 Yeah, no. And it was kind of put off on the back burner for a little bit, I think.
11:25:02 As it as it has been, so I know, reached out, and
11:25:08 Reply that they are working on other things currently, but I can bring it back up again.
11:25:14 Yeah, or.
11:25:16 Yeah, I I would I would. If this was a a lightning I would have approved it today. I think Heidi would have as well, so if you guys want to, before we have that workshop which
is on the back burner again.
11:25:28 Say we'd consider it.
11:25:29 Yeah.
11:25:31 That's why I suggested adding 20 to the ask. I know I just doesn't sound to me.
11:25:38 And so.
11:25:39 We can justify a gasoline powered vehicle.
11:25:43 So in the meantime, there they got nothing.
11:25:47 I mean I if you, if you need help getting the Dcd vehicles, or they're ready for you. I'm sure we can accommodate that, too, but I I mean.
11:25:56 I guess I I don't know. Maybe there's a real. I haven't heard a good reason yet that to me justifies it, but I also feel.
11:26:04 Like. It's not our job to say you have to have this vehicle. I mean, we could.
11:26:10 You want. You think it would be advantageous to give the budget if they.
11:26:14 Choose. Well, I think they made their best.
11:26:18 This morning, and it failed.
11:26:20 So.
11:26:21 I don't see any other course of action other than.
11:26:25 Pursuing electric vehicle and see how it works.
11:26:29 Well, I guess we you wanna we can make a motion to authorize that.
11:26:34 The the expense, if I don't know.
11:26:36 Thoughts.
11:26:36 Like.
11:26:37 I'd be curious if if.
11:26:38 I mean it.
11:26:41 Concerns.
11:26:42 You know, actually feel insurmountable. I don't want to push a.
11:26:45 $80,000 piece of equipment on someone who doesn't want it.
11:26:50 Yeah, we definitely do go back to the drawing board.
11:26:53 Have that conversation. Yeah, I mean, I think, bring back and a proposal to us in a week or 2, or you know, whenever.
11:27:00 Sorry. Sorry this is coming up now, but it's.
11:27:02 It's been again and again, and.
11:27:05 I'm.
11:27:06 Just not ready to do any more of this.
11:27:09 Rarely do we get to come into this
11:27:14 Kind of go. No go point on a vehicle. So you know, to Kate's point of we're doing this without a policy like usually it. It comes after it's been worked into a budget and all
the way through. And oh, but yeah, this is exactly what we need. So I guess we're just gonna.
11:27:28 Push it a little bit here, so get you go back and talk with Brian and.
11:27:32 And for you to see if they can make it work. I mean, I think we would also support.
11:27:36 You know, getting a.
11:27:38 A charger at the Dcd. That gate does lock back there right.
11:27:42 Yeah. So I mean, you've got a secured spot. You don't need an expensive charger. Just any Clipper Creek charger on a on a.
11:27:51 Mine works. Great. Yeah, we have. We have a parking issue back there, too. We know your level is, have a parking spot for the truck. If you put in a charger.
11:28:01 Yeah.
11:28:02 Alright!
11:28:05 Okay. Well, great, thank you guys. And I guess that that concludes that unless there's anything else.
11:28:13 Okay. Thank you very much.
11:28:15 Best land transfer, trust, land, transfer consultation. Yes. Is Mr. Hunter still with us?
11:28:29 Alright, Kate, you.
11:28:31 See you later. Josh, yeah, good to see you guys.
11:28:35 See this up. The the need for this conversation. Timeline.
11:28:39 Sure. Yeah. So you know, this has been a little bit of tag teaming since Heidi is our main contact with Dnr. On the trust land transfer.
11:28:47 Process. And I've done a lot of the tribal relations.
11:28:53 it came to light in receiving a letter from the Point Treaty Council.
11:28:59 In July that they were opposed to the 4 projects we have applied for with Dnr. For the trust land transfer.
11:29:08 Because it was not apparent how treaty rights would be protected. And this is on the
11:29:15 Back of a number of.
11:29:18 Circumstances where tribal rights have not been explicitly upheld in various State funded.
11:29:26 Land related programs. And so you know, we're certainly concerned that the tribes letter will cause our projects to not be ranked very high in conversations with the bocc. We
have all expressed our interest in upholding treaty rights and willingness to put that into whatever instrument needs to be. So.
11:29:50 See Mark and Phil Hunker and I, as well as Tammy Pccorney, met last week with representatives from the Point, No Point Treaty Council and Port Gamble, as well as couple of folks
from Dnr. And thanks large part to Mr. Hunsucker. Came up with a a plan to.
11:30:10 Be able to move forward.
11:30:12 I'll let him talk about the details of that, and just enormous thanks to Phil for working all weekend, as far as I can tell on putting together a bunch of documents which we
will take a look at and decide if and how we want to move forward with.
11:30:26 Set a good tee up, Phil.
11:30:28 Nope.
11:30:29 And I wonder if you express my gratitude because this has been one of those awkward.
11:30:36 Handoffs of.
11:30:36 You know, sharing responsibility for getting this down the road, and you know, and also to express that.
11:30:43 This is a the 1st time the State is running this new Trust land transfer.
11:30:48 Program process.
11:30:49 And they made tribal consultation part of the process which was awesome. We made it part of it because I was on that committee.
11:30:59 But then didn't really talk about how that was. Gonna get taken care of.
11:31:04 And so a lot of counties thought that Dnr. Was doing that, and it, lo and behold! Not the case. So.
11:31:10 I think our projects are being held up, as as you know.
11:31:16 Kind of the test case.
11:31:18 For how this is gonna work. And so I really appreciate you guys.
11:31:23 Doubling down on this on behalf of the entire county's family in the State, who all the counties that are gonna.
11:31:28 Move forward with projects in the future.
11:31:32 Thanks. A nice shot, I assume. That's a oh, you gotta get your bring your microphone down, Phil.
11:31:37 Is this a Philhun sucker credited photo? I like the different angle on it.
11:31:43 Yes, it is.
11:31:44 But
11:31:45 But the angle is because I'm looking into the camera.
11:31:50 Oh!
11:31:52 Society.
11:31:50 I think the angle of the photo. Yeah, we can see you.
11:31:53 There we go!
11:31:54 Oh, yeah, that's that's from the that's from the corner of the street.
11:31:59 Gorgeous.
11:31:59 Yeah, people don't usually.
11:32:02 Take it. Take the photos from there.
11:32:05 So little different.
11:32:08 Just following up to what Heidi said. It's.
11:32:10 It is probably caused, because this is the 1st time.
11:32:15 There's kind of a catch 22 in the process that I'll talk about in a minute.
11:32:19 That we're really trying to.
11:32:20 This is.
11:32:21 This whole thing is designed to get around the agreement.
11:32:24 The catch. 22. But.
11:32:27 For the for the benefit of those who are as I was.
11:32:32 On Thursday,
11:32:35 Uninformed about the details of this program.
11:32:39 This is basically the basics. I'll talk about the basics of the program.
11:32:46 And then, you know.
11:32:47 What we ended up with.
11:32:51 Basically, the county applies.
11:32:54 To Dnr. For one of these Trustland transfers.
11:33:00 The anarch collects all the information, then sends the all the applications to an external advisory Board.
11:33:07 And it's the external Advisory Board that ranks the applications.
11:33:12 Dns.
11:33:13 Then seeks.
11:33:14 Public comments, and that's including from the tribe. There's even a specific provision about.
11:33:19 Talking to the tribes and others in the legislation.
11:33:24 And then, after receiving the public comments, the External Advisory Board ranks, the application.
11:33:30 And.
11:33:31 Travel comments are are rated heavily. There's a pro. I'll show you the.
11:33:36 The prior prioritization criteria.
11:33:39 On the next slide.
11:33:42 And then.
11:33:43 The list gets sent to the legislature, where funding.
11:33:47 And final comments are set.
11:33:48 So.
11:33:51 The the list after prioritization.
11:33:55 And considering public.
11:33:57 Comments, happens.
11:33:59 Before the determination of what covenants are going to be in the final documents.
11:34:06 So.
11:34:10 Here's the prioritization criteria.
11:34:14 And it's just. It's a policy decision how to how to rank anything.
11:34:20 And it was made in the in the
11:34:24 And the prioritization.
11:34:26 Criteria so.
11:34:28 That. This is. You see, that highlighted at the bottom, that the tribal support.
11:34:35 Score, and.
11:34:36 If you get a negative.
11:34:40 It. It zeroes you out.
11:34:44 Or I guess a negative. If you get a positive, you get all 15 points.
11:34:47 So it's a big deal in the context.
11:34:50 Of this prioritization.
11:34:53 I'm sorry, Phil, are you saying that 5 is.
11:35:00 Yeah.
11:34:57 Shows tribal support times. The multiplier and lack of support is 0 times 3. Yeah.
11:35:03 Yes, yes.
11:35:05 Yeah, that's pretty. Yeah.
11:35:05 And or if you get, or if you get a negative, that's I think it's a 0. I don't think I think it's a 0 or a 5.
11:35:12 So I have the other.
11:35:13 There's no negative.
11:35:15 Yeah, so this is.
11:35:15 There's no negative.
11:35:17 Anyway, it's a big swing. You can see that. That is, I I didn't put up the other thing, the tribal support and how it works.
11:35:24 There is a
11:35:26 There is a another chart or explanation of that, but.
11:35:31 But I didn't have time to put that put the whole thing together. I did this on the fly while you were doing the conversation.
11:35:37 With the fire marshal, so.
11:35:40 So that you would have something to look at but
11:35:44 So here's here's kind of the catch. 22, and it's it's it's already sort of talked about it. But.
11:35:49 But it's in.
11:35:51 It's laid out in the agreement, the draft agreement we're working on.
11:35:55 And it. It just explains the process. The problem with the process.
11:36:00 And.
11:36:01 That. I just talked about.
11:36:05 And.
11:36:08 Dnr. Is not doing anything wrong.
11:36:11 It's the pro. It's the process that's been created.
11:36:14 But it's frustrating.
11:36:16 Because.
11:36:18 Because where the ranking happens.
11:36:21 In in the process.
11:36:24 And.
11:36:24 And this is from the Dnr's website.
11:36:28 We also talked to them about this problem.
11:36:32 And.
11:36:33 What? What this says from the website is.
11:36:37 Exactly when.
11:36:40 When the final documents are are.
11:36:45 Approved. You know they're.
11:36:46 That's when the ease, the eas.
11:36:49 Or the covenants are placed in the final documents.
11:36:53 But you know, get to see them until the funding comes.
11:36:55 So if you have an application like.
11:36:58 Ours.
11:36:59 And somebody's a tribe is thinking about making negative public comments.
11:37:05 It's going to affect your ranking.
11:37:08 Before you even know what the documents gonna look like.
11:37:12 And so the tribes are in a difficult position.
11:37:15 If they're worried about treaty rights.
11:37:18 They have to make their objections known.
11:37:20 Before we know anything about what the final documents say.
11:37:29 And so Kate talked about this a while ago.
11:37:34 The Port Gammas tribe that and the Jamestown tribe.
11:37:41 And.
11:37:42 Sort of their partnership, which manages.
11:37:47 Natural resources for them! The point! No point.
11:37:50 Treaty Council. I think they would support this.
11:37:54 Proposal if it weren't for the.
11:37:56 The doubt about treaty rights.
11:37:59 And and all the difficulties that tribes had.
11:38:04 Enforcing their treaty rights.
11:38:07 Against the State of Washington, and, as you know, there's.
11:38:12 A whole.
11:38:14 Years and years and years of fighting with the State, particularly.
11:38:21 Good.
11:38:23 Fish and wildlife about.
11:38:24 About treaty rights, that.
11:38:27 That.
11:38:29 We're we're fully upheld starting in the bolt decision. And there's many decisions following bolt that upholds them.
11:38:36 So.
11:38:38 So we so we
11:38:41 We talked.
11:38:43 To Dnr.
11:38:44 And and and basically they said.
11:38:47 I I think they're correct.
11:38:49 That we can't tell you what the final documents are going to look like, and we can agree.
11:38:56 To what the final documents are gonna look like, because that doesn't happen till later.
11:39:01 So this.
11:39:02 Go ahead!
11:39:04 Some cases it's much later.
11:39:06 Because trust land transfer projects certain ones. 1 1 that's on the list for this year is.
11:39:12 Sounds like was that being proposed by the Klu.
11:39:15 Has been on that list and transfer list for.
11:39:20 Over 25 years.
11:39:22 So.
11:39:23 Lots can change in over 2 decades with, even with State law. So.
11:39:28 You know that? I think that's what explains Dnrs to.
11:39:34 Not.
11:39:36 Defining this stuff.
11:39:39 So.
11:39:40 So.
11:39:41 This.
11:39:43 Concept is a bridge.
11:39:46 To try to solve that problem.
11:39:47 And.
11:39:49 You're seeing it, or these, you're gonna see it for the 1st time. Kate's.
11:39:53 Kate and Mark saw.
11:39:55 The 3rd version of it this morning.
11:39:58 And and the.
11:40:01 The.
11:40:04 Lauren Rasmussen, who's.
11:40:07 Who's involved for the tribes negotiating it.
11:40:10 She saw a the 1st version of it, and the second version of it.
11:40:14 Yesterday.
11:40:16 And and is working on it this morning. So.
11:40:21 I'm kind of on a tight wire here without.
11:40:25 Without a net, because.
11:40:28 I'm putting something out there that you haven't seen or agreed to, and I I have made that clear to Warren.
11:40:33 But
11:40:34 So I'm gonna tell you kind of what's in it. It's it's.
11:40:37 It's very complex, because whereas clauses you can see here lay out the problem.
11:40:43 And there's more than you've seen.
11:40:45 And this.
11:40:47 In this presentation. But this is the essence. These are the ones that show the essence of the problem.
11:40:51 There's also once talking about how the program works and so forth.
11:40:56 But but here are the key.
11:40:59 The key.
11:41:03 Principles of the agreement.
11:41:07 First, st it creates an opportunity.
11:41:10 For the tribes to object to the final language, and.
11:41:14 And there.
11:41:16 A written notice requirement. That's not on this slide, but basically.
11:41:21 We give them.
11:41:23 You know, when we get the final version of what the covenants are going to be if we're selected for funding.
11:41:30 We send it to them immediately, or I think it's 5 days of get 5 days of getting it, and then.
11:41:37 Then they look at it, and they have 10 days to look at it, and they can object.
11:41:42 That it doesn't, that it doesn't protect their treaty rights.
11:41:46 And if they object and we agree, then we're not going to do this deal.
11:41:54 If they object, and we don't agree, which I think will be unlikely.
11:41:59 Because treaty rights.
11:42:00 Hard to find, I think.
11:42:03 Using the language.
11:42:04 Of the point, no point, treaty.
11:42:07 I don't, and I don't think you can really argue about what the treaty.
11:42:11 But the treaty says.
11:42:13 But it's comp. It's a complex.
11:42:15 Subject.
11:42:16 And you know we don't. We don't want to presume that, you know they should agree to it just because we say.
11:42:22 It doesn't violate rights. So there's a mechanism for.
11:42:29 Objection.
11:42:31 Discussion.
11:42:32 And alternative dispute, resolution.
11:42:37 In the agreement.
11:42:37 So, if we, if we.
11:42:39 If we have a dispute about whether.
11:42:43 Whether.
11:42:44 The final language.
11:42:47 Violates their treaty rights.
11:42:49 Then I'm I'm proposing that we have a government to government meeting to talk about it, and then.
11:42:58 Possibly.
11:42:59 Mediation.
11:43:00 And.
11:43:03 And mandate arbitration. I don't know how tribes.
11:43:08 Feel about that.
11:43:09 You, you know, and we're gonna have to have a discussion about that.
11:43:13 But there's lots of ways you could do that.
11:43:16 That process.
11:43:18 So so that's
11:43:21 That.
11:43:22 Completes.
11:43:23 Discussion of point 1.2 is.
11:43:26 Like, I think, really, the key here is.
11:43:29 It would add a treaty rights, easement.
11:43:34 To every property, that.
11:43:38 That gets funded, and where the.
11:43:41 Where there's.
11:43:42 That.
11:43:45 That the final documents.
11:43:47 Do not violate the
11:43:50 The tribes, treaty rights.
11:43:53 And.
11:43:55 The easement is a separate document, but it's an appendix to the.
11:43:59 To the agreement.
11:44:02 And it says it says exactly how the easement's gonna be placed.
11:44:06 What? At the both the agreement and the Easement defined treaty rights.
11:44:13 And it requires the county to record.
11:44:16 The Treaty Rights, Easement.
11:44:18 On all the parcels that are part that are part of the project.
11:44:24 And then in exchange for that.
11:44:26 We get an agreement.
11:44:29 Or the tribes to support the applications.
11:44:32 And there's an appendix with a proposed letter.
11:44:36 But that's a part of the agreement.
11:44:40 So that's the.
11:44:41 That's the basic outline of how it works. The details are in the document, but.
11:44:47 This is.
11:44:47 The vision, for how it would work.
11:44:53 How does this affect?
11:44:56 Help!
11:44:56 How could this affect.
11:44:59 Other.
11:45:02 Lands.
11:45:02 I mean, could we do this for more.
11:45:06 More of the lands that we hold.
11:45:10 But isn't piece number 2.
11:45:12 Well, the e the ease. So this is an agreement, and we're doing this by agreement. An agreement.
11:45:18 If you're going to do it by agreement, and you need consideration for the agreement. In other words.
11:45:23 Yeah. Yeah. 2 parties to an agreement.
11:45:26 And each party has to give something.
11:45:28 In order for an agreement to be Val to be valid.
11:45:31 So so you'd have to have.
11:45:35 A partner.
11:45:38 To do it on other.
11:45:40 Parcels.
11:45:42 Right.
11:45:43 And.
11:45:46 This whole treaty rights thing is, is.
11:45:50 Sort of complicated, because.
11:45:54 And what we can do is complicated.
11:45:57 Because.
11:45:59 Preemption. I think we talked about preemption in the past. Basically.
11:46:04 It limits, what.
11:46:08 Local government can do.
11:46:10 In the face of.
11:46:12 Federal.
11:46:13 Laws or state laws.
11:46:15 So we have to kind of look at that.
11:46:18 And you have to think about that, for all of these parcels.
11:46:21 And.
11:46:24 You know, for instance.
11:46:26 What kind of rules can we create for.
11:46:30 A shooting on these parcels.
11:46:32 Right.
11:46:37 Yeah.
11:46:33 Well, and didn't treaty rights come up when we were doing the no shooting ordinance. I remember that.
11:46:39 Yeah, but that's only for that. No shooting ordinance.
11:46:42 Well, if you have a if you had a.
11:46:48 And you know, if you wanna no shooting area.
11:46:51 And there's always heavy consultations with tribes on that right.
11:46:56 If.
11:46:57 But
11:46:58 So we've.
11:46:59 So we've had discussions about tribal rights and connection with adding.
11:47:04 No shooting areas.
11:47:06 Under our under our ordinance for that.
11:47:09 We also had discussions with tribes.
11:47:11 With the.
11:47:13 Commercial shooting facility, ordinance about preserving their.
11:47:16 Preserving their rights.
11:47:18 So you have to think about.
11:47:20 What that means every time.
11:47:22 And you have to think about. Let's just say.
11:47:26 The laws.
11:47:27 Related to people using guns. I don't care who they are, right reckless.
11:47:32 Shooting.
11:47:33 No, we can't change that law.
11:47:35 So we have. So you have to be careful. And the way I've tried to deal with that here.
11:47:41 It's just make it clear that this grants them access.
11:47:45 To exercise their treaty rights.
11:47:48 Without saying.
11:47:48 Without saying anything else.
11:47:50 So that all the other laws that are out there still apply.
11:47:53 And you know we'd have to work.
11:47:55 Through those but.
11:47:56 Where it's likely to come to a head.
11:48:01 Is.
11:48:02 It gets. Somebody gets a somebody gets confronted from a tribe. A tribal member gets confronted or arrested.
11:48:08 Around, there.
11:48:11 For something they're doing. And and they say.
11:48:14 You know, we're just exercising our treaty rights.
11:48:17 And we have a prosecutor.
11:48:21 In this county.
11:48:24 Who, as part of his prosecutorial.
11:48:28 Puts those disputes very far down the list of things that he's going to prosecute, and.
11:48:34 Would have to be something really bad that happened before.
11:48:38 I think our prosecutor would prosecute those. So it is complicated.
11:48:44 By those.
11:48:45 Buy those things, and then maybe that's more than you wanted to hear in response to your question. But.
11:48:49 Nope, please.
11:48:50 Or not enough. If you're gonna tell me in a minute.
11:48:53 Booth.
11:48:54 No, that was good.
11:48:56 Well, and I think you know part of the.
11:49:01 I don't know if there's confusion, but you know the.
11:49:05 It's interesting because the tribes have these rights, they have the right to hunt, gather access. You know this is what is the the description, Phil. On lands that are open
and.
11:49:17 Unobstructed, or.
11:49:18 Open, open, and unclaimed. I believe.
11:49:20 Yeah.
11:49:21 So these rights exist. We're just making it, you know, really explicit through the use of this easement.
11:49:30 Oh, yeah.
11:49:28 And we we haven't talked about the timing here, which is one of the really.
11:49:32 Tricky parts, you know, which is, you know. Heidi sits on the review committee, and it meets on Friday, so we're hoping to.
11:49:38 Get the tribes to rescind their letter of concern, and actually provide a letter of support for these projects. So I don't know if you're planning to get to that part, Phil.
But
11:49:51 The how we move forward is important in terms of being able to
11:49:55 You know. Get this resolved before the Friday ranking and scoring, meeting.
11:50:00 Yeah. So so all that's all that fits into 3.
11:50:11 Basically procedurally, what's going to have to happen is.
11:50:17 And this is why I just say this is why we set a special session for yet for tomorrow.
11:50:23 Is because.
11:50:25 The.
11:50:26 The agreements gonna have to be approved by.
11:50:30 You know all the sovereigns that are parties to it, and they're gonna have to go through the processes of approval. So.
11:50:38 Most likely that would be done by resolutions. I'm not exactly sure.
11:50:43 The exact mechanism that is used by each tribe.
11:50:47 For approval of agreements. But whatever the.
11:50:50 I think our process would be by be motion, or we might want to do it by resolution, since it's so significant.
11:50:57 But.
11:50:59 That's how it happened. And so.
11:51:02 One of the what on our meeting on Friday.
11:51:05 With Dnr.
11:51:08 And and the tribes.
11:51:11 It's 1 of the things we.
11:51:13 Said so. There!
11:51:15 Working on that.
11:51:16 I think.
11:51:18 Simultaneously.
11:51:19 We have a we have a meeting tomorrow afternoon at one.
11:51:26 Same people same. All I guess just the tribes is nobody else, and us.
11:51:32 To talk about.
11:51:34 They? You know this document.
11:51:37 There might be some negotiating between me and Lauren.
11:51:41 You know, today or tomorrow I don't know.
11:51:43 But you know.
11:51:45 I mean, she's a little bit in the position I am about.
11:51:49 You know, walk in a tight rope here without a net before they, before we'd have discussions among.
11:51:55 Among parties, but someone had to put the document together.
11:51:58 And that was me.
11:52:00 So.
11:52:01 So this is what you got. It's I.
11:52:04 I've told Lauren very clearly.
11:52:06 I don't have any authority for this.
11:52:08 I haven't even talked to my clients about it.
11:52:10 But given how much time we have, and I thought it was.
11:52:16 Worth it to try to walk the tight.
11:52:18 Yeah, it was. Thank you, Phil, I really appreciate your leadership on this.
11:52:24 For sure.
11:52:24 And I did read. I did read every draft you sent.
11:52:31 They just got progressively clearer.
11:52:33 So it's not a lot different from the 1st to the 3, rd but.
11:52:40 So do you have a recommendation, Phil, in terms of if we
11:52:48 Cause we don't have.
11:52:50 Final documents to approve, because we haven't gotten any feedback yet from point no point.
11:52:57 Do we wanna can like hold our special meeting for tomorrow, or do we wanna authorize.
11:53:04 Me to sign? Or do you have a preference on how we move forward?
11:53:09 So.
11:53:09 I think the problem is, we might not be done tomorrow.
11:53:14 In fact, we might not be done in time.
11:53:17 Or the executive set for the ex. I'm sorry the the special session so.
11:53:22 I think.
11:53:23 I think the only way to get this done is really to have.
11:53:27 The board.
11:53:29 Authorize somebody to sign this.
11:53:31 Document on behalf of the county on behalf of the Board.
11:53:34 I don't see any other way of getting it done.
11:53:37 And time.
11:53:37 Because so much has to happen. Like all the all the.
11:53:42 All the parties have to come to agreement.
11:53:44 And then.
11:53:46 I'm not so much.
11:53:48 Worried about, you know, finalizing.
11:53:50 The easement, but there might be some tweaks to the easement.
11:53:54 But the letter of support.
11:53:56 Right. That's got to be worked over.
11:53:59 By by the tribes and us.
11:54:02 So.
11:54:05 Now we could, you know.
11:54:07 We could have the me. Even if you want to delegate to Kate the authority to sign, we could still have the meeting.
11:54:13 As kind of a check in.
11:54:15 So you know what's going on.
11:54:18 And if and if and
11:54:21 You know. If.
11:54:25 You know significant changes, or whatever you might want to know, that.
11:54:30 If I had to guess.
11:54:32 I'm gonna say, we're not going to be done by the time scheduled for the executive session.
11:54:37 But.
11:54:39 It's possible that.
11:54:41 In it, now.
11:54:43 I did such a fantastic job that the.
11:54:46 That the that no one will have a single thing to say about this complicated document.
11:54:52 And.
11:54:54 That's never happened in the history of me.
11:54:57 So.
11:54:59 So it would have to be something.
11:55:02 Really unusual, because.
11:55:05 Because it's complex.
11:55:08 Problem. It's a complex document. And.
11:55:11 You. You gotta think about it. I mean, Kate can.
11:55:14 Talk about our own review of it, and.
11:55:16 You know whether it was.
11:55:17 Yeah, pretty clear to her. She's been involved, dated, you know, on this process.
11:55:23 Consistently. There'll be people that get this document that.
11:55:27 Haven't thought much about it.
11:55:29 About the details.
11:55:33 And.
11:55:33 You know.
11:55:35 Not a not a knock on.
11:55:38 Or on anyone at the tribes.
11:55:41 But.
11:55:45 They weren't, they didn't have. The detailed.
11:55:49 Document like this to to talk about. They were worried about.
11:55:53 You know, an overriding principle that they've been fighting for for years. Right? It's we don't want this to violate our treaty rights.
11:56:02 Breck.
11:56:02 And so I have no idea how they're gonna react to this document.
11:56:07 But I was trying to think about.
11:56:09 How I would if I were them.
11:56:11 All the way through through it.
11:56:13 You know so.
11:56:13 We'll see how I did when we talked to them.
11:56:17 But.
11:56:17 So.
11:56:16 But I mean, I guess I would argue keeping the special meeting tomorrow, so we can check in seems appropriate, also authorizing Chair Dean to to sign this agreement on on behalf
of the of the counties.
11:56:29 Seems like what we can do to add flexibility to this, you know, getting this done in the in the short timeframe that we have.
11:56:36 I totally agree with that, and you know I think.
11:56:40 It's.
11:56:43 This. What we're experiencing right now is indicative of.
11:56:48 All the counties being on the ranking committee. I've heard multiple counties.
11:56:52 We didn't know we had to do tribal consultation.
11:56:56 Or we didn't know who was doing it, so.
11:57:00 This crunch time we're in is.
11:57:03 Unfortunate and.
11:57:05 Was.
11:57:07 Hard to anticipate.
11:57:11 Partially because of the catch. 22.
11:57:14 Yeah.
11:57:15 But you you are! You articulated? Well.
11:57:21 So, you know, I mean, it's it happens sometimes with legislation. That's why we're always.
11:57:28 Fixing it the next year.
11:57:30 Right.
11:57:30 You know.
11:57:32 Hello!
11:57:32 Yeah, so, Kate.
11:57:32 I don't know if the 2 of you have had a chance to read through the documents yet, but.
11:57:39 Tomorrow.
11:57:39 No, I haven't sent them to him.
11:57:41 Okay, yeah. So that would be another reason to keep the meeting tomorrow. Is that give you an opportunity to read through it.
11:57:46 Yeah.
11:57:47 Would it be more appropriate? I mean, it's not gonna happen.
11:57:50 Before the meeting tomorrow. Right? So should we just wait to kinda.
11:57:55 Give.
11:57:56 To to move that that Kate has that authorization at that meeting tomorrow. It could be the action that we take if no other.
11:58:03 Or would you? Is there a reason to.
11:58:06 Here's why I think you should do it, anyway.
11:58:09 Even if it's approved tomorrow.
11:58:14 Okay. Even if we get all the way through this, they love the document. They don't have any changes, and they say.
11:58:19 Okay. Go.
11:58:21 We're not going to. All the parties aren't going to be able to agree to it by tomorrow. At 3 o'clock.
11:58:27 Spot.
11:58:28 It's not going to happen. So.
11:58:30 Just as a function of.
11:58:33 Having.
11:58:35 Have not having to go through a process of.
11:58:36 Having all the commissioners sign it, you should probably delegate it to her whether you do that.
11:58:42 Today or tomorrow. If you're gonna do the special session.
11:58:46 It doesn't matter, but.
11:58:48 But I don't want to lose.
11:58:50 Track of that. So.
11:58:52 I.
11:58:52 It might be better to do it while we're talking about it.
11:58:54 We got 2Â min left here before the lunch break. Did you have something else to add.
11:58:58 Yeah, just that. I think. There is some benefit that if we are able to sign it as soon as possible, that even if the other tribes don't get to signing it before Friday, that
that might be evidence enough for the Treaty Council to rescind their letter of concern and submit a letter of support.
11:59:19 Yeah, that's a really good point.
11:59:21 Yeah, that's an excellent point. Alright. Well, Heidi, are you inclined to make a motion.
11:59:27 I move that we authorized Jardine to sign
11:59:31 An agreement.
11:59:32 With the
11:59:35 Point, treaty, council.
11:59:37 And that we stick to our 3 o'clock meeting tomorrow.
11:59:42 About this matter. Okay.
11:59:43 I'll second.
11:59:46 Any further conversation, I guess, since this wasn't on our agenda, too, I'll open it up for public comment if there's no comment from Phil, or Kate, or Mark.
11:59:55 Okay.
11:59:56 Yeah. And I think it's, I think it's.
11:59:58 Good to put up the Powerpoint, too, and I'll send that to.
12:00:02 I'll send that to Carolyn.
12:00:04 One thing about the Public Records act I want to say, in case people are, I don't think we should put the agreement up.
12:00:12 Because we we don't know what it.
12:00:14 We're still making the sausage. We don't know.
12:00:17 But it says, and I don't want.
12:00:21 Comments from the.
12:00:22 From the public about a document. They, you know.
12:00:25 But they don't understand happening.
12:00:29 Until we until we get farther down the road, and fortunately.
12:00:33 There's an inception to the public records act that fits this, which is the deliberative process.
12:00:38 Exception, and so we can rely on that.
12:00:41 And then the way that exception works is.
12:00:44 You know, once we're once we're done with the process, we come to agreement, final agreement.
12:00:50 Then you produce, you produce all the back stuff.
12:00:53 So I think I think that's the way we should do it.
12:00:58 You do negotiations with.
12:00:59 You know.
12:01:00 On leases, the way you do negotiations with unions.
12:01:04 So it's not anything untoward at all.
12:01:08 Great. Thank you for that clarification, Phil.
12:01:10 Okay, I will open it up for public comment. If anyone has something to contribute to our before our motion on whether we authorize chair, Dean, to sign this agreement that is
still being
12:01:24 You know, going through the meat grinder, please raise your hand. You can hit the raise hand button or star 9 if you're on the phone, and we would love to hear from you.
12:01:32 About this topic.
12:01:35 Make one more call for public comments.
12:01:38 Okay, seeing none, I will close public comment and call the question. There's no other issues. All in favor of the motion on the floor, indicate by saying, Aye.
12:01:48 Aye, aye.
12:01:50 Any opposed.
12:01:50 Alright!
12:01:51 That is unanimous.
12:01:54 Thank you for yet another. All weekend work, Phillip to, you know, empower the county to get this done in a timely fashion.
12:02:03 You're welcome.
12:02:05 Okay, great. Well, it is a little past 12, so I will recess until 1 30, when we'll come back and have a pretty full afternoon as well.
12:02:12 Hope to see you, Kate, but if you're not feeling well, you know, get a nap, and we'll see how you feel. Alright. Take care.
12:02:18 Like.
13:30:22 Awesome.
13:30:23 Course she does.
13:30:29 Oops, 9.
13:30:33 Agenda.
13:30:35 Meet with us. You back with us, Kate.
13:30:38 I'm here.
13:30:40 Okay.
13:30:41 Okay, everyone ready to go.
13:30:45 Welcome. I will call us back into session for the afternoon. We have a continued workshop with the Public Works crew on the Sewer ordinance at 2 o'clock, so this might be our
only time for.
13:30:58 Briefings and calendaring, is there? Oh, and you have a letter, Kate, that you were gonna walk on as well.
13:31:05 I don't.
13:31:05 Maybe we should address.
13:31:07 Sorry I don't have it yet. I'm still waiting.
13:31:10 To receive a copy of it. So sorry we'll have to push it later.
13:31:14 Okay, that's fine. Well, why don't we get going with with briefing? Do you wanna go first, st Kate?
13:31:23 Take me a minute to get back to last week.
13:31:32 Oh, yeah, I guess.
13:31:29 Actually, are we looking at 2 weeks back? Really with the
13:31:33 Didn't meet on the.
13:31:37 29.th
13:31:38 Yep.
13:31:39 It's going way back.
13:31:48 I will say had another meeting with
13:31:52 City port and East Jefferson fire and rescue about the roady carnival locations downtown, and it sounds like there is
13:32:01 Fair amount of consensus around trying to find a spot downtown for the Carnival to be able to come back. So be meeting with
13:32:09 Roadie fest representative in the next few weeks, and hopefully start narrowing that down a little bit, but really appreciate the city and port, being such willing partners
in that.
13:32:21 I was away for about a week, so
13:32:25 Probably relatively briefing here.
13:32:29 Got back.
13:32:33 July, Wednesday of last week.
13:32:39 See
13:32:40 Peninsula transportation planning organization. We have a legislative work group that met and we finalized some our legislative agenda which I'll be running by all of you. I
should say that work grouped it. It will go to the prpo for.
13:32:57 Final approval.
13:32:58 And then I will bring that back to you.
13:33:03 Getting ready for County fair. Hope everyone is planning to attend the county fair this coming weekend. Lots of good stuff happening there as usual.
13:33:13 And then the tribal consultation which we talked about.
13:33:15 Last week and dealing with the Internet.
13:33:19 Down on a Friday bit of a
13:33:23 Busy afternoon at the courthouse on Friday.
13:33:27 And then mostly spent the weekend trying to.
13:33:30 Kick this bad head cold, so.
13:33:33 Short briefing from me.
13:33:35 No problem. Thank you, Kate.
13:33:39 Looking back. 2 weeks.
13:33:42 On the 23.rd
13:33:45 At our Board of Health Sanitation Subcommittee. That work keeps.
13:33:49 Percolating along
13:33:52 Let's see.
13:33:56 Talking about chemicals, of emerging concern.
13:34:02 Working on
13:34:05 Building some flexibility and on our current minimum land area for environmental health and.
13:34:11 Water, quality.
13:34:15 We talked about.
13:34:18 Holding tanks for Rvs and on site on Site Code, the State revision.
13:34:24 Regarding additional dwelling units and how that might apply to Rv. So we just have a lot of topics that we keep.
13:34:30 Bird dogging as a as a subcommittee.
13:34:35 The Opioid Subcommittee, Opioid Funding Subcommittee.
13:34:40 That afternoon.
13:34:42 We continue to work forward with
13:34:46 Developing a you know.
13:34:49 A sub a funding Subcommittee of Behavioral Health Advisory Committee, which we have formed.
13:34:54 And are working on the Rfp process.
13:34:57 It'll be a separate Rfp process for the opioid firm grasp on how much opioid like we need a a spreadsheet that outlines when and.
13:35:08 How much funding is gonna be available before we.
13:35:11 Really start talking about it so far, but another one coming.
13:35:15 And.
13:35:16 Just yeah.
13:35:18 Community Foundation Board Meeting.
13:35:20 Is there only one settlement so far that we had at least 2.
13:35:23 Does 2. 1 is kind of holding up the behavioral health consortium, and the second one, the second of the 2 big ones was going to be Hac. For Rfp to get into the community. So
and then we have a couple, a small one coming soon, and then a larger one. Yeah.
13:35:40 And they're all.
13:35:42 Multi multi years in different time frames.
13:35:45 So it's it's complicated. Yeah.
13:35:38 Okay. Thanks.
13:35:49 Then let's see.
13:35:52 Wednesday afternoon.
13:35:58 I met with apple.
13:36:00 And Anna.
13:36:02 Oh, just Apple, actually to talk about the Haver Health Advisory Committee and.
13:36:08 Kind of how to structure, how to.
13:36:12 How to true up.
13:36:14 The
13:36:16 Defines membership of the Behavioral Health Advisory Committee and some change seats that have happened over the years.
13:36:23 Cause. We've proposed adding a community services seat. But we realize we need to do that.
13:36:28 Formally.
13:36:29 But there have also been changes that have been made since, even before my time as a commissioner, that.
13:36:35 We're never really.
13:36:37 Tracked through the system.
13:36:38 So just trying to true up.
13:36:41 When when does? When did seats get added? How did they get added.
13:36:45 And how can we level set where we are with behavioral advisory committee and at a community services seat? So.
13:36:53 Doing that work.
13:36:55 Met with a constituent who's concerned about the food Bank, and also interested in being on their board, and she would be fantastic for the food bank. So.
13:37:03 Trying to get a sense of
13:37:07 Where the food bank is at with our board, and they.
13:37:10 Keep people different. People keep getting different messages. So.
13:37:13 I have not been able to attend another.
13:37:17 Food Bank Board meeting, but I am going to reach out about their August and see if I can attend.
13:37:22 Either their Executive committee meeting or their full Board meeting this month.
13:37:27 We had a swack meeting on Thursday, the 25.th In the afternoon.
13:37:34 Friday, the 26, th we had.
13:37:38 Our trust, land, transfer.
13:37:42 Project ranking team meeting. I think that was the.
13:37:46 3rd of 4 meetings.
13:37:48 And we've now reviewed all 30 ish of the applications and are in the process of.
13:37:54 Ranking, giving rankings to each of the projects so.
13:37:58 Our work on our projects is couldn't be more timely.
13:38:05 Let's see.
13:38:09 And then I went to the Lsc. Meeting, where they approved.
13:38:13 Wasac.
13:38:14 Lawsuit.
13:38:16 On, the.
13:38:16 Juvenile Court.
13:38:22 Saturday, the 27, th I went to a great forest celebration down at the Foil Community Center. It was fantastic.
13:38:31 And.
13:38:33 Jane Hall got me in a wig for the raffle, drawing so.
13:38:37 She won you in a week. No, she got me to wear a wig that I can help with the raffle. I think that was entertaining.
13:38:43 I mean you would be a good prize in a wake as well. Lunch with Heidi.
13:38:49 Let's see.
13:38:52 So we didn't meet on the 29.th I did actually take a day off that day.
13:38:56 On Tuesday, the 30, th I had a meeting with Will events just to get a status update on his.
13:39:03 How he's doing.
13:39:07 A recycling meeting regarding a program called Rid. If you've heard of rid well, they are offering a service called Ridwall Express, where you can mail some categories of your
plastics to them.
13:39:20 And then they mail you an empty bag and a bunch of people 100, I say 100 people were there, maybe 80 people.
13:39:28 That bridge is left downtown, and I bet half of them signed up for this service, so.
13:39:35 There's a hunger for.
13:39:37 Effective plastics recycling, and if Al Karen's listening to me go, he'll say nothing works.
13:39:43 Wednesday, the 31st I had an encumbered Lands work group meeting in the morning.
13:39:50 And.
13:39:51 This is all the week I was supposed to not be working. These are the meetings I had that week.
13:39:56 Thursday morning, the 1st I met with Representative about the upcoming session.
13:40:03 I had a meeting at the O. 3, a council of Governments meeting after that. Then I met with Commissioner Ozias.
13:40:11 From column, just to talk about.
13:40:15 Some Dnr forest land issues.
13:40:18 Then we had the 4th and Final Trustland Transfer Ranking Committee meeting that afternoon on the first.st
13:40:25 Then I went to the Jefferson County Parks and Rep. Board meeting.
13:40:30 And on Friday I.
13:40:32 Took most of the day off, although.
13:40:35 It did.
13:40:38 Have a call with the Commissioner of Public Lands.
13:40:41 Who wanted to talk about the day Bob expansion.
13:40:44 And
13:40:46 They're intending to announce the above expansion soon.
13:40:51 And are not going to include West Day. Bob.
13:40:54 And explained it very well that it.
13:40:57 It is those acres. 45 acres I think it is, are part of what we're getting compensated for.
13:41:05 In our encumbered lands work. So this is where my 2 work groups are.
13:41:11 2 Dnr efforts are emerging.
13:41:12 And so I get, I get, I get it completely. Why they're not gonna include. So I've been. Then I spent.
13:41:20 Much of the rest of Friday, calling other state holders explaining the situation to them.
13:41:26 And then.
13:41:28 Went so great for anniversary that evening at.
13:41:32 Thin river.
13:41:35 Was sailing on Saturday when Kate was needing help with the Trustland transfer work.
13:41:40 And that was that brings us to yeah, to this week.
13:41:44 Great.
13:41:45 Thank you. Heidi.
13:41:48 See, mine will be.
13:41:50 Pretty quick as well.
13:41:55 The week of the 20 second with you guys. Of course, on the 20 second.
13:42:00 Can I hit high points.
13:42:02 The shelter coalition was on the 23.rd That's when we talked with kind of took solicitations and ideas about the Roi situation, and and we'll get more tomorrow.
13:42:12 Talk about calendaring.
13:42:14 The South Kent Harmon meeting had to be rescheduled, and I visited some.
13:42:20 Concern citizens out Thornke Way, near Bridge Haven, that we're have some issues with the speed limit out there and want, you know.
13:42:27 The classic poo, platter of.
13:42:32 Speed tables and flashing lights and everything else. And so I, you know.
13:42:38 Monty's gonna look at.
13:42:40 You know the the traffic studies they have and do a little internal traffic study, but it is. It's a.
13:42:45 It is.
13:42:48 You know that section where it goes down, where there's bunch of houses that wouldn't be built, that right next to that, the street that are 25, and it's 50 and 40 on either
side of it. So people just barrel down there. And it's true.
13:42:58 And there's nothing that we can really do about it.
13:43:02 And of course you're ready to go. Well, we're willing to pay for flashing signs. Oh, well.
13:43:08 Are we gonna do that.
13:43:09 To every neighborhood, they can only afford it. Then what about the neighborhoods that can't afford the the, you know, 30 to 40 grand. So I have a few that would be like ready
for that. Yeah, no, there's a lot that would.
13:43:21 So one of those in Thorndg.
13:43:24 On Wednesday we had one disability meeting.
13:43:30 Great. Still, not gonna do a list for folks. But Lindsay's doing a great job staffing that.
13:43:35 Then
13:43:36 With one of the other.
13:43:40 Julia Cochran met the Breckle House folks to talk about.
13:43:45 Their their report on housing that we're going to get a little report out to Housing Fund Board.
13:43:50 Later in the year, kind of after Rfp. Process, and then they are.
13:43:54 Willing to come in 1st quarter of 25, as well.
13:43:58 And you know, basically help us use the tools that they're building to understand housing sector. So.
13:44:06 Good meeting their initial, and thanks for, thanks to Julia for making that connection.
13:44:12 I had to go in your lane a little bit about the food bank I met with ole cap. There's just concern over the community center, and we'll seeing in the food bank as they.
13:44:20 Start to spin up building on that other building. So just.
13:44:25 Kind of was there to help.
13:44:30 So are they. Are they schooling, building back up, cause they.
13:44:33 I? You know I we didn't talk. They are supposedly. When I went to that board meeting.
13:44:39 6 weeks ago. Now, they said. By the end of July it was our goal to start construction again.
13:44:44 We didn't get a deadline for starting construction. But yes, I think they are still planning to do that. I actually just boarded on a note from Assessor Chapman about how they
should.
13:44:55 You know. Apply the Department of Revenue to get out of the taxes on that building because it's new construction. Of course, that's the taxes will go quite a bit.
13:45:04 And then we had the Housing Fund Board Meeting.
13:45:08 All went well.
13:45:10 I had Jeff Com in the morning on Thursday. I'm still kind of working on strategic plan there, everything moving along. And then I was out of the office for the rest of the day.
Thursday.
13:45:22 Friday, a couple meetings about the
13:45:25 Black Point Master plan resort as well as getting ready for the.
13:45:31 The final
13:45:33 Tool Task Force meeting, which happened last Thursday.
13:45:35 We also had an lte meeting, heard.
13:45:39 Some reports out, and we have a meeting again this week to try to.
13:45:42 Kind of refine. I think there'll be some recommendations coming to adopt a couple of the examples we've seen in other Lcs.
13:45:52 Not to put anything more on the Po's office, but getting a quick spreadsheet that talks about each applicants.
13:45:59 Eligibility. Under the Rcw. One.
13:46:03 2, probably a suggestion to create a master plan. And and
13:46:08 Coordination with the voc.
13:46:10 To to guide those awards, to have, you know. So we can say, Oh, this is important, this is value, this. These are what we want to do it, instead of ensuring that in the code.
13:46:18 And then there'll probably be some code recommendations as well.
13:46:24 And then, yeah, lots of cool stuff getting ready. Oh, I haven't gotten through that weekend. I will.
13:46:34 L tax going along.
13:46:37 I was out. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Present.
13:46:41 And I miss the Edc. Meeting.
13:46:43 We had a Thursday, the 1st we had an Edc. Board meeting at Point Hudson that was starting a kind of strategic planning for Edc. Really good exercise, trying to, you know, find
the mission which is vague and all encompassing. And and you know there still struggles with that 4 way agreement on what exactly are we supposed to do? So.
13:47:07 Also. Sad news, unfortunately, and that Douglas is retiring at the end of
13:47:14 By the end of August.
13:47:15 So want to train up, you know, several trainers.
13:47:19 I again tried to push a Dugbot, and no one was biting, but not gonna give up on Doug Bot.
13:47:26 And then once you're gonna play your banjo about Doug.
13:47:30 I was gonna play my band. I don't know if we have time about my swimming pool update, actually. But we're running quick, running out of time.
13:47:39 And it's sometimes just.
13:47:41 Bringing the band during that plane. It says more and is appreciated by people more
13:47:48 Talk to Melissa Pao's office about AI, as we will go back into our AI think tank on Thursday afternoon.
13:48:00 It's it's all around us. But.
13:48:03 Yeah, just kind of swing that back up again is going to be more stuff coming out of the States in September, October, about policies.
13:48:12 And we looked at the new Mrc article that.
13:48:16 References, references. Jefferson County in our.
13:48:20 Public!
13:48:21 Records case with Balinsky as as part of the reason for taking. You know, knowing that any input you make into an AI system is a public record.
13:48:30 Though it's probably transitory public. So if you, you know, do a search, and you've kept that search, then it's a public record, but it's there's not a records retention.
13:48:41 Or AI Inputs or outputs yet, but that's probably something that will come.
13:48:46 This fall or winter is what is a record retention schedule for.
13:48:51 AI, content and.
13:48:53 Generating AI content. Couldn't AI just take care of all of our public records for us?
13:49:00 Give it a year, give it a year.
13:49:03 I went out to the Povc Board meeting.
13:49:09 Where I was.
13:49:10 I mean, I actually.
13:49:12 Got an apology from the chair. I was accosted a little bit about Breaker Lane.
13:49:16 Yeah, which is that private street, you know, that goes right by the village center there. That is just broken down. And
13:49:25 Pla is talking about putting a just.
13:49:27 Like a big landscape block, or whatever they call these big blocks to prevent people from using it as a shortcut ecology block.
13:49:35 Because people just use it to circumvent the stop sign and the little loop, the loop you have to do around it. And it was suggested that the county should take it over as a
public road, even though Pla said that the county was not interested, and I said, Well, it's.
13:49:48 You know, we don't usually take those stuff that stuff to public works. We hear it from public works. If there's a road that they think would be appropriate to take on, and
we had.
13:49:57 A spirited conversation about.
13:49:59 I don't know.
13:50:01 Dot.
13:50:02 Dog tails, wagon, the dog! But that's where he left it.
13:50:07 And then we had the apology. After that.
13:50:10 I got the not from the person who was prompting the conversation, but from the chair.
13:50:16 My answer is, we're not taking well, I guess.
13:50:19 And then we had our final Pool Task Force meeting Thursday evening and we will have more stuff later about that. I'm a little hesitant to.
13:50:30 Give you all their recommendations, but everyone was agreed at the last. I this is when I could play the banjo. But let's get through. We still got 2 o'clock.
13:50:42 But if anyone wants to do a singalong that's really my takeaway is that one of the big recommendations is that everyone needs to sing off the same music, and that
13:50:52 So they're suggesting that.
13:50:54 First, st we.
13:50:56 Make the presentation. There's a Powerpoint slide deck and a report and a press release that we're working on.
13:51:02 That they've all they've agreed on the the details that go in it.
13:51:05 And we think that it should. 1st go have this steering, healthier steering committee come to a Chambers meeting like we do the healthier together, which is.
13:51:16 You know, only.
13:51:17 In person only the invited participants, but it would be on zoom and open to everyone to watch as a as a, as an attendee.
13:51:25 And then, followed by a joint city.
13:51:29 Presentation, where we can have a conversation, and then and then Jefferson, aquatic coalition.
13:51:35 And then we all we did all sing a song together at the end.
13:51:40 Jim Scarrino on guitar, me on the banjo, everyone singing so that's hopefully the kind of.
13:51:48 I won't say Harmony, but working together that we can achieve, because I think that's going to be the big thing to get a pool built.
13:51:55 I had lunch the next day with John Morrow, and he thought that early September would be a good time to have that joint meeting.
13:52:05 In anticipation of the budget stuff happening month after that.
13:52:10 Probably that's like us going to a city work session or something on a Tuesday night, and and.
13:52:18 Having a special meeting with them too, so we can have both presentation, and then conversation about it. As with both bodies there.
13:52:24 I'm able to contribute.
13:52:27 Also met with.
13:52:29 Oh, in row! The chair of the city's Lt.
13:52:33 Board committee to talk about.
13:52:36 Different processes there, and, you know, talked a lot about.
13:52:40 Them taking marketing basically into their own staff member position.
13:52:45 And it's actually a conversation that gave up a couple of times. I'm going in a week or 2 to.
13:52:51 Polls, though, to look at their new sign that has the
13:52:55 Welcome to Polsbo the roundabout, as you come through. There's a lot of desire from the tourism, master plan to put a welcome to the Olympic Peninsula sign at the Roundabout,
at the bridge.
13:53:06 And is that doing our parcel right there? Well, they want to put it right in the roundabout. So what would have to happen is irrigation or conduit would have to go in as they're
building it. And that's what. So we're going to go learn about. And.
13:53:20 Coming back to tourism. It was the city's marketing person has already been in contact with them. So as we're talking about this, they say, yeah, we've already been talking
to public works about how this would get done. I'm like, Oh, I didn't know that public works had been.
13:53:34 Spoken to. Oh, no city public works. And I that's just an advantage of having your your marketing team in house is that you can have those conversations.
13:53:42 But staff to staff before they go out. So.
13:53:44 I will be bringing our Public Works Department into that conversation.
13:53:50 And that was.
13:53:53 Last week, so
13:53:56 Mark, how was your last 2 weeks?
13:53:58 So I'm going back to right? Yeah.
13:54:02 Okay, so 2 weeks, starting with the 20 second, of course, meeting.
13:54:07 And then on the 23, rd 8, 30 meeting.
13:54:12 Followed by a weekly with Josh Peters.
13:54:16 And then embedded it in. That was a meeting to prepare for the Ila discussion with each Jefferson fire.
13:54:23 Later in the day, which occurred at 2 30.
13:54:27 Then 24, th 25, th 26.th I attended the Risk Conference.
13:54:32 In Shelton.
13:54:34 Major development out of that conference was.
13:54:39 2 things. One is the riskful wants to shift from.
13:54:44 But on October 3rd September to one January 31 December.
13:54:49 So this fall, we're gonna be billed for 15 months of insurance. So
13:54:56 That's gonna be a financial hit.
13:54:58 And then, of course, rates are going up.
13:55:01 The winning percentage of liability premiums.
13:55:04 No increase in property, or crime, or cyber.
13:55:10 What I'm.
13:55:11 Reckoning that we'll need another 300,000 in budget to handle that.
13:55:15 So.
13:55:17 I love going to those conferences with delightful news.
13:55:21 Next week, 29, th 31, st I was in Maple Valley.
13:55:27 My daughter's gone, so no more Fridays off.
13:55:31 Then 1st day, August first.st
13:55:36 Sat down with teamsters, central services.
13:55:39 We.
13:55:41 Can't agree on a couple of items. They're gonna take.
13:55:45 What we're offering to their employees for a vote, and that's good.
13:55:49 If it fails, then we'll either sit down and continue negotiating, or mediation.
13:55:54 And the issue is the retirement plan that they would like us to take part.
13:56:00 Then
13:56:03 Agenda review with Kate.
13:56:06 Try it in a second.
13:56:09 Your team meeting with Apple Martine Point.
13:56:12 No point consultation meeting that the K. Talk now.
13:56:16 Then met with Ray, Talley and Sarah Millen discuss.
13:56:22 An employee issue, and then a bi-weekly with Mikey to talk about it.
13:56:27 Great.
13:56:29 Okay. The coming week.
13:56:34 Now, Kate or Heidi, you wanna Kate, are you prepared to to go.
13:56:39 Sure
13:56:42 All health dependent, of course.
13:56:47 Let's see, tomorrow. Have another consultation government with the point. No Point treaty council to finalize.
13:56:56 The agreements we discussed today and.
13:57:00 Of.
13:57:01 With.
13:57:03 Print.
13:57:05 Wednesday I will be at a State Board of Health meeting in Seattle all day.
13:57:10 We have a.
13:57:12 Period, some partnership special meeting in the middle of that day, too. So I'm not sure how I'll manage that Thursday back here for Board of Health Agenda, planning, meeting,
or Local Board of Health planning meeting.
13:57:27 And then.
13:57:29 I believe we have representative Kilmer coming on Thursday.
13:57:37 For a.
13:57:39 Reception.
13:57:40 Kind of. I think he's probably starting to make the rounds for his.
13:57:45 Starting to say his goodbyes. So I gotta.
13:57:49 Brief notification of it, but no details. But I'll I'll fill you in when I hear more.
13:57:55 Then agenda review with Mark's board meeting, and then Friday. Just have the.
13:58:03 Celebration of Bob Wheeler in the evening.
13:58:07 Great.
13:58:10 I'm of course, here with you today, and then tomorrow morning I have a meeting with.
13:58:17 Regarding Emergency response.
13:58:21 Then the afternoon. I have a Community foundation committee meeting.
13:58:26 And then we have our trust land, transfer, tribal consultation.
13:58:32 Special meeting at 3.
13:58:36 And then I have the Marine Resources Committee meeting in the evening and have.
13:58:40 Wednesday morning I have a community foundation gathering, and then I have the 5th board meeting.
13:58:49 At 10.
13:58:51 And then.
13:58:53 I have time.
13:58:55 Actually probably completely conflicts with.
13:58:58 Our incident management team. If anyone wants to go to that on Wednesday at 10.
13:59:05 But
13:59:06 I just got the agenda, so I can forward it. Okay.
13:59:11 And then.
13:59:13 Maybe my 1st occurrence of Barstowing for echo.
13:59:16 Wednesday evening.
13:59:19 At the hilltop.
13:59:22 Thursday I got an email that there's a gran short term rental legislative webinar. I don't know if you're planning on going to that, Kate.
13:59:29 I did share it with Josh, and he said he would send somebody from Dcd. So we've got coverage there. But it looked like it was going to be.
13:59:37 Interesting.
13:59:38 High level coverage of short term, rental policy.
13:59:41 Yeah. Do you know, if it was specific to Washington, or if it was.
13:59:45 Like legislative update. But I couldn't tell if it was like all States or.
13:59:50 That I couldn't either.
13:59:53 That guy who's giving it is awesome. He's so knowledgeable and.
13:59:57 I'm sure it'll be valuable.
14:00:00 Are you able able to go to that or not?
14:00:04 Remind me, I saw your your email, but I I didn't have time to check the timing against my calendar.
14:00:09 Thursday at 9.
14:00:11 9.
14:00:14 I I am available.
14:00:17 Yeah.
14:00:18 Seems like it might be something right up your alley.
14:00:21 Yeah, yeah, thank you. And we'll plan to attend.
14:00:23 Okay.
14:00:24 And then at some 10, I have a Peninsula's coalition meeting.
14:00:30 At Fen River are kind of local trail extension committee.
14:00:38 Then in the afternoon, at one we have our forestry monthly check-in with Mallory.
14:00:44 Have a community foundation event. That evening.
14:00:48 And on Friday I have the county fair.
14:00:53 At some point during the day, and also the Bob Wheeler, which I intend to be at.
14:00:57 And then the weekend is the county fair, of course, and our.
14:01:02 My trespass line project rankings are due on Friday as well. So, but I think I'm pretty much done with mine.
14:01:08 Great.
14:01:10 Thank you, Heidi. Let's see for me.
14:01:15 I have the Northwood Canal Chamber after we are done here today at 4, 30.
14:01:22 Oh, one thing I didn't mention on the update is I I think I said. I sat down with Philip and George Terry and
14:01:33 Christina Haworth, our our consultant, that is, kind of staff on the Master plan resort. You remember we we heard about the
14:01:41 The gravel leveling of the gravel
14:01:45 Platform. So the bus turnaround the bus turnaround like 7 acres. You know. Large enough that it is. I know exactly. You drive it anytime you go down one and just kind of real
high level. We talked about a couple of things and.
14:02:00 You know, there's a big the water management. Best management practices that need to get turned in. I've seen all of that. This was not part of their project. Initially, they
were going to deal with this when they did intersection improvements and everything far, much further down the line. So.
14:02:18 Tcd. Is looking at as a separate application and determining, you know, under Greg Ballard's administration.
14:02:26 Whether a permit is required for that separate from the other plan to slow it down. And you know the Dcd. Was kind of unaware that they wanted to do this until.
14:02:36 Honestly until we receive the public comment. It was so just it it kind of.
14:02:41 Came in, perhaps fed by something else, but they are looking at that particular.
14:02:46 Issue separate from the the Master plan. Resort
14:02:49 Waterman at some point.
14:02:51 That's probably enough of that, since we don't have a lot of time.
14:02:56 Tomorrow I'll have that shelter meeting with Bayside and Mark and Judy prior to the Shelter Coalition meeting to talk about the Roi, and then we're going to.
14:03:05 Propose that we have regular meetings with the kind of the contracted stakeholders that is the American Legion base. Probably Melanie Jackson from new life who are coordinating
the food and the county. So we'll have regular cadences for those meetings.
14:03:20 Tomorrow as well. Then I have the shelter meeting. Then I'm in.
14:03:24 Lunch with the planning Commissioner to talk about some South County issues. I'll be with you guys for the special meeting tomorrow at 3.
14:03:33 Then the second.
14:03:34 Empowered teams coalition with our new Coordinator, Mackenzie.
14:03:38 On Wednesday. I'll go to the It and directors meeting for this facility. Interested in that. And I'm interested in command meeting.
14:03:47 I'm just looking at high points. The.
14:03:50 Behavioral health consortium, Thursday afternoon.
14:03:53 Ltc.
14:03:54 We're gonna be trying to write a mission statement. Lt.
14:03:58 And then I will be running out to the Hook in Port Angeles for the celebration of the the recompute board with lots of people, and and just say we got 35 million dollars of
the 50 that we asked for. Unfortunately, the port of Port Townsend was one of the projects that they specifically ex excluded a a couple of projects rather than.
14:04:23 Projects. We are the only West Coast, I think. Kentucky, maybe, was the the nearest other project.
14:04:29 One of the most rural areas as well. So 6 got funded most for 20 to 30 million, I think one got funded for 40 million.
14:04:39 100 and 84 million, all told, is out the door as well as the boatyard expansion. They also trim the clown. Edc's North Olympic resource, innovation, or North.
14:04:50 And Rick.
14:04:52 Natural natural resource innovation center. Yeah, conflating that and that we compete.
14:04:56 So unfortunate. Both of those were really strong projects, but both have.
14:05:01 You know, some funding from other sources and other other avenues to pursue. So.
14:05:07 Like Glenn Co. Even the projects that didn't get capital funding. We're still gonna keep pushing for it. But there's a lot of work to do with.
14:05:14 Peninsula College and the boat school and and team, Jefferson, Edc. And Nodec. That's just it's gonna be.
14:05:21 Probably even more work than applying for the money to start spending it out. So we'll have more updates as those things hit the ground. But it's really.
14:05:31 We'll do, and I know that we're talking to Wendy Davis, too, and putting her in contact with the great recompute coordinator.
14:05:38 So yeah, that'll be a fun celebration. And then I will try to make it to the the Wheeler celebration as well.
14:05:46 And that's my week.
14:05:49 Mark. Can you do yours in 20 seconds so we can get to our 2 o'clock.
14:05:55 Senior management team and the shelter management Zoom Meeting. I might have to.
14:06:00 Jump off a half hour into that to attend the risk management. Maybe. Then.
14:06:07 Point, no point.
14:06:09 Treaty Council meeting with Kate mentioned, and then, of course, the special meeting with the Board.
14:06:14 And then I'm attending county energy audit session with.
14:06:19 4 o'clock.
14:06:22 November 7.th
14:06:24 It, directors meeting for the courthouse.
14:06:27 Look at board meeting at 10.
14:06:30 In a public sector.
14:06:33 Cabinet meeting in the afternoon.
14:06:35 And then meeting on Tyler, Epl.
14:06:39 Cost allocation.
14:06:40 And on Thursday, the 8th CEO breakfast at Edc.
14:06:46 Go to meet with Nicole Garcia from Jefferson transit to talk about paving their parking lot at the Visitor Center.
14:06:53 And.
14:06:55 At the gateway Visitor Center. The gateway Visitor Center got it.
14:06:59 And then the 4 streaming that Andy mentioned, and then a meeting with Moni and his staff to talk about road Fund liquidity.
14:07:07 Agenda Review with Kate, and then on Friday, the 9, th my regular meeting with Josh, and then meeting in the afternoon on.
14:07:14 Behavioral Health Advisory Committee, membership.
14:07:18 Great busy week.
14:07:19 Okay.
14:07:19 Can I just say the purpose for that meeting with Jefferson? Is that the
14:07:26 The straight shot bus would consider stopping.
14:07:31 Yeah.
14:07:40 Awesome.
14:07:30 At the visitor center, if it paved with the new roundabout. So it's it's really exciting. We might have another Jefferson transit could connect with the straight shot which
I've been hoping for for years. Yeah.
14:07:43 Yeah.
14:07:42 That would be fantastic. That's a great opportunity.
14:07:46 Okay. Now we're welcome. Samantha and Monty. We're back for the moments late.
14:07:58 So. Oh, my God! My neighborhood is so.
14:08:01 Jazz.
14:08:03 Lively lately. It's never perfect when you're digging up and building stuff right.
14:08:10 Do you want the usual backup? Oh, okay, it wasn't. It wasn't the sewer. Okay, not the super.
14:08:18 Do you know who it was?
14:08:20 I assume it was the work going on corner road prepping for the wash dot bridge.
14:08:28 They're moving the utilities.
14:08:30 Now I get.
14:08:31 And the mouse away.
14:08:33 Right.
14:08:35 Well, that makes sense, then that's my assumption. Do we want our
14:08:41 Our visual aid.
14:08:45 Can we grab? I can go grab the easel.
14:08:54 Alright!
14:09:05 Just a before Sam starts working with.
14:09:09 Telephone sector a lot on.
14:09:12 Incorporate any comments.
14:09:16 We received from these workshops on the connection we're working towards a.
14:09:23 What's going.
14:09:24 Change much, but just.
14:09:26 Clear language, so.
14:09:29 We will come back.
14:09:31 No more.
14:09:32 Done going all the way through the ordinance.
14:09:34 We'll come back with another workshop.
14:09:39 To.
14:09:41 About any updates we've made to it.
14:09:44 Based on these sessions.
14:09:47 And then talk about our next steps like.
14:09:49 Going down.
14:09:52 Special meaning. There.
14:09:54 Something.
14:09:55 Okay.
14:09:58 I just wanna get one of those sewer team
14:10:03 12 months after today I traded one of our golden
14:10:10 And that.
14:10:12 The box is out at the.
14:10:15 Pasta,
14:10:16 Job sites. So.
14:10:18 Stop by there and see if any are left alright. I mean I might have a golden toilet. I can go try.
14:10:26 Alright not pertinent, I know, but it looks good.
14:10:31 Comfortable.
14:10:35 Alright. Take it away, Sam. Okay, so we are just going to jump in where we I think we kind of left off. We're gonna start with the revenue part. So we went over fees a little
bit last time on both the residential and on the residential side. And so we'll jump into.
14:10:51 Where the revenue goes. In the operations, and this is our estimate. Which has been refined a little bit. As we move forward here. And so we're just gonna go down the line.
The top part is the initial er use which we talked about last time. It'll take for our connection map that I know everybody remembers in their sleep. It'll take us maybe 2 to 2 and
a half here to connect everybody on the.
14:11:16 Map.
14:11:16 And so we guesstimated what that first.st
14:11:20 Either use would be for the connection. That's what you see in the top middle column there and then. The top right is all the connections of people who are interested.
14:11:32 Or properties, I should say.
14:11:34 Then an expert is operation top right? 287 is who's interested? Yes.
14:11:43 Er use, equivalent residential units, 200 customers.
14:11:47 It's roughly.
14:11:50 Little bit less.
14:11:56 And so going on for annual budget is we're doing the operation and labor which includes the water reclamation plan as well as the collection system, and it provides our estimate
for wages, for those positions.
14:12:13 And the operators. The powers for the plants.
14:12:17 Excluding the grinder pumps. As you know, the grinder pumps are being paid by the property owner as the proposal.
14:12:23 Chemicals for the treatment plant.
14:12:26 Maintenance for tree implant and supplies lab testing. We are going to have our lab on site be accredited so we can do some of the testing.
14:12:36 On site. Can I just clarify something you just said the grinder. Pumps are being paid for by the property owner.
14:12:47 And then solids. Handling is the next part which we need to pick up on.
14:12:53 Our individual with the city of Fort Townsend, and then just other ovens that we have there to give an annual cost.
14:13:00 And then we have administrative fees to both the Pd. And ourselves for processing events and customer service, and.
14:13:10 Items like that. And I know a little bit. We talked about last time, replacement, reserve and also build up emergency reserve. Did you want to expand upon that either mark or
monkey guide who set the board approve.
14:13:27 $250,000 deposits into a new fund.
14:13:32 Or equipment, replacement and emergency reserve.
14:13:37 And hopefully we can afford to do that. I know this project is generating a great deal of sales tax revenue.
14:13:45 But then we also have 1 million in general fund money that we advanced.
14:13:50 The super fund to provide liquidity.
14:13:52 I think that that funds need for that money.
14:13:55 For construction is probably gone because you have to credit.
14:14:00 So.
14:14:01 That would be an option for populating.
14:14:04 The new fund as well, and and so that would not be an ongoing cost.
14:14:10 To the treatment.
14:14:14 But I ask is, do you? I mean like that? This includes the Pvds administration as well. Right? But that's going to be. And I guess that's part of the operation cost is their
administration.
14:14:25 So I'm just. I guess I'm really asking about Class 3 operator. I'm sure that that 50 K is.
14:14:31 You know.
14:14:32 Half or less than half of the the fte. Where does the rest of that.
14:14:36 Level 3 operators.
14:14:38 Time, bill.
14:14:39 Dear.
14:14:41 I would say.
14:14:43 That.
14:14:46 Well, 1st of all, I've been talking to the.
14:14:50 Beauties.
14:14:52 Director. We're working on the local, and the agreement is that.
14:14:57 The sewer would pay half of the group 3 operator and.
14:15:01 Qd. Would.
14:15:03 Use that person.
14:15:05 There!
14:15:06 Other needs.
14:15:10 Then there'll be staff, for you know.
14:15:12 Responding to call outsider pumps and things.
14:15:16 Bill.
14:15:18 Cost.
14:15:19 Based on whatever they put on their time sheets or have to respond, and then they'll be backup staff that.
14:15:26 Again.
14:15:28 He feels.
14:15:29 Are already there.
14:15:33 So.
14:15:36 The labor estimate is.
14:15:38 Possibly on the low side. In this.
14:15:41 But also the
14:15:45 The admin Jp. The Admin 64,000
14:15:50 Probably.
14:15:51 I based on what he's told me that.
14:15:53 Talked about billing.
14:15:55 You know, charging us $800 a month for billing services. So.
14:16:02 You know, overall. I feel like.
14:16:04 This.
14:16:04 Budget is in the ballpark, but the line items made.
14:16:08 The.
14:16:10 Higher, low in some places, but.
14:16:12 And I I would treat that.
14:16:16 We've talked about the equipment reserve and the emergency reserve being covered by.
14:16:22 Sales tax revenue from this project to build up a fund, but that still might be like contingency. So I mean, I do feel like it's probably
14:16:32 450 to 500,000 a year.
14:16:36 System to run.
14:16:41 Public works is in the county's gonna continue to handle new customer inquiries.
14:16:46 Means we have to have staff like the county, being paid for work, and then annual administrations, the whole thing pretty much our staffing for that afterwards is pretty much.
14:16:57 The Admin line.
14:16:58 Yep.
14:17:02 Insurance.
14:17:04 Don't see that here.
14:17:06 So that could be an additional cost.
14:17:11 Any other costs that are allocated.
14:17:14 Treasure, costs.
14:17:19 So.
14:17:21 Again. It's not unrealistic to think 500,000 a year.
14:17:26 Wanted to operate this sewer, this small sewer project.
14:17:29 That would.
14:17:33 Be in line with some of the other small sewers I've seen. It's really hard to get.
14:17:37 That information.
14:17:42 And I think later in this presentation, we talked about the amount of revenue generated by the number of use, and how much subsidy that would.
14:17:50 Generate, so.
14:17:55 So I'll leave that for now.
14:17:57 The 87,000 that's been covered by 5.th
14:18:00 Those.
14:18:02 So that's not a cost that has to be 2,000 of it will be yeah, right? Because it's 85,000. So.
14:18:14 So again. You know 4, 6,000 500,000 seems like a good.
14:18:20 And there's been so many eyes on this, making it different ways that are telling us.
14:18:25 It's gonna be.
14:18:28 It's hard to.
14:18:30 Exactly what.
14:18:31 Ask would be.
14:18:34 Great. Thank you.
14:18:36 I have a question.
14:18:35 Again. I don't.
14:18:38 Beauty.
14:18:39 And I've got. I need to call cabin again this way week, but they seem very interested and.
14:18:46 Fair what they're proposing to do to run this affordable for.
14:18:51 Users in the county. So that's it.
14:18:53 That's a good thing.
14:18:54 To to build on that.
14:18:56 You know the existing staff that they already have.
14:19:00 Bill system and everything. So we're not having to, you know.
14:19:03 Create, a.
14:19:05 We could, but.
14:19:07 More expensive, better to take the economy and scale that exists.
14:19:21 Kate, you had a question.
14:19:23 Hopefully.
14:19:23 Yeah, so
14:19:26 Mark you discuss the.
14:19:29 Possibility of.
14:19:31 Of funding those reserves. Are those the 2 included here? So if we were able to do that with that, then lower that annual operating budget.
14:19:43 Right, the the 45 6 for equipment, replacement, reserve, and the 50 for the emergency reserve.
14:19:51 Would come out of the annual operating budget because populating.
14:19:55 The new fund for equipment, replacement and emergency reserve.
14:20:00 Would would come from.
14:20:03 Either from new sales, tax revenue or from the 1 million, that we advance the super fund for liquidity purposes.
14:20:11 So that's significant.
14:20:13 Is.
14:20:17 That reduces the operating budget by like 95.
14:20:21 96,000.
14:20:23 Okay.
14:20:25 So does that actually.
14:20:28 Reduce the.
14:20:31 What the rate pairs have to pay.
14:20:35 Would reduce the subsidy required from the general fund.
14:20:37 And again I do that as.
14:20:39 Contingency money that could get easily absorbed by other costs that aren't shown here by insurance.
14:20:49 Right right? Because a riskful has not appraised the treatment plan because it's not yet built.
14:20:56 But they will eventually, and it'll be added to our property values and will increase our premium, which we will then pass on to the super.
14:21:07 Okay.
14:21:08 I made it through the 1st slide.
14:21:10 Yes.
14:21:11 Yes, we're going in second, there's other questions. Oh, let's move on. Grab the range. Okay, here we go.
14:21:18 So that this next slide goes over and breaks down. We talked a little bit about this last time as well. And what category? So far we're seeing the interest.
14:21:29 To make up the customer or eru volumes. So those are listed in the top in the green slides and or the green table.
14:21:39 And then we have the estimated revenue. We do have some in there, as you see, we're guesstimating low income versus
14:21:48 Paying for the base rates. And then we come out to the $369 per year.
14:21:56 And then that is compared to as of right. Now. We compared it to the 547,500 from the slide before.
14:22:05 And minus the 300,000. So roughly, 250,000 is what we're assuming right now. Take out the emergency reserve equipment, replacement, that subsidy streaks.
14:22:21 Substantially.
14:22:23 And then hopefully, we can afford more customers, too. Yeah.
14:22:29 Okay.
14:22:31 But does this factor in a gradual growth in.
14:22:38 People who were paying for sewer.
14:22:41 Like a year one. You're not gonna generate 300,000 in year one. No, we will not. Okay. This is, yes, this is, this is steady state after the call.
14:22:51 280. Our user.
14:22:59 Consultant.
14:23:00 Before she retired.
14:23:03 Ran a model that went for 20 years we've been at.
14:23:06 You know additional connections.
14:23:11 Annual increase in the fees, the annual increase in costs.
14:23:16 And you.
14:23:17 Trying to project out where.
14:23:20 Where, that.
14:23:22 Even pointless. Yeah.
14:23:23 It's way. Yeah, don't don't worry about that. And it might be something like 500.
14:23:31 At which point we'll need to add on the super treatment.
14:23:35 Well, right?
14:23:36 So we probably need to huddle about.
14:23:40 Put into it.
14:23:42 Budget for 2025.
14:23:45 Against the budget.
14:23:51 Any questions about the slide before we go to the next one.
14:23:54 Nope, Kate, of course, speak up. I can't always see you so just.
14:23:58 Unmute and speak up. If you have a question.
14:24:00 That was a quick slide. Yeah.
14:24:03 So the next one is some development charges.
14:24:06 And so these are collected at the time that somebody develops. We are not proposing to collect them.
14:24:13 With this initial startup, and also.
14:24:16 Within the slides bullets here. We're also using it as an incentive to defer system development charges for the 1st 3 years. So they would start in 2028.
14:24:28 And then phase in. From that point we have a 3,000 proposal for system development charges. So the 4th year would be a thousand dollars, the 5th year would be 2,000, and the
6th year would be 3,000, and at some point a new rate study would be done as we move forward with this project. So and that's just a little bit. So system development charges go. Once
they're paid, they go into the capital funds.
14:24:53 To our expenses.
14:24:54 And we talked about the deferral part.
14:24:57 System. Development charges remain with the property, they cannot be sold and bought and transferred.
14:25:04 You mean they stay with the property.
14:25:07 Few weeks bound on that a little bit. There's been some interesting ones, so.
14:25:13 When I I know it's a low local utility district. When you divide properties, you can divide through a process that goes to a board you can divide
14:25:25 The assessment that was put onto the property as well. This is not one of the system. Development charges is not a mechanism where you can.
14:25:34 Divide, or I want to move and then move it to a vacant property. It stays with the property that was originally given to. And can I ask paid for? So you were talking, I think,
last time we were together about if someone wanted to hook into phase one that was outside of the phase one, but they were.
14:25:52 They? And they, they're willing to, you know, develop a property put in the lines, or whatever pay for those.
14:25:59 Would that!
14:25:59 How would that hit this system development charge? It's deferred until 2028. So they'd be kind of no charge for that. They would just have to do the work. Basically, there would
be no charge if they.
14:26:15 Connected in the the 1st 3 years. That's a big incentive.
14:26:18 And hit it.
14:26:20 How far.
14:26:22 Could they be from.
14:26:24 The phase, one boundary.
14:26:28 Inside the overlay, I'm sure.
14:26:34 So as far as they have money to inside the uga. Yes, yes, but there's also.
14:26:41 The need for us to.
14:26:47 Determine whether there's capacity plan.
14:26:51 What they're proposing.
14:26:53 And what's already been proposed.
14:26:54 Area. We're at things like that. So.
14:26:58 Mean if you.
14:27:01 Run a line out to some massive development. This is hypothetical, because there's nothing like that.
14:27:07 Really possible and.
14:27:10 Or hat, lock, button.
14:27:12 You could eat up a bunch of treatment capacity, and then there'd be none left for habitat.
14:27:17 Or so, you know.
14:27:20 Later. So each.
14:27:21 Each application like that has to really be closely looked at. I mean.
14:27:26 Running sooner to a house is not a big deal. I mean, it's 1 youth, but that's.
14:27:32 It's a big investment.
14:27:34 Do for just one house.
14:27:38 There's been people in Chimicum asking me what if we could get the money to run a line to Chimicom.
14:27:45 Another.
14:27:46 5 million dollars worth of treatment, plan, infrastructure.
14:27:54 You know the capacity of the plant.
14:27:55 But it's not. It's not in the phase. One boundary.
14:28:01 Added to the earlier period. Through all process.
14:28:05 Mars. I mean, it's not.
14:28:08 That that could happen someday.
14:28:10 Growth patterns.
14:28:12 Plan support that.
14:28:15 So can I ask a separate question when it says deferred until 2020? So that means that if somebody.
14:28:23 Say this, someone buys a vacant house, someone who.
14:28:27 Has declined to hook up to the sewer.
14:28:29 But in 2027 sells their house, and the person who moves into that house wants to.
14:28:35 Hook up to the sewer, and their Sdcs. Will be covered.
14:28:39 Okay.
14:28:42 Well, it depends on. When you connect, you make that connection in 20.
14:28:48 28. You're gonna have to pay that.
14:28:50 Spc. Right, I was saying, before 28.
14:28:54 And for our.
14:28:57 Tabular folks on the left hand table. It kind of goes through the years, and we are assuming we are starting at the plan, of course. Yes.
14:29:07 That's what we are like. It's gonna be next week with the rate of construction and.
14:29:17 So this is a pretty.
14:29:20 And as I think, the next.
14:29:21 Slide, might even show pretty.
14:29:24 Pretty, generous policy, but.
14:29:28 The reason.
14:29:29 There's not.
14:29:31 By Sdcs right off the bat. I mean, you know, Carlsbor's 8,000 right now. Welfare. It's.
14:29:38 16,000 Bainbridge Island something in that neighborhood. I don't know what the city of Port towns it is right now. They tend to be. We're just hungry for people to do that.
14:29:50 Your this money is for.
14:29:53 Either pay, enough.
14:29:55 Get from construction.
14:29:58 Or for building a fund for future plan.
14:30:03 So we have no debt.
14:30:05 Because.
14:30:07 People who worked hard to get this project entirely through.
14:30:11 Brands. We have a small.
14:30:13 Low interest alone that's being paid off through so.
14:30:16 Starting up a small sewer with no debt.
14:30:18 Otherwise it wouldn't be happening.
14:30:21 Because you'd have to add that onto.
14:30:25 That.
14:30:27 User charge.
14:30:28 But you know there will be a need for expansion in the future.
14:30:33 And
14:30:33 You know these Sdcs. Will.
14:30:38 Come anywhere close to paying for a full tree.
14:30:41 Treatment plan expansion. But it's a.
14:30:44 It's recognition that, you know should be.
14:30:48 Planning for future capital.
14:30:51 And as the next slide shows, the sdks could be.
14:30:55 Much much higher.
14:30:59 They do actually. And and as it was mentioned before, it's also an incentive for.
14:31:05 Getting.
14:31:06 Obtaining our customers for the system. So this
14:31:10 I guess you just go to the orange. So you find us. We are the orange at year.
14:31:18 6. That would be the $3,000, and how we compare to our neighboring.
14:31:23 Cities and counties across the peninsula, and even off the peninsula with Bainbridge Island, which is at the very top.
14:31:33 And my brother just built them.
14:31:35 Rental house in Bellingham.
14:31:37 Combine waters to our Sdc. Is $25,000.
14:31:42 It says 20 in purple at the top. It says 2023 for sewer facilities, charges, and it says 3,000 for Port Hadlock.
14:31:55 Yeah. And then we would estimated that 6 years.
14:31:58 I guess the main point about is that in case people or jurisdictions increase their.
14:32:05 System development charges. It's just a moment.
14:32:09 Everyone else's 2023 charges got it.
14:32:18 Yeah, so, click.
14:32:21 I'm like.
14:32:22 That means that the county.
14:32:25 Online.
14:32:26 Heavily on.
14:32:30 Future grants for expansions. We did.
14:32:34 Very well.
14:32:35 With this initial construction and.
14:32:38 Need to do so again, to expand the plan.
14:32:41 Gotcha.
14:32:45 Okay, so we're gonna go walk through. Some of this will bring us back to our very 1st workshop, which I even forgot my paperwork for. But this walks through what the incentives
are for connecting our phase, one for area properties only.
14:33:01 So the counties we're paying, we're proposing and paying for on-site work.
14:33:07 As long as it's funded and adequate. I we have to keep reiterating that we want to hook everybody up, but we might not be able to. So and what that includes is the greater pump
connecting to the the control panel that drives the grainer pump.
14:33:24 And
14:33:27 The disconnecting and reconnecting the building, drain to the grinder pump.
14:33:30 The piping from the Grand out to the main line in the roads.
14:33:35 And then the decommission of the second tank itself, and then paperwork items not to forget application fees. We're recording the eas on properties.
14:33:46 And then we are also paying for the disconnect itself. And then we're proposing a.
14:33:53 Property owner reimbursement for up to $2,500 for the work that the property owner needs to do from their meter.
14:34:02 To the disconnect, so that in a nutshell is all of the incentives that we are providing in this, we're proposing to providing this phase. One area.
14:34:14 Lot of incentives.
14:34:18 And then the after the connecting is the low income program is a huge incentives, the phasing of the Sec program. And then also and I I didn't go over it very well. We also
are proposing a deferral of Sdc's for low income.
14:34:37 Housing programs as well. There's a section 13. 5. Regarding that, Sam was that you and Bob worked on that I think you.
14:34:48 Look at the city's program. There was discussions with habitat, but basically.
14:34:56 You're not waiving the Sdc. You're deferring it, and if the housing remains in.
14:35:03 I don't. Portable public type system for what is it? 20 years at that point.
14:35:10 For the overall becomes a waiver.
14:35:15 It's an incentive to.
14:35:18 Filled.
14:35:21 And keep me working. Yeah.
14:35:24 Because, you know, a hundred 50 units.
14:35:28 Even at $3,000 per year.
14:35:32 Really add up for Sbc's contract.
14:35:41 And so this is a flavor of other fees that are being adopted, as we may have spoken about before being adopted by a resolution in the fee and charges schedule and their hourly
fees, connection, application, fees, inspection fees. I'm sure you've seen these similar through Dcd, labor equipment and materials. For a labor.
14:36:06 Processing fee marine vessel holding tank discharge. We have a gallon rate.
14:36:12 Greater pump, damage.
14:36:14 Delinquent payments, and then recording fees.
14:36:18 And this is just not inclusive of every single fee, but just a few of the.
14:36:24 Probably more used once.
14:36:31 And that is the and the official facial end of our presentation, and just 3 workshops. We made it through your slide deck. That's great.
14:36:42 Come back like, I said, with another one to go, probably mostly over the connection policy.
14:36:49 Dcd.
14:36:52 Telephone sucker, I mean again.
14:36:53 It's not bad.
14:36:56 Change much from what you saw. It's just gonna be.
14:37:02 Clear language.
14:37:05 Not multiple references. In time, 18 and 13.
14:37:10 Have the chance of becoming with each other and stuff like that.
14:37:14 A lot of the questions and comments made by the Board.
14:37:19 Go back and read some.
14:37:22 And thank you for not bringing those half things back to us now. But wait until you add a few a full draft to to bring back through the PA's office. So I think that's great.
I see you're not asking for anything today, though, right.
14:37:35 There is a public comment period on the agenda, but both Kate still with us. She's got her screen off, and she's a little under the weather today. But I'll ask Kate Heidi if
you have any other.
14:37:44 Questions or comments. If people have individual property questions, they should just.
14:37:50 Contact. Yes, they have called the office so far, or emailed our padlocker email. And it goes the whole sewer team. What's the portal@co.jefferson.
14:38:10 Great.
14:38:14 Okay.
14:38:15 Well.
14:38:17 I really appreciate the process so far, and the ability to kind of weigh in when it's been thought about before. You know, we're.
14:38:22 At the hearing. So I I think this process has been great so far.
14:38:30 Go ahead!
14:38:32 I don't have any questions. Okay.
14:38:34 You have something to add, Monty.
14:38:35 I just.
14:38:36 Wondering if we could go back to.
14:38:40 Why?
14:38:41 They don't have to.
14:38:44 No background.
14:38:59 We talked about the $80.
14:39:07 Right should be selected.
14:39:14 You.
14:39:15 Okay.
14:39:22 Besides the connection policy which we talked about.
14:39:26 Coming back with who has to connect. And when most of this.
14:39:31 The meat of this ordinance boils down to.
14:39:34 What will people pay, and what will it cost to run the sewer? And so again, we're proposing.
14:39:40 $80 for a single family residence.
14:39:43 Yes.
14:39:45 Discounted for low income.
14:39:48 You could see where that.
14:39:51 Fits in with kind of the regional costs. There.
14:39:55 So I mean.
14:39:58 We're now looking for action from the Board today, but.
14:40:01 If the board was.
14:40:06 Concerns the amount of subsidy the county's going to have.
14:40:10 Operate steward. That's where you can affect that.
14:40:14 So I mean, I just came back to this because I think it's a really key.
14:40:18 Element of the whole sewer that this presentation is.
14:40:23 Is that number right there, and what it generates, what it costs to run.
14:40:28 So.
14:40:30 Didn't wanna.
14:40:32 Gloss, over that.
14:40:33 The.
14:40:38 Pick that as a.
14:40:39 No.
14:40:41 Reasonable.
14:40:43 Point, we thought to start.
14:40:46 Let's see, we're at.
14:40:48 Knowing that it would require county subsid.
14:40:51 But
14:40:53 And that was public works using all the information available to us. But.
14:40:59 About discussion.
14:41:01 Do we have an estimate of how long we we're gonna tolerate subsidizing at that rate.
14:41:07 Well, it'll it'll be.
14:41:08 Many years, but
14:41:12 Yeah, are you right?
14:41:13 As there's more and more connections hopefully that subsidy comes down, because.
14:41:18 Your cods go up.
14:41:20 Somewhat. You're holly more solids away.
14:41:24 Maybe you use it a little more power, maybe a little more chemical. But your fixed cost, you know you're not gonna really have to add more staff, just because.
14:41:33 50 more people.
14:41:35 You might get a few more calls, service, or something, but.
14:41:39 You know I would say that.
14:41:43 With any sewer.
14:41:45 Connections are the key. It's an economy and scale thing. Again, you know. The more.
14:41:51 Connections, the more.
14:41:52 Customers you have to spread through. So that's really.
14:41:57 That's really key.
14:41:59 Early in this process, couple of years ago we were talking about phases like a phase. 2 phase.
14:42:05 One B. And there is different naming conventions.
14:42:09 Is there.
14:42:10 Still thinking about.
14:42:12 Areas like the old alcohol plant and.
14:42:15 I mean they were. They were for a while on a map.
14:42:18 Sometimes that map shows up.
14:42:21 Yeah. So the server.
14:42:23 The sort of facility plan from 2,008 that was updated in 2021.
14:42:29 Hypothesize that the alcohol plant could be follow on to.
14:42:36 The core area and roadie drive would be a follow that, but doesn't mean it has to be that way. But those are.
14:42:43 Rodi Drive and.
14:42:45 Outball plan area. The 2.
14:42:47 Kind of.
14:42:51 Next phases that county would want to be thinking about. And it's.
14:42:56 It's planning, and it's.
14:42:59 Fund seeking, but.
14:43:01 We're so busy just trying to get.
14:43:04 This sewer built warrior. It's kind of hard to think about those futures, but we did put a dedicated line.
14:43:11 From the treatment plant.
14:43:13 Area to Ufc.
14:43:16 As well to Kibley Center for the future alcohol plant connection.
14:43:20 So that.
14:43:22 When that line is run they won't.
14:43:25 He's a someone would only have to go from.
14:43:28 If we send her down the highway.
14:43:31 To alcohol plan. But it's not. It's more than just a line. It's a full pump station that would be needed down the alcohol plan.
14:43:41 But at least you won't have to be digging up.
14:43:44 The shoulder of Nessus Road again to put a type in.
14:43:49 We also have a.
14:43:51 Not that that was. We have an extra line in that.
14:43:56 Could serve the roady area.
14:43:59 It's a question of.
14:44:00 How we would get there whether it would be on this corner road or.
14:44:06 Another route across the creek.
14:44:09 Major.
14:44:10 Barrier between the 2.
14:44:15 We were not able.
14:44:17 Or was the beauty able to get washed out to.
14:44:22 Any.
14:44:23 Utilities on their new.
14:44:25 Bridge that they're building.
14:44:32 For a variety of reasons, so that.
14:44:35 Remains to be seen. I think those conversations are yet, but anyway.
14:44:41 So there has been.
14:44:44 Bots to get your phases, and we're doing what we can to set ourselves up for that.
14:44:51 Also at the treatment plant we've.
14:44:54 Located stuff.
14:44:57 And actually Samantha and.
14:44:59 Our other team members.
14:45:03 Cost the fact that.
14:45:05 Our consultant had some stuff located where the logical expansion would be current treatment, so we.
14:45:14 Located some of those elements before they have put in, so that.
14:45:18 There would be.
14:45:19 Room to expand the treatment plant.
14:45:22 Extra conduits and things like that. Again.
14:45:27 Because.
14:45:29 We have people on our team that are paying attention.
14:45:33 How many Eru could the system has configured with the one Mbr.
14:45:37 Process.
14:45:39 500.
14:45:41 Type, 15.
14:45:43 Okay, so can.
14:45:44 One of these expansions is probably within the realm of.
14:45:47 Of that before.
14:45:51 I guess I think you know.
14:45:52 I'm thinking about swimming pools a lot, right? So thinking about that, Jimmy cream.
14:45:57 Jim Park area, and if and bringing bringing the sewer over there to the school district and park and and
14:46:05 So that's something that would be within the realm of possibility without getting a new. Another unit already.
14:46:10 I'd say habitat.
14:46:12 And.
14:46:14 System, as.
14:46:20 And I know I pointed out to one of those mvrits on sale cheap somewhere, I mean, can you just grab anyone off the government auction page and hold on to it.
14:46:29 Are they kind of specifically built? Okay, there's a reason. There's something.
14:46:35 Oh, really. Yeah.
14:46:37 Okay, I won't buy it, either. I was looking at it, too.
14:46:44 Big nods to affordability and.
14:46:53 Building within our means and.
14:46:57 You know, as we started the design process, we didn't have money that we have today. When you're gonna get it. If you're gonna get it. You have no guarantees. You're designing
to
14:47:10 Yeah, value engineering. You don't even have.
14:47:13 People telling you, it's gonna be really hard.
14:47:17 Almost impossible to get that kind of money. And then suddenly.
14:47:22 Covid hits. And there's all this infrastructure money suddenly that haven't existed for the last 20 years. But we've been working on it so.
14:47:29 But even at that we're.
14:47:33 Miss Sam mentioned, we.
14:47:35 Are going to be able to hook up.
14:47:38 Many. Maybe the word is most of the.
14:47:41 Customers that want.
14:47:43 Connections in the core area. But I mean, we're pushing limits.
14:47:46 We've gotten some great bids from our local contractors.
14:47:50 Were you guys pretty happy with the grinder pump contract? You're saying that the Mvr. Has capacity for 500.
14:48:02 But on the slide.
14:48:05 Couple before this. I think there was 2, 38.
14:48:10 2 87.
14:48:12 So.
14:48:13 There's still room.
14:48:15 There is, but, you know, 150 units of habitat.
14:48:22 100 and 50 are used because some of them are multi. Yeah, it could be there could be 100 er users.
14:48:29 90 right there and then a swimming pool is.
14:48:33 So that's not in this number.
14:48:35 Habitats, not in this number. This is existing.
14:48:39 That's interesting.
14:48:44 Water use to eliminate irrigation water use like that.
14:48:51 Do we have an estimate of habitat er use.
14:48:54 We can't. 150 units, say point 7, you know, could be 100.
14:48:59 Er.
14:49:02 Swimming pool. I think.
14:49:05 Somewhere I have in my mind looking at the.
14:49:08 Maybe it was the windy pool, or something was like 30.
14:49:13 You know something like that.
14:49:15 So yeah, there's there's capacities.
14:49:19 Unlimited.
14:49:22 And it is surprising, you know, because.
14:49:29 All the years talking about.
14:49:33 There weren't all these.
14:49:35 Big plans happening, and then soon as we start building, everyone's got a big plan.
14:49:41 I know that happens. Yeah. Funny how that happens. So
14:49:44 I think we.
14:49:45 Right, sized.
14:49:47 We were 2 years ago, we were worried about having enough flow, even. Yeah. But we would be able to really plan it.
14:49:58 Those are the conversations Bob and I were having with folks. If we can get enough use.
14:50:06 So.
14:50:08 It will need to be expanded. It's set up for expansion, but it.
14:50:14 They all.
14:50:15 You know, 5 million dollars and.
14:50:17 Additional.
14:50:18 Mbr screens, headworks and things like that to run a parallel unit of the.
14:50:27 Pond, which isn't really a pond area for.
14:50:33 I say, replayed, water is.
14:50:36 Certainly big enough.
14:50:39 It's it's as big as we could sit on that piece of property, and there.
14:50:46 So that's good.
14:50:48 Okay.
14:50:49 Well, not that it's on our radar and in our in our plans, but I know that Jim is interested in being.
14:50:56 Including the school, but some of the businesses in that.
14:50:59 Jimic and Core are.
14:51:01 Noodling over how to get the septic to do what they need to do, and.
14:51:09 There's not even the area to build the drain fields that some of those businesses need just to.
14:51:14 Meet like their current demand. They're grandfathered in that really low.
14:51:19 So.
14:51:21 Right.
14:51:21 I don't know if we'd ever do anything there like that, but.
14:51:25 Would be cool.
14:51:28 Alright, Kate! Any last thoughts or questions.
14:51:32 She!
14:51:32 So.
14:51:33 I'm I'm listening. Sorry. I'm having a hard time staying upright.
14:51:39 No, I I think this
14:51:42 I'm excited for the public meetings. Start getting some.
14:51:48 Feedback,
14:51:50 And.
14:51:50 I guess maybe I would ask public works to coordinate with us, knowing that, you know. Probably each one of us will want to attend one of those meetings.
14:51:58 Be great to coordinate dates, if possible.
14:52:01 Yep.
14:52:03 Think our idea was to.
14:52:08 Potentially do a.
14:52:10 Like a special meeting of the Board, or something. Yes.
14:52:13 To roll through.
14:52:15 Cleaned up in final version of this presentation. Maybe.
14:52:19 Fair enough done in a meeting or something, and
14:52:22 And we could do more than one of those, but, you know, like evening or something. But.
14:52:28 There just seems like a.
14:52:31 Efficient, better way to run through something like an ordinance.
14:52:36 Rather than.
14:52:39 And then, you know, there's there's opportunity for public comment.
14:52:46 Think I can.
14:52:47 Yeah, they could be.
14:52:50 I mean, there's other ways to do. It is.
14:52:52 Well, it's hard to bring people out for.
14:52:56 Discussion about.
14:52:58 Sometimes.
14:52:59 Other times.
14:53:02 And we have had lots of meetings on one basis with property owners. Id.
14:53:06 Hmm.
14:53:08 To be.
14:53:11 But yeah.
14:53:12 So I guess what I'm saying is we fully intend to coordinate one way or the other.
14:53:19 Kind of future.
14:53:20 Feelings.
14:53:22 Excellent, probably helpful.
14:53:24 Have you started?
14:53:26 As your team started to think about some, I mean some of the.
14:53:30 Properties of the phase. One boundary are going to be complicated.
14:53:34 Site Development.
14:53:37 Long driveways.
14:53:39 Yeah.
14:53:40 Yes.
14:53:40 So
14:53:43 How we're tackling them now.
14:53:46 Aside from.
14:53:47 Stage, one.
14:53:49 Which will hopefully be awarded today.
14:53:53 Stage 2. We started from our maps here and are targeting the remainder of the.
14:54:00 Commercial properties, so.
14:54:03 Property. 1 16 on the maps was shown. Stage 3. It'll actually be done in Stage 2. That's
14:54:11 Joel and Cotton, because it's.
14:54:14 Close, commercial, industrial.
14:54:16 Place and then. So we're working on those preliminary designs. Currently, touch will be out on Wednesday with the electrical team to go over one of the properties that we need
a little bit more.
14:54:31 Electrical involvement in. So we will be going over that property on Wednesday.
14:54:36 With Tetrahes, electrical engineer. And then once we get Stage 2 going, we hopefully, you'll see a contract for another engineering firm. We have to go over wooden boat and
be in our will be our next 2 bigger ones.
14:54:51 And then we're gonna keep.
14:54:53 Going with Stage 3 and 4, and narrowly we do the preliminary designs in house.
14:54:59 I'm John Black and Gray. Go out and look at all the properties and do the culinary, and then we hand them over to our designer, and it's been going.
14:55:08 Very well. So that's kind of how we're approaching them as we move forward.
14:55:13 Licensing.
14:55:17 Alright!
14:55:17 So when you see John at your house, you know you're up. Did you go to my my husband said. 2 people came walking down the street the other day. Okay, yes, Greg and I and Greg
and I went around the neighborhood to let people know we were coming into the neighborhood.
14:55:34 With with the collector lines. Yeah.
14:55:37 Remember, people had questions about where their steps were, so it kind of turned into dual purpose meeting.
14:55:43 That's good. It's good.
14:55:44 I hope maybe didn't move or stick around someone who doesn't have a stick, who might want to stay based on where.
14:56:05 They're based on what was bid out in the collection. No, but I mean what.
14:56:11 Why are they located where they are?
14:56:14 Some of them were popular, and some of them we knew septic information, so we put them where we thought they might need to go.
14:56:19 Some of them were at the. We wanted to make sure every property had one, so we put it on the plan, and then we could move it later. So there's a variety of.
14:56:30 Do you guys use water at all?
14:56:32 Like the dowsers when they were doing the fiber. We had, you know, like the people came out to track the lines, and then, when the like. The manager of the contractor came out.
14:56:41 He was there with like a little, you know.
14:56:44 Wish phone thing like a water witch in the with the lines. I don't know. So they're a scientific basis. And it was a very. It's very productive. Well, we had someone.
14:57:07 On someone else that how about over there? And that was fine.
14:57:12 Did it work for you, Sam.
14:57:15 Say I'm at. Say it did work for you when you.
14:57:17 Yes.
14:57:17 Yeah.
14:57:18 An irrigation.
14:57:20 A long time ago. Yes, I had contracted to find irrigation lines through farms.
14:57:24 Yeah.
14:57:25 Nice.
14:57:27 To.
14:57:27 I did it once, and it was. It was amazing, I mean, like the you know, feeling that movement. It was so strong. There was like.
14:57:34 No way. That's.
14:57:35 I was, you know, making them move. Really interesting.
14:57:40 Same name with me. Anne Boards.
14:57:42 Wait. That's not scientific. That's.
14:57:47 Just following up on Mr. Eisenhower's question about.
14:57:50 Lots that are difficult to access. I would say that
14:57:54 That's 1 of the upsides of the system we're using the grinder pumps. The pressure is that you can.
14:57:59 Again. You can.
14:58:02 Get to existing infrastructure.
14:58:05 Without worrying about grade.
14:58:09 Make these flexible 2 inch lines through stuff around stuff.
14:58:15 You know.
14:58:19 Sewer, layout would drive.
14:58:21 How development happens. But we already have the development. So development is trying to have a sewer lines happen. And this is.
14:58:28 Particularly well suited for.
14:58:31 You have an area that's.
14:58:33 Largely built out. This, you know, and again.
14:58:36 Septic systems are often out the back of the building, whereas traditional lines should be out the front of the building towards the street, so.
14:58:46 That's 1 of the upsides. Again. There's pros and cons of both systems. But.
14:58:52 We were able to get to some of these difficult places.
14:58:56 Pool properties are probably some of.
14:59:00 Complex to serve. But we've already we have a left station. Huh! Right? We've already acquired a bunch of the easements from them needed to make that happen.
14:59:11 Because those lines won't be just serving them, but also other properties down there. So coming up behind school, then up to Curtis Street
14:59:21 How that's happening.
14:59:24 So pretty, complicated, but.
14:59:28 And yes, and each of the properties is its own little project. So I would say.
14:59:33 The line is flexible within reason.
14:59:36 There may be vegetation that does need to come out to put your mind. So I just, I do want to paraphy. Once we get a residential property impaired people's expectations.
14:59:47 Keeping everything.
14:59:50 Just as it is.
14:59:52 Because you also have to get equipment in there doesn't magically go underground.
14:59:58 So so.
15:00:00 Yeah. So I just I just wanna make sure that.
15:00:03 But, archaeologically speaking, in a hundred years, when someone's digging up our streets and saying, Why are these sewers going all over here? They'll be able to understand.
Development pattern happened first, st and we can leave a time, Cap. We might find some cool stuff.
15:00:20 We may so, but yes, so we try to accommodate where we can.
15:00:24 And it's a 2 inch line that is going to go on to people's properties. But there are boxes for clean outs, for checks.
15:00:32 Or not.
15:00:33 Small.
15:00:33 And how deep.
15:00:36 We're running between 5 and 3 feet.
15:00:40 42.
15:00:42 The one there and then the whole for your grinder pump is.
15:00:45 Significant. That same to. We have a base of 92.
15:00:51 Not wanted to go in there.
15:00:53 Okay, well, thanks. Obviously, we're fascinated by the topic and excited to, you know, be turn the dir over. And and really making this happen. So thank you guys for this work
on the ordinance.
15:01:05 Comments.
15:01:06 Alright. Thank you. It is. It is there! We'll open it now for public comment. If anyone would like to speak to the sewer ordinance that we've been discussing today. You can
hit the raise hand button or star 9. If you're on the phone.
15:01:17 And we'll bring you on over.
15:01:24 Really.
15:01:26 Make one more call. Anyone that would like to make public comment would love to hear from you, raise hand button or star 9. If you're on the phone.
15:01:32 Yep.
15:01:34 Fun questions for experts in the room. Your opportunity, experience all sorts of things. I think that would be legitimate public comments since we talked about it. Yeah, but
no, okay. I'll close public comment and and thank you guys for your time and your work. And we will look forward to communications about the next step. Whether it's a special meeting,
I think we can accommodate.
15:01:54 Something that makes it convenient to make sure we can get.
15:01:56 Good public interface, at the same time, or digging into that ordinance.
15:02:02 Some are larger than this. So yeah, probably.
15:02:05 Some are larger than this.
15:02:08 Do you have any other public works? Question there something.
15:02:12 It's fine. Or is that stuff you wanna touch base with me off.
15:02:15 I you know I was. I just heard about it late last week. But there, there is talk about coordinating with a you know, a welcome to the Olympic Peninsula in that Paradise Bay
roundabout. Yeah, love to bend your ears, and I've got a a just was invited this morning to visit the polls, Bo one. So if if you or someone from public works would like to go.
15:02:39 I.
15:02:41 Strongly caution about anything that needs maintenance like landscaping or something.
15:02:45 And that's what they were talking about is conduit for irrigation and stuff like that.
15:02:55 And it's.
15:02:56 It's a freeway.
15:02:58 Yeah. I mean, you see, like from the city does maintenance on the roundabouts. What it takes.
15:03:06 Nice like.
15:03:07 Work.
15:03:08 Pretty challenged to even maintain the intellect. Payroll as it is.
15:03:13 Yeah.
15:03:15 Well make sure to include you in the conversation.
15:03:17 Acid.
15:03:22 So like, as Heidi said, it might be easier to put it on a Dnr partial or something just off the road that.
15:03:32 Start talking about.
15:03:34 Landscaping.
15:03:36 Maintenance, like landscaping.
15:03:37 Wandering.
15:03:47 Bundled.
15:03:49 Sure.
15:03:50 Appreciate that.
15:03:51 Discussions.
15:03:52 Any other public works. Questions. Monty opened the door.
15:03:57 How do you feel?
15:03:57 No just tribes were involved in the one in Paulsbo. At least it looks like it.
15:04:04 And.
15:04:05 Could be potentially another funding source if they were interested in having some signage.
15:04:13 Pull tribes.
15:04:12 Big piece of art? Yeah, yeah.
15:04:18 Cool. Okay. Well, great.
15:04:19 Thank you, Samantha. Thank you, Monty.
15:04:22 I mean at some point we'll need to ask them about the pool.
15:04:25 About the pool.
15:04:28 Planning a pool and back. You can ask them now.
15:04:34 He laughs.
15:04:35 No, no.
15:04:39 Well, I mean that.
15:04:41 Whole task force is proposing or.
15:04:42 Seems to be leaning towards a portary location.
15:04:46 For a swimming pool. Aquatic facility.
15:04:50 Got got check on that.
15:04:53 Yeah. And that's that's the, you know. When they looked at sites they we looked at
15:04:59 3 sites, several, most of them in the phase, one sewer area, one of them out of the phase, one sewer area. So that's why I was asking about.
15:05:05 Connecting Jimic Park, which really came out of a conversation.
15:05:09 Bob Wheeler, as he was kind of helping me think these things. But
15:05:14 Your question is generally good to have a pool on our new septic system, or is that, like nutrient deficient water, a challenge for a big for a small sewer system.
15:05:28 We looked into that a little bit and thought it was. It was okay.
15:05:34 Generally when you drain, you don't do it to the sewer system.
15:05:40 Storm grain around Water Pond, or something, and they.
15:05:44 Neutralize chlorine before they do that, we discovered.
15:05:49 So really.
15:05:52 Effluent you're looking at from a center is going to be locker room, which is no different than any other.
15:05:58 Well, it's a lot of showers, but it's bathroom, which is.
15:06:04 I'm gonna guess.
15:06:07 Easier to treat than kitchen ones. Yeah.
15:06:11 More predictable, so.
15:06:15 Bank.
15:06:16 The flows. We're.
15:06:19 Somehow I got the number that was equivalent about 30, our use or 35 er use, or something like that which.
15:06:27 Again, we need that information. But the system has capacity.
15:06:34 For it. So from a sewer standpoint.
15:06:40 Seems doable.
15:06:44 There's many other things to think about.
15:06:49 I went to the.
15:06:51 Was invited to go to that.
15:06:53 Task force that you myself would be presenter. Hmm!
15:06:59 And I thought, the information he had that meeting.
15:07:06 Obviously there's a wealth of knowledge, and of course they're doing Arizona.
15:07:11 Large, outside, septic, some sort of.
15:07:13 It's large.
15:07:16 But if you can do it on septic.
15:07:20 Like ours, for sure.
15:07:30 Doesn't take the cost down a lot to do it on sewer versus loss.
15:07:34 I mean the the South would be. It's a million 9 for the septic, a large onsite septic as well as a significant delay. Then 3 years to permit it through the Department of Ecology.
So I think there's both time time savings as well as well. I don't know how much would it cost to to bring the sewer over.
15:07:52 If the property were.
15:07:55 In the core area where we've already run sewer lines. Then.
15:07:59 And talking and power and grinder, but.
15:08:05 Station. You're looking at.
15:08:08 I mean I don't.
15:08:09 People PIN me down if I say so. Yeah, you don't say no magnitude. 100.
15:08:15 1,200, you know. I mean, let's say, seems.
15:08:20 Reasonable.
15:08:22 We were just collection, not for the conveyance.
15:08:26 Yeah, for the for the economy structure and the pipes already get done.
15:08:33 And NASA's former rotor. Oh, it's already.
15:08:37 If you're talking about a site where you know.
15:08:43 It's on how far away that.
15:08:45 I think that is from the area that we're currently serving.
15:08:50 How do you get there from there.
15:08:51 I know.
15:08:52 There's been discussion on property.
15:08:56 Is it in the pro area? But that's a.
15:09:01 To get file.
15:09:03 On the other side of the creeks get fairly expensive there, but there's.
15:09:08 And it's also State highway, right?
15:09:13 And she's.
15:09:19 Yeah, I mean, there's.
15:09:20 We could.
15:09:22 Talk, about.
15:09:24 Other.
15:09:25 Opportunities. You want to call it, like, you know, running a parallel line to irrigate Carroll Fields with.
15:09:32 If I say waste water is part of that same.
15:09:36 After I run a sewer line over to that.
15:09:38 Area or something. But again, we're talking.
15:09:43 Something that.
15:09:44 Okay.
15:09:45 Easily dollars.
15:09:50 Or maybe even 2 or something, but.
15:09:53 But would have.
15:09:55 Some pretty good benefits, too.
15:09:57 Right. And you're talking about 1.9 million dollars.
15:10:02 Large onsite septic for the South would be projects.
15:10:07 Maybe for that kind of money.
15:10:10 Your connection.
15:10:12 Yeah.
15:10:14 Feel like to think about. There's no site that's been selected for us.
15:10:17 Noodling on sewer, noodling, on sewer opportunities.
15:10:23 Cool. You haven't heard anything about the Poc. Whether.
15:10:27 Planning, on changing anything.
15:10:30 I haven't.
15:10:32 Didn't that.
15:10:34 Wasn't there some delay?
15:10:36 And finalizing that.
15:10:41 Okay.
15:10:44 Great so well, we could probably keep talking all day long, you know. But appreciate, you guys, time and all the work on this. I know that it's it's.
15:10:52 Big big book of work.
15:10:53 Yeah, I can. It's hard to.
15:10:56 Blue sky, thinking it's hard to put a Sam and others are doing.
15:11:02 Instruction going on.
15:11:05 Yeah.
15:11:07 Appreciate. You guys.
15:11:10 Are you gonna take your giant map this time. Okay, you can leave it here. Okay, good.
15:11:23 And could we consider the quotes.
15:11:27 Yeah. Did a letter come in?
15:11:29 Okay.
15:11:28 It did at least.
15:11:30 Some language.
15:11:34 So.
15:11:36 I think we were all originally.
15:11:40 The correspondence from the Quinults.
15:11:44 Federal lobbyist and.
15:11:45 So I'm not sure if any of you have any other information, or have had contact with them, that.
15:11:52 That I that I'm not aware of.
15:11:54 Have you, Greg?
15:11:57 Okay, great. So,
15:11:59 The.
15:12:01 Quan reached out through their lobbyist to us. To request.
15:12:06 That we issue a.
15:12:08 Letter of non-protest to a.
15:12:12 Transfer that Congressman Kilmer is proposing.
15:12:17 This would.
15:12:20 Provide land that used to be reservation land of the canal, but that was at some point sold off to private owner.
15:12:30 The property was.
15:12:32 Meant to be. They must have.
15:12:37 Submitted a request to be able to harvest the property. I'm not sure, through Dnr. Or what. This is quite historic. At this point and it was found to be old growth habitat for
Spotted Owl, so they were not allowed to harvest it.
15:12:51 And it ended up in
15:12:54 Ownership of the Forest Service. And now Congressman Kilmer is interested in.
15:13:00 Helping the tribe. Get that land back from the Forest Service and they have asked us to write a letter of
15:13:11 Either support or no objection.
15:13:15 So. I do have additional background information if that would be helpful. So again, it's it's old growth. The tribe would not be harvesting it.
15:13:25 It is part of an effort to of the Quan to get number of their former reservation lands back.
15:13:34 So happy to.
15:13:36 Give, provide more information. I I have sent to you, and also John Loving sent to you some additional background information.
15:13:44 Or I could share the.
15:13:47 Non opposition language that was sent to me.
15:13:51 And I don't know. Heidi, did you have a chance to review the Pdfs that were sent out with lunch hour? 72 acres, one parcel right off 101, and I think Kate.
15:14:06 Represented it. Well, I mean so I I don't.
15:14:09 I feel like I have sufficient background to start looking at a letter. Yeah.
15:14:15 So here is the language that they have requested. Very simple.
15:14:38 And it's right off of 1 0, 1.
15:14:42 But they just.
15:14:44 They intend not write off, I mean, look so there's 1 on one. So it's that 1157.
15:14:49 Yep.
15:14:50 It's it's awesome, really, I guess, and everything yellow is tribal land.
15:15:03 Probably a legend at the bottom.
15:15:08 There's yeah.
15:15:11 QIN.
15:15:13 Phenomenal.
15:15:15 Oh, yeah, yeah, right?
15:15:16 It was.
15:15:17 Okay.
15:15:20 Yeah. It's an holding.
15:15:22 Totally makes, totally surrounded.
15:15:24 Oh, it works the way.
15:15:27 I didn't see why. There.
15:15:29 5 point.
15:15:32 Just this bit here.
15:15:33 I don't know what the Y is.
15:15:40 Okay. Well, I mean, that is.
15:15:43 Pretty innocuous.
15:15:46 Yeah.
15:15:46 Yeah.
15:15:47 So. I'll make a motion that the Jefferson County Board of Commissioners sends this letter to.
15:15:56 President Capon, am I saying that correctly.
15:16:00 Not sure.
15:16:03 Apparently it's the new tribal President for the Quan Indian nation.
15:16:06 Who I've not met.
15:16:08 I haven't met them either.
15:16:10 I'm happy to second.
15:16:14 Alright this, since this is not on our agenda, I will open up before we take action on this to anyone in the public. Anyone that would like to make public comment on this letter.
We are considering.
15:16:27 To support the penalty nations that this land trade.
15:16:33 Raise your hand, you can hit the raise hand or star 9 if you're on the phone. If you'd like to comment on this letter before we sign it.
15:16:38 Or agree to sign it.
15:16:42 Make one more call for public comment.
15:16:45 Hit the raise hand button or star. 9.
15:16:49 Okay. Seeing no hands, I will close public comment. What they intend to do with it. Did you say? Sorry if I miss that.
15:16:57 Yeah, let's see. Sorry I just close that document.
15:17:04 Take me a second. Here.
15:17:08 The Kunal Indian plans for allotment 1157.
15:17:12 The quotes people consider this land a sacred place that must be protected and maintained for the next 7 generations and longer. Qian will never commercially log. The land allotment
1157 has remnants of cedar sticks and other debris left in place by ancient carvers to safely slide canoe halls into the Salmon River.
15:17:33 Oh!
15:17:34 Once we regain ownership of the land, we'll be able to take members to the site to teach them how our ancestors work to preserve our culture and heritage.
15:17:42 The quenal nation plans to utilize this land as a living museum for educational purposes, where students and college in learns will learn how to preserve other historical places.
15:17:53 Yeah, I would jump up and down and supporting that.
15:17:57 If you want me to. Do, you want me to jump and down, Kate.
15:17:59 I'm certainly not going to today. So thank you.
15:18:02 And that may have been done. Bullying support.
15:18:07 Alright! With that I will call the question all in favor of us authorizing and signing this letter of support, or at least a non objection indicate by saying, Aye.
15:18:18 Aye! Hi!
15:18:20 Okay, that motion passes. Thank you for bringing that, Kate.
15:18:23 Sure I'll send it into office staff to have formatted for our signatures.
15:18:27 Great. Thank you. And we is that pretty? They need to get that asap. Is this another quick one?
15:18:34 Yeah, there. Apparently I don't. There's some miscommunication. They were expecting one of us at the reservation today.
15:18:42 Carolyn talked.
15:18:43 They're state lobbyist, and I was like
15:18:49 Right.
15:18:46 I don't think any of us would have planned to come on a Monday.
15:18:50 So.
15:18:52 Hey!
15:18:52 Yes, I'm not sure.
15:18:53 What happens.
15:18:55 Okay.
15:18:56 Kate, would you like to to have us a fix? Your digital signature first? st
15:19:01 And then Greg and Kate, how do you sign.
15:19:06 Sure. Yeah, just in case I'm
15:19:08 I'm planning to come in tomorrow. But just yeah, maybe.
15:19:11 Good to not wait on me in case I don't feel well. Tomorrow.
15:19:17 Thanks.
15:19:17 Okay.
15:19:19 Is that for the whole packet, or just for this? Is there? What else is time? I would have asked that to? Yeah, I mean I can do it approve for all the consent agenda items.
15:19:28 Unless you plan on being in here to sign physically.
15:19:34 Yeah, I just don't know how I'm gonna feel tomorrow. And then I'm in.
15:19:38 In scale.
15:19:37 No worries we use. We'll just do it now.
15:19:40 Okay. Thanks.
15:19:43 Okay? Well, it is 3, 20. We have a timed item on our agenda talking about the open space tax program. Oh, Gotcha, yes.
15:19:56 I also wonder about the radio show. I feel very out of touch.
15:20:00 Yeah, I was thinking about emptied. Let's see, let's open up. The old spread festival season's almost over.
15:20:29 He was doing where they, I can find preempt.
15:20:36 7.
15:20:38 Hmm.
15:20:39 But last week was the last preemption. So yes, we have, and we are unscheduled. But someone should go in this Friday.
15:20:47 I'm available this Friday.
15:20:51 Groups.
15:20:54 It, down.
15:20:56 You know who you're gonna bring it all.
15:20:58 No, I was thinking it'd be good to have Dr. Barry just that this.
15:21:03 And.
15:21:03 Covid and thinking about fall vaccine. But who knows? I you know I don't know who's available.
15:21:08 Friday and summertime.
15:21:10 How sick you are, too! You don't want to go on the radio with Dr. Barry hacking up alone, or anything.
15:21:15 I don't know. I mean.
15:21:16 Kind of, you know.
15:21:18 Subject, appropriate.
15:21:20 It.
15:21:21 That's 8 9 is Kate.
15:21:29 The 16.th
15:21:33 And.
15:21:39 Okay. Let's see.
15:21:46 Putting back in my calendar.
15:21:51 I'm available on the 16, th if we need it. If we need one.
15:21:55 We do need one, and let me look at the 23.rd
15:22:04 Yeah, I can do the 23.rd
15:22:11 And then move.
15:22:11 I cannot do the 30.th That's a bad, tough one.
15:22:15 Friday before Labor Day cater you around on August 30.th
15:22:19 Yeah.
15:22:20 Alright!
15:22:23 Okay. And for 8, 30.
15:22:28 And then 1 6, that I have a conflict on the 6.th
15:22:36 And I can do the 6.
15:22:41 Friday, the 13.th I'll be in.
15:22:44 Those, the.
15:22:45 Sanctuary meeting.
15:22:47 Sure you will.
15:22:49 Friday, the 13.th
15:22:50 I can do that.
15:22:54 Oh, wait! Sorry. I'm not looking at the right date.
15:22:59 I'm supposed to be in Seattle.
15:23:02 That day, but I.
15:23:03 I could do it virtually.
15:23:05 Hmm.
15:23:06 It's not great.
15:23:08 Great.
15:23:10 For you.
15:23:12 It's, you know.
15:23:13 It's open for me. We can. We can pencil me in, and if someone else comes up with something.
15:23:20 I'm always, you know.
15:23:21 Friday, the 13.th I don't know why.
15:23:24 The the Dj. OP. Opportunities are great. I will say. Dj. Was after me last time when I did my kind of.
15:23:36 Huh!
15:23:29 Ad hoc! Hear the songs that I'm learning that he wanted to see more disk spinning from the commissioners. So he said, you know.
15:23:39 Throwing like. Glove the gauntlet down for you guys.
15:23:42 Well, he's got.
15:23:43 The Taylor, the station manager, who doesn't want that.
15:23:47 Oh, well, that's why you talked to, you know a Co. Host.
15:23:53 I can't do the 20th of September, but I can do the 27.th Kate, can you do the 20.th
15:24:00 Yeah, I've got the coordination meeting, but it seems like one of us often has to leave that early, anyway.
15:24:05 But we're not all there, right.
15:24:08 Right.
15:24:09 This time.
15:24:11 Take care!
15:24:11 It's all right.
15:24:13 Alright. Okay. And then I'm at a straight meeting that day, 9 27, you guys plan things. On Friday. I was trying to plan anything on Friday.
15:24:21 9, 27, 9, 27 eighty's.
15:24:27 Calling it out, Yeah.
15:24:31 Only turns 31 s. Right.
15:24:34 Okay.
15:24:35 That's probably far enough to the end of September, save this. That's something I usually forget to do.
15:24:41 And you guys can always access that on IP drive.
15:24:45 Yeah, okay, I think she's here.
15:24:48 Okay.
15:24:51 Okay.
15:24:54 Oh, man, I got away. I got away with just 2.
15:24:56 I have a lot of things on Fridays.
15:24:59 Yeah. Well, maybe we can go a little far that we still had a few minutes left. You wanna take the October one.
15:25:04 October.
15:25:07 4.th
15:25:09 And 4.
15:25:11 Been poor good Buddy.
15:25:12 90 is doubling up there.
15:25:18 The other 2 parter.
15:25:20 Then 1011. The volunteers. We're kind of all over the place. Let's see, Kate's done.
15:25:25 Next section here.
15:25:28 To.
15:25:29 3. Ferguson.
15:25:31 1, 2, 3 times done.
15:25:35 2, 3.
15:25:37 We're all we're all good. So
15:25:39 Kate, how does Friday, the 11th of October, look.
15:25:42 Yep.
15:25:43 Sounds good.
15:25:47 Can't believe we're talking about October.
15:25:50 I know the summer's almost over. I mean. Summer's over now.
15:25:55 No way.
15:26:00 Best 2 and a half months of the year right.
15:26:02 18.th
15:26:04 I have a.
15:26:05 I can't cannot do.
15:26:08 Late the 18.th
15:26:10 Oh, yeah, that's the big, pure Tpo executive board and retreat, too. Right?
15:26:14 So community, foundation.
15:26:20 And that's.
15:26:20 That's the county coordination. Is that a quarterly one? That one.
15:26:26 That's the monthly one.
15:26:28 Okay, so Kate can't do it.
15:26:31 I can do the 18th just.
15:26:35 I can do the 25.th
15:26:41 Ready!
15:26:44 Alright!
15:26:47 Who's? Oh, no, that's another Halloween. I thought it was gonna be Halloween. It's not.
15:26:52 It's what's the 31, st is it? All Saints day.
15:26:55 The first.st
15:26:56 Prior to November 1st steam.
15:26:58 Think it is? Yeah.
15:27:01 Okay. Well, we'll we'll leave All Saints Day for another day.
15:27:09 Great.
15:27:11 Well, we're just we still got a minute or 2 any other items folks need to.
15:27:18 Address.
15:27:20 Walk on.
15:27:27 I will say I just got
15:27:28 Probably kind of advanced notice.
15:27:32 Of a the Local Board of Health Training.
15:27:36 That the State has been putting on the last couple of years.
15:27:40 And it is going to be October second and 3rd in Leavenworth.
15:27:47 For consideration. I think anybody can go.
15:27:51 Well, is that what I went to last year? Yeah, you're the only one that's been.
15:27:54 And it was.
15:27:54 I went the 1st year.
15:27:56 Okay.
15:27:56 In Spokane. Yeah.
15:27:59 Say October or September.
15:28:00 October second and 3.rd
15:28:04 I'm sure Apple will be getting it out. But just for our advanced planning.
15:28:09 Tuesday, Wednesday.
15:28:11 Commute.
15:28:12 Hmm.
15:28:14 That's after a 5th Monday as well.
15:28:17 Hmm.
15:28:20 You're good.
15:28:25 Okay.
15:28:27 Really like talking about October right now. I'm with Kate on this.
15:28:32 Enjoy the summer.
15:28:34 Okay? Well, still, 2Â min before our 3 30 talk about the open space tax program and a new resolution to see it. I was. Yeah, it really feels like the
15:28:50 Regulatory reform resolution come to life. So I appreciate. Yes, indeed, it's good to see you, David. Yeah, appreciate it.
15:29:00 Oh, Board Committee vacancies! That's maybe we can.
15:29:03 Someone have that open.
15:29:10 Still, as I told you.
15:29:11 Push my neighbor to apply for the wheat board.
15:29:16 Yeah, the Behavioral Health Advisory Committee. I mentioned this earlier. We are.
15:29:21 Kind of trueing up what.
15:29:25 It says in the law that we're supposed to have on that committee, and.
15:29:28 What we have on the committee, and it does say we're supposed to have a salish.
15:29:33 Behavioral Health Administrative Services organization member. And we don't. We haven't for a while. So.
15:29:40 Might be a.
15:29:41 Behavioral Health Advisory Committee discussion on that one.
15:29:44 Advantage.
15:29:45 Isn't there a. Is there still staff from.
15:29:50 Count, as it's on the Advisory Board.
15:29:51 I know.
15:29:53 Anne was on it before, on the Behavioral Advisory Committee on the.
15:29:58 Bhao Advisory Board.
15:30:00 Oh, I'm not sure. Lori Fleming is on it. Yeah, Lori Fleming might be.
15:30:06 Yeah, yeah.
15:30:09 Possibility I'm meeting. I have the Ph. Meetings this week. I can.
15:30:12 I can push it a little bit, see if she's interested. And there are. There are new
15:30:18 I think there's 1 or 2 other new Jefferson County on the age sales Advisory Board as well. Right.
15:30:26 That just kind of pointed.
15:30:27 So I'm not sure if they would be interested in taking on.
15:30:31 Anyway.
15:30:32 And I should say the Portland drainage district. Remember, we accepted the resignation of Gary Rick Meyer, one of the applicants. They've been.
15:30:42 I think they have a meeting on the 8th this week, where they will consider candidates, and then make a recommendation to us about who should get appointed to that interim position.
Until then.
15:30:54 Remainder of that.
15:30:55 Term.
15:31:02 Housing Fund Board. I think we have somebody on the data and needs assessment.
15:31:08 Vicki.
15:31:10 And.
15:31:12 Julia.
15:31:13 Looks like we have 4, but we're supposed to have 6 or.
15:31:17 Well, there's some members from the Housing Fund Board, and there's some members of the public on it. I'll double check. I feel like that's.
15:31:25 Inaccurate. If there's 2 openings for housing board members.
15:31:30 Is accurate. There's 1.
15:31:31 Thanks for having fun board member on the Community Conversations Committee.
15:31:34 And the Funding Opportunities Committee is pretty much. It's.
15:31:39 Hasn't been doing anything. It's pretty.
15:31:41 Follow.
15:31:44 Oh, right here. Resignation on District 2 board.
15:31:52 And of course, that left Retirement Disability Board. It's impossible to find just a community member. I've had many retired police officers or or firefighters interested.
15:32:03 That it has to be a member outside of those those.
15:32:08 Jobs that are are served by the left ward.
15:32:16 All right. Well, we've gone past our time as we prevaricate. So why don't we.
15:32:22 Put that aside and jump into our discussion and potential action regarding.
15:32:27 Regarding amending the resolution adopting the open space program and public comments, we're joined by David Wayne Johnson, and it was Greg joining us online or.
15:32:38 You see if she's here?
15:32:44 Right. Okay. Well, I guess it's all on your shoulders. Take it away.
15:32:49 Thank you. Well, good afternoon. I know you have a long day today.
15:32:55 David Wayne Johnson, Associate Planner for the Department of Community Development, also known as Dcd.
15:33:01 And joining us also today. Show deputy assessor from the Jefferson Kevin.
15:33:08 Censors department. And we're gonna talk to you about open space programs.
15:33:14 And I think this is a good opportunity to.
15:33:17 Least.
15:33:18 Talk about that program, because some of you may not be aware of what it is, but how it works. Like most of what we do. It's pretty convoluted. So we're gonna try to simplify
it as much as we can.
15:33:30 Without confusing you any further. You're gonna simplify it for us. And then you're gonna simplify it for everyone. Right? Well, that's what we're trying. Okay.
15:33:40 So how do I assume.
15:33:44 Leisal.
15:33:45 Okay, just pull it.
15:33:47 So we do have a Powerpoint presentation. We'll go through and start with the agenda.
15:33:55 We're going to cover the requests that we're making today, which is basically asking you to review.
15:34:01 A resolution that will amend the open space program to.
15:34:06 We'll also cover the background and history of open space.
15:34:11 Will look as regulatory which we're basing. This request on in part.
15:34:17 And then we have a summary.
15:34:19 Of the request.
15:34:21 Well, basically what we're trying to accomplish.
15:34:23 And then we'll go into next steps, which.
15:34:27 You know there's quite a few.
15:34:29 And then finally, we'll have questions for you to ask. I just asked you to save your questions. You may have your questions answered.
15:34:37 During that presentation. So we'll try. And we're bunch of cats, though. So I apologize. Been watching you guys for a long time.
15:34:47 So let's go.
15:34:49 Every Monday, actually.
15:34:53 So the request is this, and this is.
15:34:55 Verbatim what I put in the agenda request that you've I'm assuming that.
15:35:01 Dcd. Is requesting the Board of County Commissioners amends 82, 91, to remove the requirement for a hearing Examiner. Public hearing.
15:35:10 On open space applications for Regulatory Reform Resolution, 19.
15:35:16 And we'll go into more detail on what that involves.
15:35:21 So let's start with some history.
15:35:23 So we understand. Where all this started.
15:35:27 Basically Open Space Act was enacted in 1,970 by the Washington State Legislature.
15:35:33 And in essence what it does, it gives a tax property tax.
15:35:40 Rate would.
15:35:43 To landowners.
15:35:45 In exchange for preserving resource land. So in that sense it's a lot like Gma.
15:35:51 And this is 1,900, which Jamie is 1990. So this may have been the beginning of the idea that we need to conserve our resource. Land.
15:36:00 And as an incentive to do that, we're gonna give you tax.
15:36:05 So that's essentially what it does in the most simple terms I can.
15:36:10 I think.
15:36:14 So how do we administer this.
15:36:17 Tax, yeah.
15:36:18 Well, it's it's in the Rcw. 18.
15:36:22 84, 34. It empowers counties to set up their own open space program.
15:36:28 In this case we have what's called a public benefit rating system, where we evaluate.
15:36:34 Valuable, ask in terms of.
15:36:37 Resource, conservation.
15:36:41 And this resolution adopting this program was made in August 12.th
15:36:46 1991. So 33 years.
15:36:50 It served as a guide for some processing. These applications, which were also referred to as current use.
15:36:56 Open space. The nomenclature gets a little convoluted, but.
15:37:03 It was also amended in 1,995, to include shorelines and buffers.
15:37:10 And that's in the the waiting system, which will show you that the worksheet.
15:37:16 So it's it's been. It's been amended once already, and we're asking you to do that again.
15:37:44 Yeah, okay. So there we go. So continued, without this.
15:37:49 There are 3 categories as we just.
15:37:52 Mentioned. There's open space.
15:37:54 There's Ag, and it was Forestlana. We used to refer to open space. Open space is processed by Dcd.
15:38:02 Opens his egg is processed by the assessor, and Space forest.
15:38:07 Used to be come through our office. DC. But now it's administered by the Assessor.
15:38:13 And the open space part is because it's under the open space program. But there's 3 different categories.
15:38:20 To open space, which is anything which isn't. But it's open space. We want to preserve that.
15:38:26 And then back and forth.
15:38:31 So is there anything I'm sorry, anything you want to chime in on? Just oh, okay. I just wanted to clarify that the open space timberland.
15:38:40 Originally was for parcels 5 acres, and above.
15:38:44 And designated porcelain acres, and above excluding a 1 acre home site where now the law is changed for Dfl.
15:38:52 And 5 acres, and above can be a Dfl, so we hope
15:38:57 Hopefully. By the end of the year we hope to do a resolution converting all of our open space timber parcels into Dfl because they're managed as Dfl. To begin with, and many
of the counties around, probably about 20 of the 39 at least, have already done that conversion, so we hope to have a resolution to you.
15:39:18 To the Commissioners by the end of the year, doing that as well. So.
15:39:22 Yeah. The interesting part about this is the partnership we have with the Assessor and processing.
15:39:30 So it's kind of Dicey, but we'll talk about that. So go ahead to the next.
15:39:34 Slide.
15:39:36 So how do we administer this? So like I said, Dcd refers to this as a current use assessment. But it's really open space, open space.
15:39:46 And
15:39:47 So they apply through Dcd, we evaluate the property based upon this public benefit rating system.
15:39:53 We'll look at the checklist here in a minute.
15:39:56 And then the assessor determines how much property tax.
15:40:01 They should receive based upon the number of points they get on that radio system.
15:40:05 So, together with Vc. And the Assessor, we recommend approval or denial for application.
15:40:14 And we determine what the tax benefit might be.
15:40:18 And who the owner would receive.
15:40:20 And then the the Board makes the final decision, based upon a recommendation by the hearing.
15:40:26 It's essentially how that works.
15:40:29 Next slide.
15:40:30 So here is the open space current use tax assessment, public benefit rating worksheet.
15:40:36 So we give this to the applicant.
15:40:38 And there's instructions in the the program about how they would qualify for each one of these. And you can see the number of points that you could potentially could get for
each one of these subcategories.
15:40:51 High priority resources, low priority access. So if they're offering the public access to enjoy their property, they get points for that.
15:41:01 Transfer development Rights county policies. There's the Thailand shorelines and buffers that I mentioned.
15:41:07 We're added in 1,009.
15:41:09 And then we add all these up, and there's a maximum of 12. You can't get more than 12.
15:41:15 And there's a minimum of 5. So.
15:41:18 I don't know what's your experience.
15:41:21 Most of them have been more.
15:41:22 10 to 12, and that that obviously just the highest reduction in tax. Yeah, 10% of market value.
15:41:34 So that's what I do.
15:41:35 Saved.
15:41:38 Okay, I think let's move on to the next word. So.
15:41:43 Hearing the Examiner public hearing and recommendation.
15:41:46 Our program specifies that they hear an examiner, the required public hearing.
15:41:52 Make a recommendation to the Board of Commissioners based upon staff report testimony.
15:41:57 And really they're looking to make sure that the application program.
15:42:05 It's an important decision here to make, because this is not a land use.
15:42:10 Application. It's not a landing decision. Most of the hearing decisions.
15:42:14 Back to all of them through Dcd.
15:42:16 Our decisions that you guys have no part of.
15:42:20 And that's an appealable decision either through superior court or cases
15:42:26 Yeah, I think it's all. If you're an examiner, would go to support.
15:42:33 So they make a recommendation to the board. After hearing the case in the public hearing.
15:42:39 And then you guys basically decide whether you want to accept that recommendation or not.
15:42:43 And you, as the legislative authority, entered into a tax agreement.
15:42:49 With the property owner for that reduction.
15:42:52 Over the years. We've processed quite a few of these. I think the last time.
15:42:57 We actually had a conversation with the urine, sharing myself.
15:43:02 And I'm.
15:43:03 So many reasons really necessary. It's not a land use decision.
15:43:10 It seems like an extra step.
15:43:12 And that we don't really need.
15:43:14 Nobody shows up for these but the applicant.
15:43:17 So land use decision where they're doing land use development. Stop doing it. Yeah. And the neighbors aren't going to care because you're just preserving the land, and you're
getting a tax break.
15:43:29 Good object to that, so.
15:43:32 I bet you get a lot more.
15:43:34 Fives and sixes applying, though if you don't have to go through a hearing process right, you might have more marginal applications.
15:43:42 That's not been our experience.
15:43:44 I guess sometimes, though, if.
15:43:48 We've.
15:43:50 Advise people to have a Pre. App to get a sense of how much taxation they could get.
15:43:57 Before they apply, because in some cases the application fees are more than that redemption.
15:44:02 So.
15:44:06 Last few applications. Actually, I believe, most of them, that we're waiting to clear our transfers.
15:44:13 From open space egg, where there's no one longer who can alsem and or waterfront that's backed by Dfl, I believe that's
15:44:25 At least 2 of the applications. So the last ones have been transfers.
15:44:31 And so we'll talk about pending applications.
15:44:39 The regulatory reform. We're kind of using this as a justification in part.
15:44:45 As you may know. It was passed in 2,019.
15:44:49 Resolution, 17.
15:44:52 And it. It is about making government more efficient, a less expensive, easier to understand in terms of the code.
15:45:00 Streamlining the primary path, facilitating economic development.
15:45:05 And so forth.
15:45:10 So when I looked at this, I take like I said, I didn't take this. I've got these 6 bullets which are within the resolution itself.
15:45:18 Just.
15:45:20 Takes him right out of there.
15:45:21 And I've got it posted on any opportunity I see, to do one of these 6 things.
15:45:27 I make a recommendation to management.
15:45:30 That we that we look at.
15:45:32 I'm confident.
15:45:34 That our management team now takes thisly as well. We're always looking for that opportunity.
15:45:40 It's kind of like Japanese.
15:45:43 Hi zan right constant Improvement.
15:45:46 We really want to demonstrate that we're serious about that. I think bullet number 5 is what I would say. This falls into as far as one of those.
15:45:56 Streamline, the Permit review process making it easier, quicker, less expensive.
15:46:03 Cause he's here. Exam. We're now charging.
15:46:06 Proposing to charge $1,400.
15:46:10 We could bash them together, you know, one time, so that defer some of the cost, but still.
15:46:16 There's a there's a time.
15:46:19 Consideration as far as staff to do these, and the hearing.
15:46:22 As well.
15:46:24 So, and that adds time on, too. Right? We've got a pretty busy schedule as well getting into the docket or getting the the response as well.
15:46:34 So when I started looking at how can we? How can we amend that resolution of the program to take that out of there as an extra step we don't really need. It's extraneous.
15:46:45 I looked at the New Pyear code that we passed in 2019.
15:46:51 And.
15:46:52 This is interesting because this is
15:46:55 This is the duties that the you know the scope of the duties of the hearing examiner.
15:46:59 This one applies to Non Landyry, and there's some of those that he would hear.
15:47:07 And then any other non use proceeding, not prohibited by loss signed by the Board of County Missions through importance.
15:47:16 Not a resolution, and this is adopted through resolution.
15:47:20 And though we didn't broach the subject with the hearing on whether or not he thought he could hear these cases, we just decided that this is another justification.
15:47:31 For amending that resolution to take the requirement for hearing examiner hear the public hearing.
15:47:37 Out of there.
15:47:39 So yeah, there's just no resolution but our legal counsel, who we worked with resolution.
15:47:48 Recommended that we we really shouldify this somewhere in Jefferson County Code.
15:47:53 Probably I don't know if it's going to be title 18.
15:47:56 Maybe title 5, where the taxes are.
15:48:00 We don't know yet, but we'll talk about how we get, how we figure that out.
15:48:04 In the next steps.
15:48:05 And then we adopt that code by orbit.
15:48:08 That's their recommendation.
15:48:10 So this summary is what.
15:48:12 You know the most.
15:48:14 Way I can describe what we're asking for or trying to do, trying to accomplish.
15:48:19 Jefferson County has an opportunity to revise the open space program to eliminate an unnecessary step in the permanent review procedures for current use assessment, and that.
15:48:30 You know, we go to space open space.
15:48:34 Applications for the guidance and resolution. 17.
15:48:37 And thereby incrementally implement regulatory.
15:48:41 The revision simply requires a review and siting of a new resolution that amends the adopting 91 to remove the requirement for the hearing examiner to hold a public hearing.
15:48:52 And make a recommendation to the voc for either approval.
15:48:57 So I hope that's clear.
15:49:00 Next slide.
15:49:03 Now the next steps would be, now.
15:49:07 For you to review, or either sign or not. Sign, I mean, that's an entirely up to you. Whether you want to sign a resolution to do this.
15:49:16 But that'd be the 1st step, and then staff would continue to process the backlog that we have.
15:49:22 And and a lot of the back. The applications for the Hood Canal Enhancement group were because of the staff constraints we had.
15:49:29 A couple years ago, so we just folded them into the next year.
15:49:33 But then I saw the opportunity. Well, this might be a chance for us.
15:49:37 To take out that hearing. Examine.
15:49:41 And so we had a couple of others that we wanted to fold into that too. So.
15:49:47 I would. I would then proceed if we get the resolution, even if we don't, if even if we need to hear an examiner to hear those.
15:49:54 I would start the next.
15:49:56 Phase of the process which is to write the Staff report, which would include a site visit to confirm whether or not.
15:50:02 The things they said they had on the property to give them. Those.
15:50:06 Public benefit points actually existed on site.
15:50:09 So that's my part of the job. Right is to evaluate that.
15:50:13 And confirm that that's right.
15:50:16 And.
15:50:17 So we go through that process.
15:50:20 And then we would schedule assuming we pass the resolution.
15:50:24 The board. We just scheduled a public hearing to hear those 4 cases.
15:50:29 On a Monday morning regular meeting, which isn't unusual for you.
15:50:35 And then you can. You can at that point make your decision to approve or deny, based on the staff report and the testimony of the applicant.
15:50:44 And our recommendation.
15:50:47 Next step.
15:50:48 It's like.
15:50:50 So we're also considering the program. I mean, it's over 30 years old. So I think it's due for reviewing and division.
15:51:00 Through our strategic plan process which we've already proposed. The Assessor has proposed.
15:51:06 Expanding the public benefit system to include 2 new categories. That's for some of the big farms.
15:51:15 That the the owners they just can't farm.
15:51:20 Simply and that would preserve them. Still, under this program they wouldn't have to come out and pay compensating tax. That would hold it some counties, I believe, have put
a restriction on the number of years it can remain in historic farm and we may want to also look at the historic farm being.
15:51:45 Maybe a size.
15:51:47 You know, like the big dairy parts hunting Ford Bishop.
15:51:52 You know, those are ones that we're thinking of.
15:51:56 Looking at it, looking at a minimum size is what you're saying.
15:52:00 Yeah, maybe have a minimum size.
15:52:03 You know, and maybe number of years it's been in even not sure. Look at the statues closer, seeing those are all possible.
15:52:12 But that's our target was for those, and the other one is for
15:52:18 Timberland.
15:52:20 There's some of the.
15:52:21 Conservation, Easements.
15:52:23 That have been purchased.
15:52:25 Land Trust and some of the other conservation areas.
15:52:29 They'll do.
15:52:31 Some harvesting is very limited, so it doesn't really fall under Dfl design. So we would like to see
15:52:41 A category for those that they do very.
15:52:45 Selective Harvest.
15:52:47 And they're still within the law and the frame of the program.
15:52:51 They would have to transfer into this program.
15:52:54 Under open space, but.
15:52:56 If this is passive, it's going to be an easy.
15:53:00 Transfer, cool.
15:53:02 Yeah. And part of this process, too, is to look at the overall program and see if there's any opportunities to make it better. And we have some historic open space, open space.
15:53:15 Properties that really need to be reviewed. They started to review them 30 years ago, and.
15:53:22 It's pretty onerous. So only a few of those were completed. So those really need to be reviewed. So everyone is on the same level playing field.
15:53:35 So that process would be.
15:53:38 We're thinking. I've now revised this because it doesn't necessarily have to go to the planning commission.
15:53:44 That's only a matter of 18.
15:53:48 It could be codified. Jefferson County.
15:53:52 Cool. Somewhere. Maybe title, 5.
15:53:54 But it would be adopted. And it's instead of a resolution.
15:54:00 And then, finally, you may decide that it is more appropriate for the hearing examiner to review those applications than the Board.
15:54:09 But that may require us to amend the hearing. Examiner.
15:54:13 Graduations.
15:54:14 So.
15:54:16 That's that's good, I think.
15:54:20 You have any questions we'll never get. Answer those.
15:54:23 I saw a couple of typos.
15:54:26 On page one page, one.
15:54:30 In the second and 4, th whereas is 2 same thing. Yup.
15:54:42 I had a question.
15:54:46 My computer.
15:54:48 Just to be Board of County Commissioners, not Board of County Commissions.
15:54:51 Okay.
15:54:53 And.
15:54:53 The second and 4, th whereas is.
15:54:58 Same thing. Yeah.
15:55:01 We typically don't amend a previous resolution. We start a new resolution and says repeals and replaces the last resolution. So I was wondering if you had.
15:55:10 Hold on a second what he thought of that.
15:55:13 Yeah, he didn't, because in assigning I wouldn't be assigning a new resolution number, I would technically give him the old resolution number.
15:55:21 An afternoon. We haven't done that. I haven't done that before. I've been here so.
15:55:26 I've seen in the audience. I was wondering if you wanted.
15:55:29 It'd be nice if you could chime in there.
15:55:33 Right, because when we added the waterfront portion, the county, it was in good resolution. And then we I typically would not assign an old number to a new resolution. So.
15:55:46 Maybe doing something else. Up there he comes.
15:55:48 I know we recently changed this process. So I'm just wondering.
15:55:53 Mr. Hansard.
15:55:55 Well, you'll be happy to know that, Lauren Rasmussen responded to our.
15:56:02 Our agreement. I've been working on the
15:56:06 On what she sent. So that's so.
15:56:08 A little. I just heard my name being called in connection with what was being going on, so.
15:56:13 I'm I'm coming up now, and I'm I was hearing. Say something about.
15:56:19 Something that.
15:56:20 Inconsistent with what David was talking about and how we do things. That's what I think is being discussed. Am I getting it right?
15:56:28 Because, Gary, when you want to try one more time. Yeah, I can recap typically, we don't
15:56:32 We typically repeal and replace a previous resolution. And we don't assign the same number. And the title of this one is saying to amend sections of a previous resolution. So
I was wondering if.
15:56:45 We should change the title and have it in. Have it say this repeals and replaces.
15:56:50 The resolution from 90 from 91, and then assign a new number.
15:56:55 Yeah, if it, I agree, if it's a brand new language, then it's definitely has to be assigned a new number.
15:57:01 Yeah.
15:57:01 Either way.
15:57:03 And if it was on there when I reviewed it, I don't miss that.
15:57:08 So that that might not be on David.
15:57:12 But and then, yeah, I agree with you that if it's completely something.
15:57:17 It ought to say, repeal, and replace.
15:57:20 Doesn't completely replace it, though. Sections 1, 3, and 4.
15:57:24 Specific Section.
15:57:25 Well, so there! So.
15:57:27 It's just amending. It's just changing part of the whole resolution.
15:57:32 Yeah.
15:57:32 Then it's then we're then we're mending it.
15:57:36 Which we typically haven't. I haven't seen that. I mean, we usually in there some ways, and it's we usually say we are repealing it. And we have a fresh version with those changes.
15:57:46 In the new resolution.
15:57:48 Are we? Are we trying to get it approved today?
15:57:53 Have, David, how time critical is this.
15:57:56 No, not necessarily today.
15:57:58 We want to get it right, Phil. We don't have to.
15:58:01 We don't have them together could be next week. Okay, yeah. It's not urgent.
15:58:07 Yeah, yeah, let's get. Let's make sure we get it. You know, we get this right?
15:58:11 I don't.
15:58:11 I don't think it's it's gonna require a lot of work to get it right.
15:58:17 And then it can be prepared for consent. Agenda on the 12.th You think.
15:58:21 Sure.
15:58:22 Yeah, no problem at all.
15:58:23 We can discuss and see if there's any other.
15:58:25 Issues today right now. But yeah, that would be fine.
15:58:30 Yeah.
15:58:30 Alright! Thanks.
15:58:31 That, Carolyn. Thank you, Phil.
15:58:32 Yeah, you bet.
15:58:35 Any other questions or comments.
15:58:37 Kate.
15:58:41 Yeah, a couple of things. Sorry I'm not there, David, and sherry
15:58:46 It's I actually can't think of one of these that we have done.
15:58:52 Am I just forgetting? In the last 7 and a half years.
15:58:56 I was just asking Greg that yeah, I guess kind of in a.
15:59:01 A book every year or 2. Is that how we get them usually.
15:59:04 I think we submit this.
15:59:08 After it's been approved.
15:59:11 In the hearing. Examiner has approved it, and we've got the meeting. It's usually after the agreement signed by the taxpayer. Then it's presented to the board, it would be an
actual hearing that we participated in when right now we're just, I mean, like, how many of these do you think, have been done in the last.
15:59:35 7 years, like 10 or.
15:59:40 So there's not that many. I think I've done half a dozen in my 20 years. Oh, half a dozen in 20 years. We've got 4 pending right now, more in the queue than right now that I've
been there for the past decade, because I don't remember doing any of these either.
15:59:56 Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I forget things. But like this, I I would notice, because I've I've been through this process with sherry many years ago.
16:00:06 Yeah, I thought about doing it. My own property. But it's a lot especially going through a hearings examiner, everything, you know. If you got a wetland that doesn't have much
tax value. It was pretty marginal for us, but.
16:00:16 Yep.
16:00:18 I'm wondering, though. Question
16:00:24 So it excuse me. It makes reference.
16:00:27 The number of times to
16:00:31 To an ordinance. It does talk about ordinance from 91. That's the hearing examiner.
16:00:39 But I'm I'm just wondering if this.
16:00:42 Vex.
16:00:44 An ordinance? Can we? Can we do that by resolution?
16:00:50 And I'm.
16:00:50 That ordinance was replaced with our Jefferson kind of code.
16:00:54 Okay.
16:00:55 So.
16:00:56 Whereas.
16:01:00 But sections.
16:01:00 Where.
16:01:01 Section 7 says, the ordinance becomes effective upon adoption.
16:01:07 So I'm.
16:01:08 Curious! What.
16:01:10 Which ordinance that's referencing, and if that's do, we have the authority to.
16:01:14 To do that via.
16:01:16 Resolution versus ordinance.
16:01:21 To the Attendee List.
16:01:23 Checking it back over.
16:01:24 We don't have to make. He's he's yeah. We can. We can take a look later, so we can process his questions and ask.
16:01:32 Yeah.
16:01:32 Yeah.
16:01:34 Always raise his hands. No, okay, we'll bring him back over.
16:01:39 Giving them whiplash. You guys.
16:01:42 So. Yeah. Section 7. I see. I was looking at the where as.
16:01:47 And section 8 refers to this ordinance.
16:01:51 Right.
16:01:52 So section 8 is is the last
16:01:59 Do you guys have it up.
16:02:00 Because I'm just.
16:02:06 I can.
16:02:01 Because I'm just thinking there's a typo. It should say resolution instead of ordinance. And that's as I heard what you guys said.
16:02:08 Okay.
16:02:08 I can put it up.
16:02:09 Section 7 as well, then.
16:02:16 Now.
16:02:11 Okay? So we're not. We're not amending any ordinance with this resolution. I just wanted to be sure missing.
16:02:17 Now.
16:02:18 Oh, okay.
16:02:19 Great.
16:02:19 No. Oh, I see. Okay.
16:02:23 So that's section price would be the resolution. 6.
16:02:26 Yeah, yeah, that those should say this, this resolution.
16:02:30 And 6, 2 under severability.
16:02:32 Yes.
16:02:34 That's.
16:02:35 That's an artifact of the of the template.
16:02:38 Probably I was using.
16:02:40 I think that's probably on me.
16:02:47 Thanks.
16:02:48 Okay, and then you fill it.
16:02:49 But in in general I I fully support this, and
16:02:54 Yeah, it's like I said, I have been largely. I'm very aware of the program, but largely unaware of that process, because I have not even noticed when they have come across our
desk.
16:03:05 So yeah, it seems crazy to have to go through an expensive, lengthy process for something that is.
16:03:11 You know, largely administrative and you know, whatever value the hearing Examiner brings. I'd like to think that the Commissioners could bring instead and save a landowner
some money.
16:03:23 Yeah. And I mean, who's gonna object to people not developing their property? I don't think nobody anytime anywhere.
16:03:31 But you know, now I'm gonna be proved wrong. Give 5 emails.
16:03:37 That we should mention.
16:03:38 It does remove and replace. Did you guys just say this in ordinance.
16:03:43 Which one? Where do you see that.
16:03:45 Oh, yeah, yeah. I I mentioned that then. It's it. Just.
16:03:49 In the not in the, whereas if it appeals the ordinance to be to the Jefferson County code, yeah.
16:03:58 But I mean we'll take.
16:04:01 Dcd. Assessor and and and the PA's office can take one more look through, and I think we're all totally in favor of this, and we can avoid a hearing exam or process. And we
really make more people engage in this program. It would be good for everybody. So.
16:04:17 Even though you're nuts, and you do have public comment. Oh, thank Carolyn.
16:04:21 Okay, any other questions or comments before we open this up for public comment.
16:04:27 Okay, well, thank you very much, David. Good to see you, Sherry, and we'll open it up for public comment. There's no public in the room. But if you're with us and would like
to comment on this agenda item, you can hit the raise hand button or star 9. If you're on the phone. We would love to hear from you.
16:04:43 One more call. If you would like to make comment on this agenda item regarding the open space.
16:04:50 Program, the myriad ones.
16:04:53 The open open space and open space, open space and.
16:04:57 Timber. Dfl, okay.
16:04:59 I'll close public comment and.
16:05:02 Thank you guys very much, really appreciate it. We'll look forward at next week, or even the week after.
16:05:08 It's coming.
16:05:10 Okay, thank you so much for continuing to look for ways to Streamline. The the regulations, David, that's great.
16:05:19 Good.
16:05:21 That'd be great to do.
16:05:23 Yeah, great, that's free.
16:05:28 Okay, anything else that we need to discuss today.
16:05:36 Do we wanna do?
16:05:36 Maybe just
16:05:37 Could we ask Hansacker, since he's still over here?
16:05:41 For any sort of update. If if
16:05:43 Would we need to.
16:05:45 Think differently about our plans for the special meeting tomorrow.
16:05:48 No.
16:05:50 That's what I expected.
16:05:51 I wasn't going to get back.
16:05:54 Yes, this is perfect.
16:05:56 Okay.
16:06:00 There was one! There's 1 sort of big misunderstanding that I have to fix.
16:06:04 But
16:06:08 So the other stuff is
16:06:11 It's kind of normal negotiating stuff. So.
16:06:14 But but we
16:06:20 Yeah, we're we're gonna be talking about language in the one o'clock meeting.
16:06:24 Tomorrow, for sure.
16:06:27 And Sam, and because there's only so much Lauren and I can do right, and we have to get.
16:06:33 The principals involved. I think that's what's up next, I mean. She wrote me back a funny note about.
16:06:40 How she didn't have. She was doing this without authority as well. So.
16:06:46 So yeah. So I think we'll be talking about language tomorrow at one.
16:06:51 Maybe we can get it.
16:06:53 You know the language closed up in that meeting at one, and then.
16:06:56 But I I don't think it's likely to be finalized.
16:07:00 Before 3 o'clock tomorrow at before the special.
16:07:04 Session tomorrow.
16:07:08 Okay.
16:07:10 Yep.
16:07:10 You bet!
16:07:13 Okay. Anything else for the good of the order?
16:07:17 That was a whizzy whoop! Doozy of a day. Felt like a full day. Thanks for sticking with us, Kate. I'm impressed. You're you're still vertical. Yeah.
16:07:25 Yeah, yeah. I I laid down there for a minute.
16:07:28 Okay. Well, thanks for sticking with it. I hope you feel better, and you know, take the time.
16:07:34 Recovering, and if there's nothing else, we are adjourned for the day. We'll see you next week.
16:07:41 Tomorrow, actually.
09:07:19 From Kate Dean, Jefferson County Commissioner to Hosts and panelists:
We need to walk on the tribal agreement for Trust Land Transfer after our 10:15 with Phil, please.
09:09:04 From Chambers to Kate Dean, Jefferson County Commissioner(Direct Message):
I put a placeholder on the agenda that I'm working with
13:44:05 From Chambers to Hosts and panelists:
There is an August 12th workshop at 10:15 a.m. with Joshua Montgomery regarding Electric Vehicle plans