HomeMy WebLinkAboutclosed_caption14:32:51 Yeah, you can hit raise hand if you're in the online or.
14:32:59 I'll I'll call us to order one more time.
14:33:04 Okay.
14:33:05 Last call to public comment.
14:33:08 Yeah, come up a little closer. This, this owl microphone is, yeah, it's just this has come into the open space. Yeah, that's good. 90, and the documentation piece.
14:33:25 Hmm.
14:33:26 Okay.
14:33:28 There was a question about the Rp. Whether it's about both recording feature for shelter and the $1590 for affordable housing, and that is, both are in the Rfp. Okay, next up
is the approval of minutes from I guess I'll close public comment, and next up is approval of the minutes from July 24.th Does everyone have a chance to review those minutes or.
14:33:51 Here any comments or questions or corrections.
14:33:55 Seeing none, I welcome a motion to approve.
14:33:58 We'll move to approve.
14:34:04 I was not present, so I don't feel inclined to second.
14:34:07 I'll second.
14:34:09 Okay. Moved by Amy, seconded by Audrey.
14:34:13 All in favor of approval of the minutes as presented, indicate by saying, Hi!
14:34:17 Aye.
14:34:19 Any opposed.
14:34:19 And you have sentions. Okay, one abstention.
14:34:24 Formal today, okay.
14:34:27 We will move on. We're joined by Bridget Kelly and Gentila from the the house center on the the pathways to housing report, and they're gonna give us a report. We've got about
an hour slated for this, and I.
14:34:40 From our conversation before, Jed. It's about 30Â min presentation and more conversation. Is that accurate or.
14:34:46 Yeah, we plan more of like a 20Â min, 40? Question and answer that.
14:34:52 Okay, great and just one other housekeeping thing. You prefer that we keep our questions till the end of the presentation, or ask.
14:35:00 Clarifying questions as you go through. It's up to you.
14:35:03 We've done it both, Bridget, I'll let you answer that one. We've done it both ways, so I'm not. I'm not set to either of them, but.
14:35:13 Either. Yeah, somebody has a burning question. And if it's something like, we know we're gonna cover later, or it would be easier to talk about at the end. Maybe we could just
say, Oh, we'll note that and come back to it. If people don't mind, then we can.
14:35:22 Okay.
14:35:22 Kind of do it both hand on that.
14:35:23 Sounds good, so raise your hand, folks. If you do have a question as we go through, and we'll see if it's possible for our presenters if we introduce ourselves. Yeah, sorry.
I know Jed and Bridget. So I just assume everyone does. Maybe a quick round of introductions would be appropriate. We'll start with the with the board. I'm Greg Bruton, one of the kind
of commissioners, and with me is I'm Kateen, also a commissioner here in Jefferson County, and member of the House of.
14:35:49 Vicky.
14:35:49 I'm Vicki, and I'm a citizen volunteer on my house in Bedford, and I attended some of the prep sessions for the report.
14:36:02 Neil.
14:36:04 Neil Nelson, Member City Council.
14:36:07 We'll leave it done.
14:36:08 Yeah. Welcome. Our newest member, Amy.
14:36:12 I'm Amy Howard and I do know, Jed, but this is my 1st time meeting Bridget.
14:36:17 And I'm also a member of the Board.
14:36:19 And poor, town, city, council.
14:36:22 Many titles. Audrey.
14:36:28 Hi, Jed and Bridget. My name's Audrey Morford. I'm a member of the Housing Fund Board, and I'm a supportive housing program manager for the aging and long-term supports administration
at Dshs.
14:36:39 Hey!
14:36:39 Great to have Audrey on the board. I'll say we have some attendees, both in person and online, from some of our housing providers as well, and but we'll out of an interest time.
We'll we'll pass it over to you, Jen Bridget. Maybe you can introduce yourselves, and
14:36:55 Take her away!
14:36:57 Yeah, I'll go ahead and share my screen, which has our slides, and then we'll do that.
14:37:04 A.
14:37:05 Then we can go ahead and get started as soon as I remember how.
14:37:11 This works, or if my computer goes with me.
14:37:14 Here we go, okay.
14:37:16 There you go!
14:37:18 So yes, my name is Jet Lupa. I am a lead facilitator with the William D. Records House Center. We are based in Seattle, but we are actually
14:37:31 Collaboration between Udub and Wsu, which I'll get into in a second. But before I do that I'll turn it over to Britt or Bridget to do her introduction as well.
14:37:39 Thanks. Ted, yeah. My name is Bridget Kelly, and I am a consultant to the reckless health center on this this project in particular, and I'm actually based in Port Townsend.
So I am really thrilled to the opportunity to.
14:37:51 Speak in my, in, my, in my home.
14:37:54 I thought, you know.
14:37:54 So thanks for having us.
14:37:55 I thought you looked familiar.
14:37:59 Yeah, and
14:38:01 So yeah, just to get back a little bit to the house center.
14:38:04 We are an impartial resource.
14:38:08 And convener for collaboration in Washington and the region and we are dedicated to supporting people affiliated with governmental, private and other entities, develop shared
approaches, to address.
14:38:20 Policy challenges. Which, as many of you know, things like affordable housing, quickly fall into that idea of complex policy challenges.
14:38:29 And then, like I had mentioned, we are affiliated with the Provost office at Washington State University, and then also the Daniel J. Evans School of Public Policy and Governance
at the University of Washington.
14:38:44 And in 2021 the legislature directed the sender to conduct a multi year process of fact, finding.
14:38:54 And information gathering about the nature and scope of homelessness and housing and stability, with the ultimate purpose of facilitating discussions among individuals representing
various roles.
14:39:04 Sectors and geographies across the State to explore what is needed.
14:39:10 For a long term approach for creating pathway to having security for the State of Washington.
14:39:16 The part or the center did partner with Washington State University's vision of governmental studies and services. Who it was, focused more on the fact. Finding.
14:39:25 Efforts outlined in the legislation by conducting things like literature reviews and analyzing state and county information regarding.
14:39:33 Various different contributing factors and experiences of housing. Instability.
14:39:39 But the center at the William Dreckels have center. We focused on the facilitated discussions which informed the development of guiding principles and recommendations that the
legislation also asked for.
14:39:51 Other ports released by Dgs and the center can be.
14:39:56 Viewed and accessed on our project homepage down on the side there towards the bottom.
14:40:03 And then from 2021 to 2023, more than 3 or 400 individuals provided their knowledge and.
14:40:13 Perspectives to this work, and all those individuals were.
14:40:16 Different entities related to policies, programs, and or lived experience around homelessness and housing.
14:40:24 And in 2023 we released our final report to this title, discussions of and recommendations which provided the synthesis for of those conversations that we had with those 400
individuals or 400 plus individuals across the whole project.
14:40:42 So that's just a little bit of that. Just to give you a little bit more context of the report.
14:40:49 A culture.
14:40:52 It is a response to a call to highlight, what is needed for a statewide and long-term strategy that takes a broad lens at the issues of housing.
14:41:01 Using the concept of housing security as a whole and not just focusing on.
14:41:07 You know, having availability or any of that. This means that we did not give.
14:41:12 Or we did not investigate specific communities or groups. But instead, the report focuses on what is needed to build a cohesion across the state in a way that.
14:41:21 Maintains local autonomy and context specific needs over time.
14:41:26 In developing this work we recognize that many of the efforts there were already many efforts being done throughout the State. So our efforts focused on complementing.
14:41:35 Those efforts, and therefore our report incorporates and cross references, the work being done by other individuals across the State.
14:41:44 With all this in mind the intended use of the report is to provide guidance on how to make the necessary choices within your own local context that simultaneously increases
alignment among different locations, jurisdictions, levels and sectors across the State over time.
14:42:01 This report is about helping you optimize how you do what you are already doing. In short, this includes being able to tailor what you are doing to what your context needs.
14:42:13 Put your scope in the context of the whole, not necessarily taking on more, but help make sure that everything is covered that needs to be, and to make sure that your con you're
contributing to the solutions without interfering with other parts of the response.
14:42:28 And then it also helps to set yourself up to be able to adapt to circumstances as they change, as things like a pandemic dramatically change things in our world.
14:42:41 The report has 4 core elements, the foundational themes, the conceptual shifts, the guiding principles, and the recommendations. And we are going to say a little bit about each
of these things today.
14:42:52 But all the elements are connected, and should be taken holistically and not just isolated and addressed in isolation from one another.
14:43:00 As we present, we will provide some examples of their relationship to one another. And with that said, I'm gonna turn it over to Bridget to kind of start talking about the foundational
themes.
14:43:14 We like to at least mention what's maybe the most foundational of all the foundational things in the report. A lot more detail from from what we heard, that was kind of the
the groundwork for the recommendations, but this is the one that.
14:43:27 Seems most important to emphasize that every opportunity which is the reality, that multiple factors interact to contribute to homelessness and housing stability, and that.
14:43:37 Factors at the individual level are embedded within broader factors. And this is something that.
14:43:43 You know, when we're speaking to people who work on these issues is usually well known and kind of experientially understood. But it always feels worth stating, because it's
really not as why they understood as it needs to be, to have a kind of broad support for the kind of work that that you're trying to do and trying to support through the Housing Fund
board. So this this theme here in this video, just you know a few examples of kind, of how we hope this figure can be used and understood.
14:44:08 Because you know, people.
14:44:09 People being able to access and be stable and housing is fundamentally related to the supply and cost of housing that's related. Then a little bit around the circle to the economic
conditions. The local economic conditions which affect an individual's employment and income, which then, of course, affects their ability to access housing.
14:44:27 The systems of care and support and access and availability of various kinds of care and support services that affect.
14:44:34 The extent to which co-occurring health and behavioral conditions affect someone's ability to be stable on housing, and also the inverse. The extent to which.
14:44:42 Not being stable on housing worsens or exacerbates. Those occurring conditions excuse me. And then racism and other forms of systemic disadvantage and martial and marginalization
really interact with.
14:44:56 Everything else to create. The disparities that we see across this
14:45:01 Figure, so.
14:45:03 The takeaway. I guess that we're hoping that people can take up and repeat and spread is that this is foundational because addressing one factor won't really work in isolation
from addressing the others. The idea of kind of let's find the root, cause and address that is actually counterproductive.
14:45:17 The flip side of that is that.
14:45:19 The multiple factors contributing to a problem also means that multiple actions can add up to solving the problem. So that's an endorsement for a coordinated portfolio rather
than a competition for finding the best.
14:45:33 Solution and
14:45:36 This underlies some of the conceptual shifts which are sort of that next core element of the report that I'll hand it back to Jed to talk about.
14:45:42 Can I ask a question, Bridget, before you go to? That's.
14:45:43 Of course.
14:45:44 Leave us!
14:45:44 Yeah.
14:45:46 You know a lot of intriguing ideas on this, but.
14:45:49 I struggle to read about the kind of the different contributing factors.
14:45:56 Do you guys? Would you give any waiting to these different factors in in this theme? I guess I mean, there's some that are more fundamental than others. Right? The supply and
cost of housing is kind of a.
14:46:07 You know, a very defined problem, and and the, you know, systems of support, you know, operational support for some of our housing services. Those are very easy to see.
14:46:18 And I I think the other ones touch them. I guess I would wait them differently. And I'm curious.
14:46:23 You would respond to that.
14:46:23 I think that you know a universal waiting is.
14:46:29 Less relevant, probably, for your decision making than the local waiting right? How are these playing out in your local environment? And that you know. So, for the State to
declare a top down waiting would would probably be pretty counterproductive. But I think it's a matter both of what has more weight, but also what's under your control. So it's kind
of understanding the way they they work together. And being mindful of that, and being mindful of not inadvertently.
14:46:54 Undermining something in what you're doing. In one aspect.
14:46:57 But you know that your scope and your prioritization will come from that, you know, which is which is contributing more when and a lot of it has to do with the timeframe. You
know the when you're talking about a long term cost of housing. If you focus just on that. Then you're missing. We'll talk a little bit more about this one of our examples actually,
later, the, you know, the acute need. So it's.
14:47:17 It's it's the ways of trying to think about them, not as being in competition with each other, but kind of being in almost in coordination with each other, so that you know,
if you're working on one.
14:47:25 You're doing it in a way that's also working towards the other, even as you might be doing some waiting and prioritization. It's a little bit of a shift in thinking more so
than a.
14:47:35 A fixed conclusion about what matters most.
14:47:38 If that helps, yeah.
14:47:39 Yeah, thank, you.
14:47:45 We can go on to judge.
14:47:46 Sorry I was talk. I forgot it was on mute there for a second. I will add to it as well. But
14:47:53 You know they're.
14:47:55 Something we heard a lot of is a frustration that often, especially at the state level, what happens is.
14:48:02 When you know something is, there's a lot of attention on one of these aspects. A lot of funding goes to that which isn't necessarily bad. But what happens is that funding goes
to it by taking away from other things that off that also matter, and are important as well.
14:48:17 And so people kind of explained it as this pendulum shift, where we're constantly just putting money over here, and then we do that for a little bit, but then this other thing
brings our attention. So then the pendulum swings back.
14:48:29 Yes.
14:48:28 And we're a lot of this is really trying to reconceptualize of how these things work together. So we stopped having such dramatic pendulum swings, and it kind of stays more.
14:48:39 Stable across everybody, so that the long term plan everybody.
14:48:43 Kind of being able to build rather than wondering like next year. Am I gonna have the same funding, that type of thing.
14:48:50 Like some of that.
14:48:52 Gotcha.
14:48:52 Let me go to the next slide, then. So and that kind of gets into some of these conceptual shifts that we that kind of came out of everything. We're hearing from everybody, as
everything in the report did.
14:49:05 But.
14:49:07 These are these conceptual shifts are really mindset changes that move us away from current ways of thinking, that we're recognized as kind of a hindrance to some of the progress
that people really are advocating, for when it comes to housing security as a whole.
14:49:23 And as mindsets shape the actions and initiatives that we put into play, changing how we think about an issue can have a positive impact on the action than the initiatives that
we make as at the individual and systemic level.
14:49:35 To address housing security. Among these conceptual shifts. The 1st one is this holistic understanding of multiple contributing factors.
14:49:43 Which Bridget kind of talked about on that previous slide.
14:49:47 You know which this whole conversation of constantly looking for a root cause or handful.
14:49:52 Root causes can really hinder cause. It starts overlooking all the other factors that go into things.
14:50:00 The second conceptual shift is a shared, aspirational future that aims to break down the silos that are often unadvently built as people are focused in their areas and create
more intention into connection across the entirety of the Housing Security landscape.
14:50:17 We are more likely to make progress.
14:50:19 If.
14:50:21 All these related aspects see themselves as contributing to the same pathway forward and the same goals, rather than trying to compete with one another.
14:50:29 For instance, the need for immediate shelters is and more permanent housing. Both have a large or the larger same shared aspirational goal.
14:50:39 Of housing security for people in the long run, as they become more stable.
14:50:44 Last of the 3 shifts is a relationship of, or as a move to relationships of support, alignment, coordination, and a lot of our discussions with people, they regularly discuss
their desire.
14:50:55 To address, having security through fostering inclusivity and learning.
14:51:00 This came with the recognition that.
14:51:04 In the current system there tends to be a lot of exclusion and penalization in ways that seem counterproductive. For a lot of the goals people have for housing, security.
14:51:13 So this mindset shifts would prompt an assessment of the ways our current actions and policies actually make it difficult to meet the needs of people and the communities at
the localized levels.
14:51:26 And exclude important players who should or could have a role in housing security. Given the chance.
14:51:33 And so with those conceptual, those 3 main conceptual shifts in mind will also go to the guiding principles that we line outlined as well.
14:51:43 So the legislation.
14:51:45 Specifically called on the center to identify
14:51:49 Desired principles which we were grateful for and might have done anyway, because it's a particularly fitting way to approach this kind of complex issue, where context matters
so much, and where a wide range of views coexist about what matters most and what to do. And so we like to say a little bit about just what's the point of having guiding principles?
Before talking about the this, the content of a guiding principles that we identified through our discussion.
14:52:15 And the guiding principles are really kind of a scaffold for decision, making
14:52:21 In an ongoing fashion, so.
14:52:24 They're more about how to make choices, and less about what the kind of prescriptive actions can be at the level of the guiding principles, and also there meant not to be time
specific, but to kind of be enduring, so that even as situations change, and as you make progress on some fronts, maybe lag on others on the principles themselves, continue to be relevant.
14:52:41 And they're also meant to serve across roles and sectors and localities. So they're meant to serve as much for policy as service provision. You know as much for program implementation
as funding criteria and across different parts of the State, and the hope there is that we were charged for thinking about what would, what would contribute to statewide progress. So
this is a way, for even as people are doing different things that are tailored to different scales and contexts. Everything is kind of adding up to the same.
14:53:06 Direction, and you're getting alignment without getting prescriptive getting alignment without having to be prescriptive and everyone doing the same thing. And in this way they
also contribute to that kind of holistic approach that
14:53:19 We've already described, and.
14:53:21 The hope is that they can help when there is conflict, and difficult tradeoffs are being made, and things can sometimes see contradictory adversarial that regrounding the conversation
and the guiding principles can be a way forward, or a way of kind of pulling out from the conflict and and reorienting to the to the goal and.
14:53:39 We mentioned them balancing with consistency, because this is one of those seemingly contradictory things that came through a lot. There needs to be a certain amount of coherence
and oversight, but there also needs to be flexibility to be able to tailor things. Whether that's.
14:53:52 In the the geographic tailoring or the tailoring for an individual or a family. The tailoring for a program and for a population. That kind of works across scales as well.
14:54:02 And then they can also serve as a tool for periodic assessment kind of checking in over time the extent to which an organization or entity is aligning with the principles, and
this is more less about kind of compliance, and more about.
14:54:14 Collective accountability, and we'll give a little bit more of an example that on the next slide, but we'll we'll put up here. There were 11 guiding principles identified in
the report. They're in the report. If you have the link to download the report. So you can, you know. Take time to read them there, I'll I'll pause just for a minute to skim through
them, and then we'll, as Jed said, we'll give a couple of examples where we picked out a couple of them to talk about in a little bit more detail.
14:54:39 And you know, at the end.
14:54:40 After our examples, we can come back to whichever ones you're most interested in.
14:54:45 You know, we can speak to more of them, and they're they're really.
14:54:49 The the options for how to enact these guiding principles come through the recommendation. So we'll talk about those a little bit too.
14:54:54 But I'll I'll just pause for a few seconds at least, so you can skim them.
14:55:24 We'll we'll keep going. We can put this up again later. During the
14:55:29 Discussion period, too, if if you want to be able to look at them again. But for the sake of.
14:55:32 Moving through. So we just wanted to give an example of that. You know, what does this kind of assessment? Strategic thinking mean? And what.
14:55:44 What that says is that it's less about the principles being kind of a test or a checklist of yes no. Are we complying with this cutting principle, and more of an assessment
of.
14:55:55 To what extent are we already consistent with this principle, and what are the ways that we could go deeper? So we have a way that we've structured this in a worksheet that
I can put in the chat and and send and follow up to in case you want to use it. For yourselves. But if you click to the next one, Jed. We kind of framed that spectrum of, you know.
Is this something where in your organization or your community.
14:56:17 This is not even recognized as important? Or is it something that's actually already central to everything that you do? Or does it lie somewhere else on that.
14:56:25 Continuum of alignment. And then our worksheet has some prompt questions around, what are the opportunities that you would have to deepen your alignment. So in the next slide.
Jed. So this is sort of opportunities in different domains. Whether that's the the work that you do kind of your core function, the services you provide, or the, you know, policy and
decision making that you do as a board.
14:56:46 What?
14:56:47 Could change in your internal policies, how you communicate, how you monitor and assess, and then other domains that you might think of in your own.
14:56:55 Context, so that
14:56:58 That is just to kind of illustrate that for you. We can talk more about it later, if that's of interest. And, as I said, we'll make sure that you have the worksheet. That kind
of, you know, has all 11 principles and an opportunity to kind of walk through some of these prompt questions around them. And you know the in this way I'm I'm trying to reinforce what
Ed was saying earlier that this report as a whole is less about, you know, telling each each community exactly what they can do or what they should do around things, and more sort of
trying to help with the process.
14:57:23 Of strategic thinking, and how to make choices and.
14:57:26 Hopefully, maybe even help you get unstuck in places where you're where you might be stuck. Because it is. You know, it's it's such a huge issue where you really can't do everything
that you wish you could do.
14:57:36 So I'll say just a little bit about the recommendations in the report. There are 18 of them.
14:57:44 This slide just shows the big buckets, and then again the report, there's a. The executive summary of the purchase has a list of them. And then there's more discussion of them
throughout.
14:57:53 They're divided up into these areas of recommendations. They really. I always talk about them as kind of gears. So that sort of goes back to that 1st figure where you you, if
you're only trying to move one of them, or in your community. Only one of them is being moved. The rest of them are are unlikely. To be able to make progress as well. So we're gonna
pull out some of those 18 recommendations and talk about them a little bit more into examples that we're gonna show. But likewise we can.
14:58:17 You know, give you a sense of how to use the report, and then hopefully have a little bit of time to come back. If there are any specific challenges.
14:58:24 In your context that we could pull out and talk a little bit more about how the report might be useful.
14:58:30 For specific things that you're grappling with.
14:58:34 Yeah. So we picked 2 of the guiding principles to uses the entry point to talk through a couple of examples. One is this guiding principle about employing a sense of urgency
about both immediate needs and.
14:58:50 You know, initiating now urgently the steps that are needed for longer term changes and longer term.
14:58:56 Progress. And we're gonna talk about this principle in the context of, you know, housing directly. But it's also relevant around things like, you know the the care and support
services or around workforce capacity. So it's it's relevant a little bit across the board.
14:59:12 And this. The idea here is, that aligning with this principle requires both.
14:59:18 Attending to immediate mitigation of homelessness by expanding the options that are available.
14:59:24 But also the long-term expansion of the housing supply, the affordable housing supply, and the equitable access to that supply. And then something that really came through in
our discussions was prevention.
14:59:36 Of entry or reentry to homelessness by stabilizing both for individuals and by stabiling, existing housing stock.
14:59:42 And that is something that people identify as kind of falling through the gap.
14:59:46 So you know, we picked this one just the the question that was asked in the public comment period, about what is the scope of this Rfp. Is already an indicator of how Jefferson
County and Port Townsend.
14:59:57 Are putting these 2 things together. The homelessness, services, and the affordable housing are already part of a joint decision-making body. So you're.
15:00:05 Ahead of some places in terms of that that aspect of this recommendation. But there are some other potential actions that the report points to
15:00:15 So.
15:00:16 In thinking about these, it's probably worth mentioning. Probably none of these will be a surprise, but.
15:00:21 The tensions that we heard when people were talking. That kind of led to this principle were things like.
15:00:26 If you make zoning and other changes that might be good for building, housing is that inadvertently going to undermine options for emergency shelter or for temporary housing.
15:00:36 And is a focus. Jed alluded to this earlier. So focus too much on the supply of affordable housing, gonna detract from the acute needs of people who are currently experiencing
homelessness.
15:00:47 If will the people who most need it actually be the ones who can access the new build, the new housing that the new housing options that are created.
15:00:56 In reacting to the visibility and crisis.
15:01:00 Is that detracting from prevention, so that that gap around precarious housing.
15:01:05 A couple of the actions that are alluded to the report are,
15:01:09 Mutual assessments between related sectors and what we mean by that is.
15:01:14 When something is being considered.
15:01:18 The proactive assessment of where there might be unintended consequences for other relevant factors. So an example of this might be, if you're going to be building new housing.
How does that affect the school system? How does that affect? How does that affect? You know what infrast, what are the precursor needs what infrastructure would need to be in place.
That's something that we hear from rural counties with rural areas quite frequently.
15:01:39 You know what are the costs of meeting environmental standards? And how is that playing into things? How do those different.
15:01:44 All good interests, you know, need to be thought about together. And how might you be overburdening something inadvertently? And how could you be collaborating around, addressing
that
15:01:54 Acknowledging shared interests and housing stability. We heard.
15:01:59 We had conversations with people who have very different perspectives.
15:02:02 And it was interesting how often they were actually saying the same thing. So the vast majority of people who rent a home would like to be able to pay their rent on time, and
the vast majority of people own a home own a property that's rented want that same thing.
15:02:19 And a lot of attention sometimes gets focused on the the times where there are conflicts around that, and that draws a lot of the attention, but a lot of it might be just bolstering
those shared interests and finding some of those, for example, smaller scale investments that would stabilize people in housing. So whether that's.
15:02:37 You know, bridge loans that help people through unanticipated costs that are preventing them from being able to pay rent that month, or things that would help improve the quality
and the stability of the housing stock itself that.
15:02:51 Those are the things where they they do kind of fall in the policy gap.
15:02:54 And they might not necessarily be the same of investment, but they might really lessen the burden on the homelessness services system and on the affordable housing.
15:03:05 Time trajectory in which new housing is not going to be available as readily as perhaps improving the quality of existing housing. As a couple of examples, there.
15:03:16 The next little box on this slide just shows some of the other related guiding principles. This kind of goes back to the idea that.
15:03:26 The, the.
15:03:27 The different aspects of the report often work in concert. So it's not really that there are like a list of 11 things that you need to adhere to a lot of them. If you're working
on one, you're also working on others at the same time. And a couple of those examples are around. You know, the inability of the housing market to meet housing needs the need for a
multi sector response and the idea that the narratives about how you talk about the needs, how you talk about them also affects the extent to which.
15:03:51 The community can come together on solutions.
15:03:54 That's 1 example. Again, we can come back to any of that, or talk about something completely different. If that's of more interest when we have time. The next example.
15:04:03 I'll go through somewhat quickly. So we leave plenty of time for an open, ended thing. But it's it's related because this acute versus long term, seemingly being in competition
with each other. Sort of an example of this.
15:04:14 This principle of creating conditions that reduce competition and facilitate cooperation.
15:04:19 So some of the questions that emerged from what we people, what we heard from people are here on this slide, and a 1st one is
15:04:28 You know, all of this is a reflection of how systems do tend to be siloed, and in many ways are inherently designed to be either exclusionary or competitive, and.
15:04:37 When you really do need an all hands on deck approach that can be counterproductive and.
15:04:42 People who talk to us observed a lot of emphasis, a lot of talk about making it easier to collaborate, which was very important.
15:04:48 But there was a real interest in doing more to actively reduce competition.
15:04:54 Which is often not the lens that is used when thinking about cooperation, and that felt like there was a real sense of opportunity around it. Because without competition, it
seems like any effort to collaborate is always kind of hitting your head against the wall of competition. So that's when you know potentially provocative question to ask. And then.
15:05:14 When you are thinking about cooperation, it's sort of like what kind of cooperation is most useful. It doesn't necessarily mean that things have to be jointly implemented, with
lots of time spent, you know, in meetings and talking and planning and and working together. It might be more about.
15:05:26 Coordination or communication, and then.
15:05:28 Once you can figure out what is most useful, you can address some of the things that make it hard. The reality is that it does take time and resources. To have cooperation across
sometimes very diverse services and systems and policies.
15:05:42 And then, you know, our report has the theme throughout of kind of.
15:05:45 Wh, what is the knowledge base needed? So those questions about? If this is something that's important, how could you actually track it? And what you do. So in the same vein.
I won't talk through all of the examples about, you know opportunities, and and some of the recommendations that go around with them but A few things that we heard about.
15:06:05 We're definitely around eligibility in the sense that. There was kind of a lot of talk about eligibility cliffs that as people are moving in and out of systems and services
they're having to. There isn't really a coordinated.
15:06:18 A coordinated pathway in which your eligibility is is stable over time and is ramping up or ramping down and then the gap is the challenges around
15:06:28 People who need assistance and are not eligible because of how income limits are defined, or even just how homelessness is defined. the exclusion of some populations. Because
of the eligibility criteria, and then also around, you know who is able to be involved in the implementations. So a lot of times. Someone who could potentially be contributing is excluded
because they don't have a particular kind of capacity. And then it's over as opposed to trying to find ways to build capacity in the system.
15:06:53 Or to do matchmaking among implementers who might not know about each other, but from a policy perspective. You know who they are and might be able to put match capacities together.
15:07:04 Interdependence across jurisdictions is another area that came up a lot here where it can often be.
15:07:10 Seen as competitive because there is a you know, anywhere. But here people don't. People don't restrict themselves to political and
15:07:19 For infrastructure jurisdictions? But at the same time different places really do need different solutions and different approaches. So how can it? How can the response.
15:07:29 Statewide evolve in a way that allows that tailoring, but also makes less of a competition, and I think.
15:07:35 The urban needs versus rural needs are a great example of this, where they're often.
15:07:39 In the space in the statewide space together, as though they're in competition with each other. And are there ways that they could be more working towards the same, the same
aspirations.
15:07:48 And then, you know, some things here about like, how could the funding have the opportunities to reduce competition? And then how would accountability need to be.
15:07:56 In there. I post those questions, but we can come back and talk to them.
15:08:00 In more depth in a you know, whatever the time and interest calls for, and I think we also have a box here for.
15:08:05 Inter related guiding principles.
15:08:08 That go along with this.
15:08:12 So that that was a very quick, I guess I don't know teaser of, you know some of the like. We were giving this very huge scope of, you know, the whole state and everything that
has anything to do with housing security, which was A pretty was kind of an honor to be able to think about, zoom out and think about things in that way that are really difficult to
do. When you know, we're not housing experts. We're we're process experts. So.
15:08:35 Being able to kind of take that lens.
15:08:36 And and and make space for people to participate with each other across. That was really
15:08:42 The the point of what we were doing. But it does mean there's a lot of ground in the report, so we can. We can pick up on any thread that you want to, or talk more about anything
that's of interest. And I put this here because.
15:08:53 Also Peel, it doesn't end with today. If you, you know, have an additional short term question, we can always, just, you know, pick up the phone or have a quick chat, or if
you want us to come back and and work with you in more depth, we are. We're really pleased to have the opportunity with this report to have time after it wasn't just, you know, delivered
the report to the Legislature, and then walk away. We have a little bit of time to do these kinds of engagements.
15:09:16 After the fact.
15:09:18 Jed. And before we open up to questions anything you wanna anything you want to add to.
15:09:23 The.
15:09:22 No, I think the second, what Bridget said, like we are in this really unique, I mean, the Russell Center has been working with the legislature in a lot of different ways over
the.
15:09:31 Last.
15:09:32 20 something years.
15:09:35 Yet.
15:09:37 This is really our 1st time, where we got additional funding to make sure that we could go and disseminate the findings we had, rather than just put in a report that likely
gets put on a shelf.
15:09:47 And so we're happy to have that opportunity, and we have that funding now. It was supposed to only be 6 months, but it got extended. So now it's through the end of June.
15:09:58 Of 2025. So that's really exciting for us, and we're happy to help in any way we can.
15:10:04 That's great, Jed and Bridget. Thank you so much for the presentation, and maybe I'll kind of set the table a little bit here when Jed and I were talking before. It sounds like
there's kind of a statewide scope of the applicable application of this report, and also.
15:10:18 It can be used as a framework for us here locally, as we go about our New 5 Year plan and everything. So Jen and I, when we had our our conversation, and Vicki was there too,
I think
15:10:31 We talked about maybe having you guys back in March or April, or something to kind of
15:10:38 Help us with our work, basically. So I guess I just wanna set that out there. And I'm curious. Maybe first, st before I totally open it up.
15:10:47 Do you give the same message to the state that you give would give to us, or another small jurisdiction? I'm curious how the messaging is different between the State, and you
know that where the river meets the road.
15:11:00 Yeah, I mean, overall. The message is.
15:11:04 Pretty.
15:11:04 Similar. I mean, there's definitely some adaptation we do for each group like this one, the examples we used and everything we really pulled out things that we felt were applicable
to your all mission and your all's goals.
15:11:16 Around, housing.
15:11:19 And you know, with.
15:11:21 Legislators and stuff. With these conversations we're often talking more, looking specifically at some of the policies that they're putting into play and that kind of thing,
but overall.
15:11:29 Date.
15:11:30 Overarching message is the same cause. Like we said, part of this is about creating alignment, so that over time, as people kind of gear themselves towards the same thing over
time. There should be some more.
15:11:44 Increased alignment across everybody, so that even though people aren't doing the same thing, they're all working in the same direction as opposed to.
15:11:51 Sometimes getting in each other's way.
15:11:53 -Hum!
15:11:54 It's a and it's a i'm I'm thinking about the question because I'm I'm asking myself like, are there ways that I'm unconsciously changing, you know, changing the story because
we have some ways that we're caught. You know we are consciously doing some, you know. It's sort of trying to match it to your I don't know your your locus of control. And but I think
we're also trying to not make those things too separate, because it's partly what each.
15:12:16 Domain has the the power of the agency or the the scope to control, but also.
15:12:21 For the things that you that you're not controlling? Are you having a consistent narrative? And is it, you know? Is it are there ways that you can be folding that that in. And
I think the idea of trying to prepare the State level for for receiving that kind of.
15:12:37 Coherence is is ma is also part of it, you know. It's sort of like.
15:12:40 Sometimes.
15:12:41 There's like parts of the response that you're on the receiving end on. And you're the acting end on, and those are the reverse at the State level. So a little bit of.
15:12:48 We try to pay a little bit of attention to that. But in general it's the same overarching message, and and actually some of the same.
15:12:54 It's the same message about like trying to have it be a tool, right? Like we're not we we. Our process was not designed to say, Oh, you should, you know, change this eligibility
criteria to that eligibility criteria. It was like, these are the considerations you'd be thinking about when you're listening to challenges with eligibility, criteria, and so that
that message is also the same.
15:13:20 But.
15:13:14 Which is sometimes frustrating like it would be. It would be nice if we came in and said, Here's your here's your magic formula for fixing. But there, there isn't going to be
one. I'm afraid.
15:13:24 Thanks.
15:13:25 Alright. Well, thank you for that, and let's maybe open it up online first, st Amy or Audrey. Any questions or or comments to share with with Janet.
15:13:36 Not directly. My initial instinct with this is, how do we use it in our ongoing community?
15:13:46 Right.
15:13:46 Which is more of an internal question than a question for Jed or Bridget.
15:13:50 Deb.
15:14:09 And I love it.
15:13:52 Okay, great. Well hit, raise hand or unmute and interject if another question comes along and we'll turn it to the room. Anyone else, Julie, would you mind joining us up here
on the data? So we're not talking to your back. We didn't have a great table setup. Sorry. I think it's the residue of our.
15:14:11 I will say that one, Amy, to your question. I know it was kind of more of an internal thing, but.
15:14:16 I would say, a benefit of this report when you are thinking about that is to recognize that.
15:14:21 What is in this report is common themes that came across people from across the State, from across jurisdictions, across sectors.
15:14:30 And there's those messages that were the same in all those areas.
15:14:33 Which.
15:14:34 Becomes really powerful when you can get people to recognize.
15:14:40 This is something that is shared across this state. And this is something that a lot of people who are doing this work, who are living this life who have experienced these issues.
15:14:50 All are coming and saying, we're needing these same things. And so that can be a pretty powerful tool to one. Give support to something that you might be thinking about doing,
but also again, to then really check yourselves as well on.
15:15:04 How aligned with this! And if we feel like the alignments not right, how do we become more aligned, and what small.
15:15:10 Small changes can we make to what we're already doing to create better.
15:15:13 With the resources we currently have.
15:15:17 Also give it, giving people the reassurance that they're not alone in that. It is part of a bigger picture is huge, actually.
15:15:23 Yeah.
15:15:23 This is my day. Job is actually in affordable housing. I'm sitting in habitat for humanity office right now. So.
15:15:32 Thanks. Yeah. One question. Looking at recommendation, the holistic eligibility. I'm curious. If you found
15:15:41 Because this is more from the perspective of eligibility for people experiencing that their eligibility for receiving services. Or is this more for speaking to
15:15:55 Providers and and housing developers who have to struggle with eligibility for certain funding programs.
15:16:03 Hmm.
15:16:04 Thanks for that question it. Most of what we heard was centered around the former. So most of it was talking about the struggles around. You know, people.
15:16:12 You know it.
15:16:13 Certainly. Way.
15:16:14 Way, more people being eligible than there are resources available for people. You know, having a small increase in income and not causing them to lose their eligibility, and
therefore having to even change their housing. People having, you know, being eligible for 1 1 service, but not for another, and then it's flipping and even just having to book it.
So most of it was around those that you're all nodding. So you know you you can imagine everything I'm talking about.
15:16:38 That said in in the conversations and in the dissemination, and and a little bit in the report, people also observed the parallel issue for
15:16:48 I guess people implementing the response and struggling to find a categorical word. But yeah, so that is, you know, that's some of the piece around the that might come through
a little bit more on the diversity of implementation, which is a different recommendation. I'm struggling to remember the number. But that is the issue around, you know. Do you have
to be?
15:17:06 Different kinds of developers, participating and different sizes and what they would need in order to be able to be successful implementers. So it's it's both an.
15:17:18 Inclusion, execution, criteria, and also a support, so that some of those same things that there are people who would like to be contributing to the response who are not able
to because of overly bounda resonated. So I think it's the the answer is both that particular language around that particular recommendation is more focused on on the the people, the
families and individuals who are eligible, but kind of the the pattern.
15:17:42 Through.
15:17:42 And I would also add to that that this connects to the conceptual shift of like shared systems of support and stuff as well.
15:17:52 Because.
15:17:53 There was a lot of recognition that you know there's these metrics that are set up for eligibility, and the moment someone falls short the response is often that penalization
of what you fell short. So we're gonna take your funding. And this was a failure rather than that.
15:18:06 That look into? Why did you fall short? And what can we do to help support you, to get you where you need to be rather than just say, Well, do you lose funding? Sorry? Do bad.
15:18:15 And that type of thing and kind of really looking at.
15:18:18 Some of those metrics that we're using? Do those metrics make sense? Do we need to shift some of those metrics? What is needed for the context that we're specifically looking
at in that moment. And how can we create support rather than penalization? For not.
15:18:32 For not.
15:18:33 Hitting those eligibility, criteria.
15:18:38 Yeah, like, where? Where can we build in more flexibility?
15:18:43 And and the programs that exist to.
15:18:46 Allow for more of a seamless kind of moving through the continuum.
15:18:54 It.
15:18:56 We. I alluded to this earlier.
15:18:59 The desire for more flexibility was very salient. The challenges of actually implementing this idea of flexibility also came through. We had a whole workshop really, just about
that, and it. And it was.
15:19:08 I think.
15:19:10 There are ways in which.
15:19:13 It's it's.
15:19:14 The more the less flexible something, the easier it is to implement and measure. And so it's almost like the way forward needs to include a little bit of measuring. Have you
tried being flexible? And in what ways did that flexibility have the intended effects? Or, you know, it's like there needs to be a little bit of.
15:19:31 Thinking and learning around the issue of implementing flexibility. Because it. If you just created more flexibility, it would kind of be in a vicious cycle of just looking
like you're not achieving the things because the system is designed to measure for kind of consistency. So that that was a layer that might be more of.
15:19:48 A message at the State level about what the expectations are, but to the extent that you have the opportunity at a local level to ask some questions and and do some learning
that might not be quite as formal as things you have to report, but is an opportunity for you to say, let's try this flexibility, pilot.
15:20:03 Let's learn from it, you know. Maybe let's document it and share it. And you know, other people in the State would be really excited to hear about it. And those kinds of things
like a learning message in there as well. I think that's hampering progress around this, that particular show of flexibility.
15:20:16 Bridget to follow up on that, I mean. Often it seems like as rules water fall down from the Feds to the State, to the local governments, you know there's not. There's no interface
backup right? And we end up with.
15:20:30 You know. Well, meaning checklists. So things can be measured that end up being well, make sure you hit everything on the checklist, and that doesn't add to flexibility that
creates.
15:20:42 I'll work just making sure you hit. Oh, there's 100. 0, now you know, the State added 30 more things to the checklist. So okay, there's 35 more things that you check off. So
instead of agile development, you have this kind of.
15:20:53 Clunkier and clunkier system as it gets closer to implementation.
15:20:58 And there's no question there. Just frustration.
15:21:00 Well, no! And I.
15:21:00 Yeah, yeah, you're you're not alone in that. In that frustration it's something we can say, at at least some small.
15:21:06 But if you add to what Bridget said with that.
15:21:09 And kind of also going back a little bit to.
15:21:11 What I had mentioned after Amy's question as well is.
15:21:17 That.
15:21:17 Ideally with this continued alignment. You know, we tried this. It worked well, we documented it. And yeah, maybe the numbers weren't astronomical. But the people we did it
with. It did help them, and.
15:21:29 You know, part of this is also recognizing that maybe some metrics need to stop being like, Hey, we helped a hundred people get into a housing, and then we never checked on
like how long they stayed in that housing.
15:21:39 But it should be more like, yeah, we helped 5 people get into housing, but now they are completely stable and are there. And that's a different form of measurement.
15:21:47 And if.
15:21:48 We have those successes and people are starting to buy into those successes in different locations across Washington.
15:21:56 Again. This report was not for the Federal Government, so I.
15:21:59 Can't really say like, how great like that would be. But ideally, it's different. Communities are trying these different things and communicating with each other and sharing
their activities and alignment.
15:22:11 That also gives local jurisdictions and communities.
15:22:16 More fodder to go to the State and say like, Here's what we've all been doing and like you will need to help us.
15:22:22 To implement these things in new ways. And hopefully, this date would, you know, the more local communities are all going to this date as a unified front, saying, This is what
we're doing.
15:22:31 That can have, and then, ideally, that would give Washington maybe some flexibility to do that with Federal government. But I'm I'm a little more pessimistic. There on that
one.
15:22:41 Maybe with the State.
15:22:42 The report does have a whole recommendation about. We use the term knowledge management. But just for this whole idea of, and I think there is.
15:22:50 The potential to, you know, flipping it into a little bit of a virtuous cycle in which I think there's. And I think so. That message has gone to the State, you know, and I think
commerce has has been using our report very much as they've been developing their new homelessness, at least homelessness, response, plan, and I think there's, you know, this, this
idea of actually some more like lateral exchange of learning across different places, and some of the.
15:23:15 Surprising ways that you know, counties that might not look alike on paper, actually having experiencing things. And some. There's some messages about that like, if you could.
15:23:23 Leapfrogs and things, and everybody not just being in their own isolated things that they're trying. And just, you know, more different gathering different kinds of information,
having more routine, qualitative data collection as part of the process, like some of those things, are in the work. So I think, as Jed is saying, if there's a there's kind of a bottom
up reinforcement of the things that are useful to you, I think there's there's at least glimmers of potential that there would be kind of a meeting a meeting in the middle of the.
15:23:50 Alright!
15:23:46 Of the way, because it's a you know, it's not really working at either level. It's not like the State is super pleased with how you know metrics and measurement is going and
employ, you know. So I think that there's there's.
15:23:56 I try to always like, insert as much hope as I can into into.
15:24:01 These conversations I have to say something at least once is my role.
15:24:08 Off.
15:24:06 It can be, it can be easy to be overwhelmed. And that's just looking at it all, you know, from the outside, we, you know, we definitely recognize how much more true that is
for those of you who are like things.
15:24:16 On on the ground.
15:24:17 So to speak.
15:24:18 You know. Reach out to us, too. If.
15:24:22 Great.
15:24:20 If you need a voice. You know we we are able to help, too. So.
15:24:25 Yeah.
15:24:25 After.
15:24:25 Yeah, we, I mean, we. We had a convening that was specifically focused on on counties, you know, that have rural areas. And I was pleased. There was. There were several people
from Jefferson County there we had Clad county. We had.
15:24:36 I mean, at least, you know, we got really good representation. And it was it was really helpful. So we appreciated that.
15:24:41 Bottom up, but we will. We will keep that in mind.
15:24:45 Other questions or comments.
15:24:48 Yeah. 1st of all, I wanna really.
15:24:51 Say how much I appreciate the work that you guys did, and how you.
15:24:56 Went through the process and the engagement. That was it was really what I participated in.
15:25:03 And having sat through the sessions, and having actually read most of the report.
15:25:09 It's overwhelming.
15:25:11 It can be very overwhelming, especially, I think, and trying to think about. How can I use this and implement it in a very practical way. So my question is this, we have been
going through a process that was self selected by service providers of doing and needs assessment.
15:25:30 To talk about our own particular dynamics or on the ground experiences, qualitative data, bringing in the qualitative.
15:25:42 And those conversations have been really productive in pointing out barriers and gaps right and.
15:25:50 My sense of the report is kind of like.
15:25:54 Here's the things that you can think about that would potentially shift.
15:26:00 This very complex situation, and trended in a, you know, a shared aspirational direction.
15:26:10 So I'm a little bit hesitant to actually take the report. And we actually different method to look at the specific needs around different demographics.
15:26:23 But how can I kind of mill these 2 approaches? And being a policy person myself, and also a data nerd I feel comfortable with it.
15:26:36 But I'm not often sure that I would really feel comfortable about room of service for providers who might find it very frustrating to.
15:26:47 Go through. Select some of the examples that you have present here.
15:26:53 So my sense is maybe to do some of the background. And I I'm wondering what you would say to that approach.
15:27:01 How? How's the best way to make this accessible to people.
15:27:06 That they really feel like that.
15:27:08 You know it's meaningful and not just kind of an abstract.
15:27:14 Exercise, because.
15:27:17 To be honest as a county, I think one of the biggest barriers that we have is that we don't have a lot of capacity.
15:27:25 Because we're the low end of the.
15:27:29 The economic scale. And we're we just don't have a lot of capacity and can expect the service providers to do it. And we have, you know, volunteer at this level. So it it's
a challenge that way.
15:27:52 Well, I will say that that.
15:27:57 Hmm.
15:27:55 Not the 1st time we've heard that, and you know it is.
15:27:58 I mean, in a lot of ways we were again writing this to. We were trying to make it very accessible to a lot of people. But our primary audience was the State legislature, as
they were the ones who funded it all, and.
15:28:11 Of that but this is something with.
15:28:13 Thinking through right now, recognizing that accessibility of the language in the report, I mean, not everyone has.
15:28:21 Time to read an 82 page report, and if we're being transparent, 82 pages was short for what we could have said, and all that.
15:28:31 But you know we've done some work in Bellingham and Watcom County area in those areas as well.
15:28:39 And so right now we are kind of.
15:28:41 Thinking through, how do we create.
15:28:45 Additional documents to go along with the report that make this information a little more accessible to people. And to make it.
15:28:53 Easier to understand for people who I mean. I I recognize that you know.
15:28:59 I am very privileged in the fact that I get paid to read reports like this, and think through things, and not everyone has the time to do those types of things and have that
life.
15:29:08 And that there's a lot more acute response.
15:29:11 That hinder people from doing that? So that is currently something we're thinking through. So I don't know if I have a full, solidified answer for you on that right now.
15:29:20 Except for we are thinking through it and trying to figure out what it would look like for us to create that. And
15:29:25 We could definitely keep you all in mind as we go through that. But they do want to add.
15:29:32 Just.
15:29:31 What we did if he we've done it. Oh, sorry.
15:29:34 Yeah, just just say that again. It wasn't criticism. It's like you said up front. This is a different.
15:29:42 Viewpoint.
15:29:44 We're all.
15:29:45 Yeah.
15:29:45 System, understanding.
15:29:47 So i. 1 thing I do notice that people really think about the challenges.
15:29:55 That's where your energy and attention goes right? So we could start with maybe one or 2 big challenges.
15:30:03 Let's think about how we could use report as a tool to.
15:30:08 Talk through as you did in your examples. I think that would be.
15:30:13 Really beneficial, and one of the big ones that I see is that there.
15:30:21 As Audrey is pointing out, is, there's essentially no.
15:30:24 No system focus on seniors. And we have.
15:30:28 Not only the highest senior share population in the in the State, but it's, I understand, where the second highest population is in the.
15:30:43 Country.
15:30:44 Yeah.
15:30:45 So you know, in the fact that as Washington State University found, you know, senior percentage of seniors in the population is a second larger predictor of homelessness. You
know.
15:31:02 Yeah.
15:31:00 Anyway, so you can see what we're dealing with here.
15:31:03 And.
15:31:03 I think that that is a very
15:31:06 Equal.
15:31:08 Ye.
15:31:06 So that would be a good challenge to start with.
15:31:10 Yeah.
15:31:11 Then take this report and use it to address that challenge.
15:31:17 We have this message about. You know the complexity and needing to have the whole of it in mind. But it's what you're describing is also, I think, a very feasible way of using
report, which is to start with something specific.
15:31:28 You know, and I think what the report would help you do then, is to have slightly more expansive thinking about it. Right? So if you're thinking, okay? Well, when it comes to
older adults in in Jefferson County. You know what? And there's these couple of recommendations that talk about the variety of housing options or the the workforce capacity, you know,
whichever 2 or 3 feel most relevant, and then a couple of the principles where you could just say, Okay, well, if we did these at, we.
15:31:52 Here's some options for what we might do. If we did these would they would.
15:31:57 Would they be helping us align more with this idea of you know what's the narrative, or what you know? Some of those, I think that you can. That could be a really good way.
And and it it's that is not
15:32:08 Like I don't know misusing the report, or you know the end giving the reassurance that, like whatever entry point you use, I think that's that's not. It's not going to.
15:32:18 I think the report can help, and that's a i think that would be a very good way of using it, and we did a couple of workshops, you know. Deb was alluding to this where we we
picked one recommendation and really focused on that. And we're trying to just at least take those materials and and generalize them a little bit so that they could be reusable. So
that would even be an ex. You know we did one on precarious housing, for example. So we're gonna we're in the middle of, and the and actually one on guiding principles. That that's
I put it in the chat. And I'll email it. That's how that works she came about. It's not.
15:32:42 Fancy, but it's functional.
15:32:45 So I I think that that's a that would be a great way, and it wouldn't be out of keeping with the the purpose in any in any way.
15:32:53 Yeah.
15:32:53 And I think what it does is then it allows so like, Bridget said. If you start with.
15:32:58 You know, an issue like senior housing issues.
15:33:03 And you start with, okay, what are some of these recommendations that seem connected? Let's think through those. Okay. These are some potential actions we could see potentially
doing.
15:33:12 Help, this.
15:33:13 And then taking that step back and saying these actions that we are thinking through.
15:33:18 Which one's aligned pretty well with the guiding principles. Which ones do we have the resources for in our community.
15:33:26 If we don't have the resources, who might we be able to connect to our resources? Or is that just something we can't do at this time, but we maybe put.
15:33:37 And you know a PIN in it, while we continue to do what we have resources for and look for other resource options. And that type of thing, and really have those tough conversations
with.
15:33:46 Your community. And that is kind of the other.
15:33:49 Thing about this is really being about those resources, and but also recognizing that again.
15:33:56 Expanding resources might mean looking in.
15:33:59 To building relationships and partnerships with people that you hadn't really thought about partnering with before to do that.
15:34:06 And that type of thing.
15:34:09 Okay.
15:34:10 Other questions.
15:34:16 Yes. Oh, yeah.
15:34:12 I have one for you, and then we should probably wrap up unless there's.
15:34:17 So.
15:34:18 You know this.
15:34:19 Funding board really deals with about up to 60 of ami, right, you know, up to permanent support of housing some workforce housing, but really.
15:34:29 Past that we don't have funding to do it.
15:34:32 But it's still part of the problem. Right? I would. I would argue that supply is the biggest.
15:34:36 The biggest contributor to the issue. And like, when you were talking about Principal H, and reducing.
15:34:43 Competition.
15:34:44 You know, 95% of the housing units that are going to be created are going to be created.
15:34:48 You know, driven by the invisible hand of the market, right? So.
15:34:52 What's the message to the Legislature about.
15:34:56 You know the the competitive housing markets? How does that align with producing competition? I mean, you know.
15:35:02 I'm all in favor of supporting our environment, but we easily have 10 times as much money in our county supporting fish compared to human habitat. So.
15:35:15 What? What can? What message is going to the legislature about that.
15:35:19 I.
15:35:19 Yeah, maybe a hundred. Well, there's 5 million for the shelter. I'm trying to be generous. I mean, we've got 150.
15:35:27 There's there's.
15:35:27 Wow!
15:35:29 2.
15:35:31 There's 2 pieces I would name, although I cannot.
15:35:36 I certainly can't promise, uptake on any of those things. We can't guarantee that we will be listened to, but I think one of the guiding principles, is recognizing that the
housing market.
15:35:45 Is not going to self like it's it. The solution needs to be separate. So this assumption that they're in some ways the market will sort itself out. So that is like a that would
be a pretty big mindset shift, I think, if that could be more widely recognized. And kind of this is like this is not a political statement. That's a neutral statement. It's just.
15:36:00 You can observe that. And it's just, you know, and I think there's.
15:36:04 Based on our conversations, increasing recognition of that, or it wouldn't have been a guiding principle across the board. And we spoke to, you know a pretty wide range of views,
and so.
15:36:12 Th. That's an opportunity to maybe.
15:36:15 Have that message not be coming from you when you convey like. Here it is. It's it's actually a guiding. So in that sense of. You know how you're how you're pushing up for change.
And I think that another piece is there's a i mentioned the recommendation about cooperation against jurisdictions. But there's also recommendation about doing a better job of recognizing
the geographic variability and the ways in which.
15:36:36 You know some of these criteria are not that meaningful the way resources are disproportionate to the need and and that, I think, is another one of those places where, if that
could be more.
15:36:47 Localized. It would then be a lesson that could then potentially be generalized right? Because every place is struggling with these same issues. But some of them are more salient
than others, like an urban area versus an area where you know more of the environmental issues are being in place. So that that idea that these
15:37:04 The the balance of forces is gonna be different in every place, and maybe some of the ways that that
15:37:10 How the how the various policies interact with each other needs to be looked at more closely because it there isn't really a great.
15:37:15 People name those things. But you know, people who work in environmental stewardship probably don't spend as much time talking to each other as.
15:37:22 People in housing as they should. The smaller the place, the more that happens just because you you maybe it's just because you know each other because it's so small. But it
maybe in some more structured ways of that, that alignment across different policy areas.
15:37:35 So that that kind of allowing those issues to be recognized and grappled with in a more localized way. But the just, the message about the market. It's in the report it we heard
it from everybody.
15:37:49 Everybody across the range, and our conversations included people in the private sector developers real estate. It's.
15:37:55 So it's it's in there.
15:37:58 When I think at.
15:37:59 So feel free to pick it up.
15:38:01 Jackie.
15:38:02 Geographical variability as well. I think it goes.
15:38:05 You know, those are messages we've tried to send as well like population is not necessarily a good marker for.
15:38:12 The funding that should go in towards things which is kind, like often a thing right now, like.
15:38:17 I mean.
15:38:18 You hear it with every issue in the State. But the I 5 corridor gets the attention. And that's not always.
15:38:27 What's needed partially, because, like, as you're saying, you know, in smaller towns.
15:38:33 They? There might need to be some greater investment than what the population would show, because it's not just about building 3 house like 3 apartment complexes. It's about
building some family homes. But in order to do that, you also have to put in new sewer lines, you need to put a lot more in infrastructure investment in to be able.
15:38:52 To build those houses in a way that.
15:38:55 Like, you know, I live in Seattle.
15:38:58 Those things are already here. You just got to build the house and get the zoning change, and you can easily tap into the city's water. Pretty quickly, so like recognizing that
sometimes those.
15:39:08 Advocating for the maybe the population metrics are not the metric, for how.
15:39:14 Funding should be spread out as well is.
15:39:18 Not necessarily something stated in this, but I think this report could give you enough.
15:39:23 Fodder to make those types of arguments as well.
15:39:27 Frank.
15:39:29 Okay.
15:39:31 Last, thoughts.
15:39:32 I guess. Just thanks, Jed. Thank you, Bridget, and we'll we'll try to schedule some time with you to really use this report in our own work as we as we come to starting to draft
the 5 Year Plan and and working through those processes. So thank you so much for all your work. It's it's an impressive report. And I I think there's a lot of a lot of meat in there
that that we can use as well and.
15:39:55 You never need to amplify any message backup upstairs. Let us know.
15:40:00 Great. Thank you for that. Thanks for having us.
15:40:03 Thanks for being with us.
15:40:04 Thanks a lot.
15:40:04 Take care!
15:40:06 Alright!
15:40:09 Okay, I'll give a quick report on the American emergency shelter. Then we'll jump into the Rfp. 1st talking about the funding amount with Judy.
15:40:18 The shelter at the American Legion, I think, is going really well. We continue to have bi weekly coalition meetings. Julia is, is representing us there and and bringing them
to the Recovery Cafe, so that we can, thanks to Dove House. Yes, appreciate it.
15:40:36 And then we're having action meetings with stakeholders every 2 weeks as well. So you know, some of the challenges, like the the release of information has been, I believe,
fully addressed to to this point, you know, just kind of sent back to where it was, where it's completely voluntary. You can always resend it, and they've created a you know, a more.
15:41:00 Basically just a milder way of notifying the the bartender upstairs. If anyone is being exited and without identifying, if they're a resident or a friend or a staff member.
Just this person's distressed and is leaving
15:41:14 So so be aware, without identifying. So no, no release needed, and everyone seems pretty satisfied with that. B side continues to do really? Well, I think they're fully staffed
at this point, and
15:41:29 Anyone that's interested in joining the Shelter meeting, except for a forum of the Housing Fund Board, is is welcome to. So it's it's a wide table for people to be active.
15:41:38 Julian, do you wanna throw anything else in there?
15:41:42 No.
15:41:42 I mean. No, I'm trying to keep experience showing up.
15:41:46 Yeah, and they are, and participating in the conversation. So.
15:41:50 I think it's great. I think I I don't remember what the online newsletter is. The newspaper something right reporting on it this week kinda I think was.
15:42:04 They said that the the.
15:42:07 Contract would not be renewed again after a year. They're reporting with the American Legion. I've not.
15:42:16 Have that conversation. I've heard that that doesn't surprise me, but I don't think I mean it's all it's been year to year for years, so.
15:42:24 We. Still, we're working with all you know possible haste to get the the new one built, but that is a real possibility that they would not renew it next year, working on the
phase 3 plan, and and trying to find a path to.
15:42:47 To getting it done, and the question becomes similar to what we faced at the end of last year, if there's a gap right in time.
15:42:56 Then what do we do in the meantime? So it's better to kind of be able to prepare in advance.
15:43:07 Then we know what the the.
15:43:10 The resource.
15:43:13 Demand is, gonna be, yeah, we need to. I think I mean, we'll we're in constant communication with with the American Legion. So hopefully, those those conversations just can
continue to happen. And my hope and this is not this is the hope. All you know is that by continuing to work with them, and and having them at the table. That they are, are patient
when it inevitably takes longer than one year.
15:43:37 So.
15:43:38 I think I heard Viola say today this morning that.
15:43:43 One of the things with the grant for casual brown is that it's easy to get money for permanent supportive housing and for other parts of what that building represents. It's
hard to get money for shelter.
15:43:59 I think that's what she said earlier today. And.
15:44:03 I mean, where there's enough money there was money, there's not enough money to build it. We can't repurpose that money that's for permanent support to a different, a different
use it has to that. Money has to be used at that site. For that those purposes, I think they are looking at the design. But really it's also I believe it's kind of a holding pattern
for the congressionally directed spending at this point.
15:44:28 Some advocates and lived experience and community people involved in that, looking at it because that did not happen at all. The 1st time around it was drawn on a napkin, and
from there that it became a design.
15:44:38 There was no public input.
15:44:41 Yeah, I would like public input. I've asked that if there is a a chance to change the design that you'd be involved, Julia.
15:44:48 Oh, good! Thank you, cause I think you made points last time.
15:44:54 Okay. Any other questions.
15:45:00 All right. Oh, is. Is the is somebody organizing food? I've talked to a number of people who are interested in donating food and have not been contacted. Melanie Jackson from
new life. Church is is leading that effort. We they think they're gonna get all the contracts in place by.
15:45:20 September. I'll try to recall the details like each. They're trying to get groups to sign up for like a week per month, or for every other month. New, like church is gonna sign
up for a a week. They wanna create opportunities for just people to come in and help. Leads have to have a food food safety card, but not everyone.
15:45:45 That's volunteering has to have a food safety card. They're going through background checks. Traditionally, people that are helping with the the food have not had to do. You
know, more intensive background check. And and I believe that that is, they found that is true. If you're just coming, and there's, you know, other supervision. You're not. You're not
the sole support there. Then, yeah. As long as one person in each group has a food food handlers card it's good.
15:46:10 Good, no background checks. And I think it's gonna start in in September, starting to fill out that calendar. We can probably attach to the minutes. That link. I don't have
it. Maybe it hasn't gone out yet. Okay, meeting next week at the Shelter Coalition. Hopefully, we'll be able to publish it, and we'll we'll push. We'll put it up on the on the
15:46:30 Connected to the this group, as well.
15:46:31 Do we have any idea how how those performing to budget.
15:46:38 I was doing really well, I mean, Judy can speak more. I know. The 1st month. I think it ended up. The reimbursement was only 14 K. Versus the 25 K. But, Judy, do you want to
speak to that?
15:46:48 I can. So the 25,000 is what was being sent at the beginning of every month. So for July and August.
15:46:56 When we got the report back in August for July. It was.
15:47:01 They only spent 14,000 and change of the 25,000.
15:47:05 So the way that works per the contract is.
15:47:10 The payment that for September.
15:47:13 Reduces based on the money they still have from the rich, from the 20. So it's gonna leapfrog.
15:47:20 So it's it's a little confusing.
15:47:23 But it's gonna leapfrog. And so I'll be working with the finance person at Bayside.
15:47:30 And we'll get some kind of a statement, because there's they are also receiving donations.
15:47:35 Monetary donations.
15:47:37 That are gonna impact the running of the shelter. So there's we're still ironing out what we really need. But that's how it's gonna work. It's just so when we get our report,
September 15.th
15:47:50 For August, if it's less again than in.
15:47:55 October for October. We will reduce our payment. Our 25,000.
15:48:01 And they are fully staffed now they've hired up, so I'm sure they'll probably expend a little bit more money. I know that Elizabeth was kind of pulling some doubles to train
folks personally on the overnight shifts and everything. And Judy and Amanda I think both also got. I'm not sure if we mentioned here, but 6,000 grant for food. So that really helped
with the kind of the food budget side which is really not budget at all. So that's good.
15:48:24 It's just under 10,000.
15:48:26 Yeah, okay.
15:48:26 And so.
15:48:27 Yeah, so it's just under 10,000. So we will be able to apply for reimbursement on that portion of.
15:48:34 Those expenditures.
15:48:36 And I think the plan is for those folks, like individuals wanting to come in over the weekend or something there, and a plan. So there'd be a leader for each shift, basically
on on the weekends.
15:48:49 Well, let's jump into the Rfp. As busy day. But Judy, you wanna take it away and and look at what we could do for the both the.
15:49:00 The recording fee and $1590.
15:49:04 Mealy.
15:49:04 Okay.
15:49:05 Oh, Neil, do you need any like a.
15:49:06 Couple sentences of background. When we talk about the Rfp. Or have you been briefed at all on.
15:49:12 I haven't. But go ahead. I'm I'm good.
15:49:14 Assume, assume that city council has told Neil nothing.
15:49:17 Okay, do you mind?
15:49:17 We just threw them to the wolves directly.
15:49:21 Yeah, this is like the most important thing we do. This is like just a quick note, real quick. We have 2 funds. We get. We get funds from recording fees that go to. That we
have a competitive rp, we do one rp. For both on 1 49 is recording fees that are used for shelter primarily, and then we have on 148, which comes from a 1 10th of 1% sales tax in both
the city and the county.
15:50:00 Hey! Hey! Greg!
15:49:44 And that goes to. There's an Rcw. That dictates. That is kind of pretty much duplicated on the Rfp. So 60% of that has to go to kind of basically construction of new shelter
for people in particular categories under app or.
15:50:01 Yeah.
15:50:02 Using a lot of numbers and acronyms.
15:50:05 Sorry I'm trying to go back, so if it helps I just read through a bunch.
15:50:12 Of the Rfps.
15:50:13 Okay for another committee.
15:50:15 And and so it's not so bad. I'm I'm kind of keeping up, and there's homeless, homeless housing, and we have 2 funds that we do one Rfp. For, and so some projects might qualify
for both. Some might qualify just for one.
15:50:29 We used to have a lot more recording fee funds for shelter the 1 49. But those have gone down a lot with the interest rate, hike and everything, though we did have us a big
hit. I wonder if right wasn't that on reporting fees.
15:50:43 I'm sorry.
15:50:44 The the big.
15:50:45 Yeah, I mean, it's we don't know yet.
15:50:49 That that would be more beats. Sorry. Yeah. And then 149 is a sales tax, and that's for affordable housing and operations of affordable housing.
15:51:00 So that's we'll we'll go over the Rfp. In more detail here and again and again. But we're just jumping into this cycle right now to get it done by. We'll go over the dates and
everything. But we wanna make sure that we get this into the county's budget process. So we have a an approved budget for the 2025 awards. So Judy is our our finance director at the
county, and she's.
15:51:24 And talk a little bit about.
15:51:26 What we have.
15:51:28 Nice.
15:51:28 Okay.
15:51:29 So
15:51:31 Actually it's it's looking fairly decent. Especially for affordable housing. I was. It was nice to see. The revenues are not lagging too far behind. So what I have showing here
is the 2024 budget, and then the 2024 actuals, as of today, and a lot of the revenue has been posted.
15:51:53 But there, there might be more in August that I'm not aware of yet, but it's as of today.
15:52:00 So
15:52:03 This is the county sales use tax.
15:52:06 14 0, 6.
15:52:07 It was budgeted 148. We've received 17,000.
15:52:12 So if you look here, this is the budget for 148, and here's the actuals for 1 48.
15:52:18 Okay.
15:52:19 So we budgeted 800,000 in sales, and we have received 490,861, and that is 61 36% of budget.
15:52:31 Which is a little behind.
15:52:34 It's a little behind for the end of August, because we're theoretically.
15:52:39 Or monthly, of course.
15:52:40 The end of month 8.
15:52:43 Can you sign? Can this get bigger.
15:52:46 Oh, it needs to be bigger. I'm sorry.
15:52:48 Sex.
15:52:49 How's that?
15:52:50 That's much better. Thank you. Full screen, too.
15:52:55 Okay, I'll make it full screen.
15:52:57 So, Judy, this isn't the like 2 months behind and reporting like we often are for budget. Okay, thanks.
15:53:07 Yeah.
15:53:08 Thank you.
15:53:11 The word.
15:53:06 It's as of today, which is kind of nice to say no, nothing.
15:53:12 75% of the way through. And it's at 61% of revenue.
15:53:15 That is correct.
15:53:17 So. So we have theoretically $9,000 to collect before the end of the year.
15:53:24 So.
15:53:26 It's been averaging between 70 and 75,000 per month.
15:53:30 A couple of months dip lower than that. But on an average it's in that 75,000 a month.
15:53:38 Good.
15:53:38 Okay.
15:53:39 So it's not too much less than what we actually budgeted.
15:53:43 Investment interest is still going Busters. We really.
15:53:48 I mean, the expectation is gonna drop in 25.
15:53:53 So we, you know.
15:53:56 I I may just keep, I'm thinking, for budget. We're just gonna keep it at 15,000 in 1 48, because of the higher
15:54:04 Cash balance, there's more invested. And so therefore you're we're reaping the rewards of that higher interest rate. So we're at 28,000 that we received an interest.
15:54:15 Which is quite a bit above budget.
15:54:20 Recording fees we budgeted to. Oh, let me talk about the grant, the grant the shelter program. Grant. This is the legislative
15:54:32 Answer to reducing recording fees, the reduction in recording fees. And so we've taken advantage of 27,000. We have another 27,000 and.
15:54:43 The balance of this year that we can take and this goes directly towards the shelter. The emergency shelter.
15:54:50 And then I'll speak to it later on. But we have additional monies for the second, for the 1st half of 2025 that's available as well.
15:55:00 So then we talk about recording fees.
15:55:03 Reporting fees are this line. Fees are kind of a little bit below sales tax revenue.
15:55:09 But at 60, so not too far below. But you know, and and I did look out.
15:55:16 And see, we have quite a bit of property for sale. I mean, we have you know, and people are starting to think about refinancing. I was talking to our auditor, and she was saying,
a couple of days record ago they recorded 48 deeds of trust, which is quite a few in one day.
15:55:36 That's like when the interest rates were lower and they were recording lots of deeds of trust every day, and so.
15:55:44 We might start seeing this, turn around a little bit and give us a little bit more on the reporting piece.
15:55:52 Okay, so
15:55:54 Getting down to expenditures.
15:56:00 Let me!
15:56:02 Let me raise the. I rarely freeze pains, but.
15:56:06 I never remember how to do it. Let me go to view.
15:56:10 I don't. I never use it so sorry.
15:56:14 No, it makes it easier to read it. Thank you.
15:56:16 Okay.
15:56:17 I didn't do the right one.
15:56:19 No.
15:56:20 Okay. Freeze pains.
15:56:23 Breeze.
15:56:26 Yeah, I'm freezing freeze, probably freeze one way.
15:56:29 I can only freeze one line.
15:56:30 But no, no, you can. You can. You can try to get. You're ready to go.
15:56:34 Okay, there, we go.
15:56:35 Yeah.
15:56:36 Alright sorry about that. I never use the freeze, because you can tell why. Going a little too fast here, go back up.
15:56:47 The thing is making it bigger is the scrolling part. Okay? So expenditures budget versus actual budgets.
15:56:55 Okay? So this line is 1 48 affordable housing budget. This is 1 48 expenditures.
15:57:02 And this is 1 49.
15:57:05 Budget, and 1, 49 expenditures.
15:57:09 And.
15:57:11 I mean, it's there's still quite a bit of money.
15:57:16 Sitting on the table. If you see, this is what has been budgeted across the 2 funds.
15:57:20 And this is what has been dispersed.
15:57:23 So only 38.7 of the budget has been dispersed at this point.
15:57:29 Wow!
15:57:29 Okay.
15:57:31 Which to me is a little low, but if they're not spending it, they're not asking for reimbursement. So.
15:57:38 And and I would like to speak to this while I'm talking about this when you're thinking about your Rfp.
15:57:45 Jefferson County does not roll forward. Budgets.
15:57:48 And there's a reason we don't do that. It's it's just.
15:57:52 It's it's an accounting nightmare is what it is. Okay.
15:57:57 And I am. I'm here to to beg you to consider, not rolling forward budgets.
15:58:05 If they do not spend like the situation we have with one of our awards.
15:58:10 Earlier this year. It took quite a bit of time to all the different periods of money being rolled forward from, and it'd been done for 4 years.
15:58:20 And so.
15:58:22 Maybe it's an addendum to an Rfp process that if they or they if they know they're not gonna spend it, they include it in their Rfp. For this year.
15:58:33 Or for the New Year.
15:58:34 But.
15:58:35 Easy way to do it.
15:58:36 It's an easier way to do it. And I it messes with budget. It creates quite a bit of a headache for staff time.
15:58:43 So I would. I'm I'm begging you not to consider, not rolling forward and.
15:58:50 And and also, if you don't roll forward, it's gonna make them work a little harder, I think, to use it in the year that it's been given to them.
15:58:56 Personally, that's my personal opinion.
15:58:58 I think there were real issues with.
15:59:01 With. I mean, it was the.
15:59:03 How emergency home repair in South County. I think there were capacity issues. I don't know. I mean, it's it's a fantastic program. So I you know. I think.
15:59:11 We wanted them to be able to.
15:59:14 Fully spend out those funds. But I I take your point, Judy, and I think we can write that in to make sure that we don't.
15:59:22 Leave that door open, or at least create it, I think you know. And is it an addendum to.
15:59:27 The 2025 application. If someone does need to roll it over, it's worth the time to make the change.
15:59:33 And it's a separate action. And instead of having only 3 months, then to use up that amount.
15:59:38 They have the whole year to use the amount of.
15:59:40 Yeah.
15:59:41 And I think that was part of the problem is, it was like, Okay, you get 5 months to use up. But you didn't use last year, and then you had to figure out which invoices, yeah,
never mind. Okay, you get the idea.
15:59:51 Jeff.
15:59:52 I hear you.
15:59:59 What's the result?
15:59:53 Okay, I'll I'll stop beating that. Okay. So so let's move on down.
16:00:00 Did I go?
16:00:00 What's the result of this conversation? What is your recommendation? Actually.
16:00:04 So that they don't just lose it like that housing repair program that they add an addendum.
16:00:12 To their Rfp. Saying, we also we need this money for this year on the Rfp. And we would like to roll over this money that we're not going to be able to spend last time. So they
make the request in their Rfp.
16:00:24 Okay, I got that. Thanks.
16:00:25 Sure. Thank you for clarifying.
16:00:29 Okay, so.
16:00:29 Which it sounds like rolling over. But it's not a budgeted thing, because what we were doing is habitat was coming, you know, 6 months after. I think it even happened during
our mail outage, maybe. And say, Oh, we'd we'd like, we're gonna need those monies. We're not gonna use them this year. We're gonna need them next year. And so they wanna know, yeah,
before close out. So deal with it before the end of the year.
16:00:54 Not going to be able to expend it.
16:00:55 Timely, but we'll be able to extend it because it's reimbursement, so they can't, you know, do the work in February and get reimbursement because it's the end of the contract
period. So it's still close out the still close outline and just add it to the next one is what they would do.
16:01:11 Right.
16:01:12 And then that way you're adding to it, and.
16:01:16 It's it's it's not rolling forward the money still sitting in the fund. Right? The cash is there. So all you have to really do is deal with the budget.
16:01:26 So.
16:01:27 Okay.
16:01:28 Alright!
16:01:29 It's just gonna be complicated. But well, like, if there's 25,000 left on, you know, my organization's grant, and we know that we can use it. But we're not going to be able
to get our ducks in a row until January. We're applying for another project, so we would.
16:01:43 Would there be a line? You know we can't expend our previous award.
16:01:47 You know, by the contracted period, but we'd like to add it to this request. But we need to know that like now, because we're determining the amount with the Rfp. Yes, like
this is a change to the Rfp. That we're talking about.
16:02:01 Yeah. And then do we still rerank that that previously.
16:02:07 Or the the previously awarded project against the I I say I would, I would say no, there's been awarded, and you know that money is already budgeted, that money is budgeted.
So we're just asking to push that budget forward. And they have another app. I mean.
16:02:25 Nope.
16:02:26 It.
16:02:26 Looks like.
16:02:27 It. It's so, if you know. So you could then increase your Rfp. By those amounts.
16:02:35 You know, if people are coming to you saying we're not gonna use 25,000.
16:02:40 Is there a process to increase the Rfp. By that 25,000, so that your original Rfp. Is still going to your new awards?
16:02:49 I mean I don't know the answer to that.
16:02:54 Yeah, I.
16:02:57 I also think that we should be making a distinction about.
16:03:01 I'm standing in operations.
16:03:04 Versus understanding in a development project, as we heard from.
16:03:11 Based on there were hold ups to particular development project. But if somebody's not spending operating funds at a fairly consistent basis.
16:03:24 And they're, you know.
16:03:27 It's hard to see how they're gonna increase.
16:03:31 And it. It's just a different kind of.
16:03:34 A a process forward operating so much as
16:03:44 As I do and I don't think we've ever been requested, and we never have forwarded anything else operation funds. But I think that's a good distinction, Vicki. I mean, we're really
talking about development projects that do.
16:03:58 You know they hit and like you want, you want to be able to.
16:04:00 I mean, we could also what, Judy, if we made the contracts.
16:04:05 For 2 years. What would that do?
16:04:09 I mean you could. It's just gonna roll. Then you'd have.
16:04:13 That, as already included in your New Year, Rfp. I would think.
16:04:18 Right.
16:04:20 Yeah.
16:04:19 So if you were to do it for 2 years. Let's say you give somebody a hundred $1,000.
16:04:24 And.
16:04:25 You know, they say, Okay, we want to, you know, 50,000 this year, 50,000 that year. Then the following year. Then it's it's like it would just then be part of the Rfp. Your
Rfp. Would be increased by that amount.
16:04:40 And and so just like what I'm showing down here.
16:04:44 You know, we're increasing.
16:04:47 Our revenue coming in because of the additional grant.
16:04:51 But we've already given a hundred 1,000 voc is already premised. Another 100,000 to.
16:04:57 The shelter for 2025.
16:05:00 And so that comes out of your.
16:05:04 The that goes into the calculation of the Rfp. Is what I'm trying to say.
16:05:09 Yeah. But how would that hit our budget?
16:05:11 I'm sorry.
16:05:13 How that did our budgeting process, though, cause like you, said we, we close out our budget annually.
16:05:18 Right. And so, because this was awarded for the this was awarded by the Bocc this year, for next year it'll be part of the budgeting process now.
16:05:29 That 100,000.
16:05:32 Okay, well, let's let's come back to this.
16:05:34 Any other questions.
16:05:41 Okay.
16:05:36 Yeah, it's important. But let's let's move forward and let Judy finish your presentation and and come back.
16:05:41 What to do about that. But.
16:05:43 Big.
16:05:43 Okay.
16:05:46 That.
16:05:44 Sorry about that. I don't mean to throw Monkey.
16:05:47 It's important.
16:05:48 Okay, okay? So what I'm estimating is 800,025 revenues.
16:05:55 With and 205,000. So this is Fund 1 48.
16:05:59 And 205 in Fund 1, 40.
16:06:05 1, 49 also has the additional grant money, that this is an additional grant that was given by legislature for 2025.
16:06:15 And so it goes through the end of June.
16:06:19 Awesome.
16:06:18 Because that's the 25 fiscal year.
16:06:24 That is.
16:06:20 Sorry, Judy. That's also for the recording shortfall. Right? It's like the 26 or 20.
16:06:26 Another one. Okay, I just.
16:06:26 Yeah.
16:06:27 In.
16:06:27 So it's like how we got 56,000 before now. We got another 86,000.
16:06:32 Yeah.
16:06:33 Okay.
16:06:36 So.
16:06:38 This actually gives you a fairly large number of total available for 1, 48.
16:06:44 And the reason you have 1, 40.
16:06:48 Is somewhat higher. Is the fund balance, if you can see here is 669,000.
16:06:56 So the Rfp. Has not been completely expended every year, which is adding to fund balance, which is not a bad thing, because then you're able to do. Maybe some of the larger
projects with affordable housing.
16:07:09 And so.
16:07:11 Also here, in 2024, there was 104,500 left.
16:07:18 Of Rfp. That did not get completely expended as far as what I have in the budget.
16:07:24 Okay.
16:07:27 So there's possible of 1.4 million that could be.
16:07:32 Expended in an Rp. Budgeted in an Rfp.
16:07:36 I'm recommending 1.4 actually.
16:07:40 As a nice round number. Mainly because that'll keep us a reserve.
16:07:46 And that reserve is a little more than 10% of expenditures.
16:07:52 And now, Judy, I mean one of the reasons we have. This healthy reserve, too, is because.
16:07:58 We were unable to award our 900 last time from 1,590. We did not have enough grants.
16:08:05 But that's only a hundred 40. Right? I'm I'm curious. Can you help us understand better where the rest of that.
16:08:11 The difference between the 800,000 and projected revenue and the 1.4 9.
16:08:18 So the 800,000 is what was carried over from last year as far as fund balance.
16:08:24 Oh, well.
16:08:25 And so if I look at 2023, and I'm just gonna go down here.
16:08:30 A lot of it had to do with.
16:08:34 Budget not being completely expended.
16:08:38 And and I can dive into those numbers a little bit more.
16:08:42 But we we had an available one.
16:08:45 1,000,041 last year as a possible Rfp. And then maintained a reserve.
16:08:53 Which brought us to 9, 65.
16:08:56 And so
16:09:00 And and while you guys are finishing, working with the rest of things on your agenda, I can go into the 148.
16:09:06 And I believe it's just like this. This was 335,000 of Rfp. Budget that didn't get awarded.
16:09:16 Sorry.
16:09:16 So that's part of it right there.
16:09:20 No, it was 3. I mean, we've had our.
16:09:22 That's from 2023.
16:09:24 Yeah. The only applicant was space for Woodley Place.
16:09:28 Do you mind going back to 24.
16:09:37 Want me scroll down.
16:09:38 Yeah. And so we're, we're assuming that the.
16:09:43 Expenses will be zeroed out.
16:09:48 Mike.
16:09:47 Right in in what you're.
16:09:49 Rolling over doesn't include things that are obligated for 2024.
16:09:55 Their budget.
16:09:56 Okay.
16:09:56 So we're assuming all of that is going to be expending.
16:10:00 Well.
16:10:03 That's better news than I understand.
16:10:03 But that is possible. It's not which we'll add to your fund balance again.
16:10:08 Right.
16:10:10 And Judy are all these funds while they're in there in in Lg.
16:10:16 Yes.
16:10:15 Gathering collecting interest. Okay, great. So that's the 15,000 is based on this Healthy fund balance. Okay?
16:10:22 Well, yeah. And that's how you got 28,000.
16:10:28 Right.
16:10:27 And I don't. We'd only budgeted 15,000, so we were pretty.
16:10:34 Conservative.
16:10:35 Yeah.
16:10:36 And we didn't know what interest was going to do this year. Really.
16:10:39 At this time last year.
16:10:41 Hmm.
16:10:44 Well, yeah, this is rosier than I anticipated, too. I'm almost well, yeah, I mean with even the other was higher than the previous year with that 100. We've just expended some
capacity already, I mean, you know, this, this group recommended 100,000 to the Pocc. They didn't do it. Absent our, our input.
16:11:04 Also the group, did it not the Vcc.
16:11:10 Hogan.
16:11:07 The group recommended to Brcc, and then Vcc.
16:11:12 Okay.
16:11:14 So.
16:11:15 Yeah. Go ahead. Jean.
16:11:16 Yes.
16:11:17 There's still so 100,000 has already been awarded here.
16:11:20 The county will still have about a 50,000.
16:11:25 Shortfall.
16:11:27 Approximately.
16:11:29 With with even those funds being made available from 1 49. So my question, one of my questions, was going to be as a county? Do we submit an art? Do I need to do an Rfp. For
that? 50,000.
16:11:42 From 1 49. I don't know the.
16:11:46 I'd say, probably.
16:11:45 Legalities of that. You could talk about it. Let me know. That'd be great.
16:11:49 What is the short? What caused a shortfall? The budget that we agreed upon with Bayside was less than the money that we had.
16:11:56 And we said the county said, Well.
16:12:03 Yes.
16:11:59 We're we're good for it. Basically. Okay, so this is for the shelter.
16:12:05 So there's a hundred 65,000 available.
16:12:10 For an Rfp. For the homeless fund itself.
16:12:15 And you can see where it was dispersed before Castle Brown.
16:12:20 And this is really interesting. I mean, here we are, Castle Brown, and we're gonna expend it. 20 of it.
16:12:27 So I know they're they just got a new housing director and all that, so that might have something to do with it.
16:12:33 Yeah, it's really interesting.
16:12:36 And
16:12:37 So are we saying that we are on the hook with.
16:12:41 Bayside for 150,000 for the shelter, and we have only.
16:12:46 Obligated a hundred 1,000 for that.
16:12:48 Currently.
16:12:49 From this fund.
16:12:50 It's a little more than that total. But we're just what we've obligated is 51. If that contract is fully extended, what it will hit, and we've talked of, you know.
16:13:00 Other stakeholders to see if they would, you know, support that effort as well, you know, like the city and stuff and preliminary conversations. But we're we're still trying
to.
16:13:11 Get there. You know it could be that offsets it with donations which they are getting. I mean, I mean, it's probably a pretty rose colored glass. 50 k. Of donations dedicated
to this because.
16:13:23 You know, they get donations for all sorts of things, and the contract also stipulated that donations specifically for the American Legion would be deducted from the contract.
But just general donations they get. They have a a big core, you know.
16:13:35 Body of work that we don't want to impact with the shelter. So it's kind of the agreement.
16:13:40 Soldiers.
16:13:41 So just let me know if, as the county, if we need to go ahead, and, do you know, be part of that process to submit.
16:13:47 To cover that shortfall.
16:13:51 Which I'm happy to.
16:13:50 Right? Yeah, I don't know.
16:13:53 We should talk about that, I mean, like we.
16:13:57 With the recording fees, I mean.
16:14:01 Would that be a weird conflict of interest for you guys? I mean, we talked about the whole thing, you know, of being on only caps forward, and this and that. But you're actually
commissioners of the county.
16:14:13 But we're I mean Bay side is the one that the operator certainly not.
16:14:18 You know.
16:14:20 Getting paid as monitors or anything or no. I'm just asking the question. I think somebody needs to ask your lawyer that question.
16:14:27 Yeah, I mean, do we.
16:14:28 Do we even do an Rfp. For that process, or do we dedicate the 149 plans for the.
16:14:35 But and yeah, we don't even know if it's open. I don't know.
16:14:39 So.
16:14:40 We've already made a commitment right? So to my mind, right.
16:14:46 Because we have no real criteria. Again, we're allocating funds right among the number of service providers kind of make it up as we go along. It feels like to the I think that
we should. We should clarify our criteria, how we we distribute funds.
16:15:10 And
16:15:13 So that any additional funds that might be.
16:15:18 Needed for a short fall should it be applied through Rmd. Competitive with everybody else. No, we don't want to be competitive.
16:15:26 As.
16:15:27 Our friends from Raffles said, right reality is that a number of people, including people, you know, who provide emergency shelter and transitional shelter. Right, Caswell Brown,
Bayside, etc.
16:15:46 All rely on some kind of, you know, on the operating funds. I do think it.
16:15:53 I, I wanna say something about the budget, though, is like 1 48, 149. What were the numbers that used to refer to the whole Rfps.
16:16:05 Yeah. So it would be nice to name him. So we, I think we, if we could clarify during what is development and operating. So people would get less confused.
16:16:19 I wanted to point out is that even though we have this.
16:16:24 $1,400 in our bottom line. Judy's bottom line for
16:16:31 The 50, 90, or 1, 48 is she's calling it.
16:16:35 Sit. Only 60% of that has to go to development, and the 40% leaves it for operating. So we really have. If I, according to my mouth, we have about 725,000.
16:16:50 For operating as opposed to 140 for development. So you can do operations for new from that point, too. Right.
16:17:02 Yeah, you can do operations. We we at least we interpret it that way. Last year was doing operations for a new facility. There's like a there's a there's a honeymoon period
where we actually did fund with the 60% operating funds for a new facility can come out of the 60. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, 40.
16:17:20 Is the equivalent of.
16:17:23 You know the recording funds.
16:17:26 Yeah, and how we just figured it. So I I just think you know, sir.
16:17:31 General operations, as opposed to the.
16:17:35 New operations. I I think, as we break it, understand that when people are applying for the funds and we're we're looking through and thinking about the system overall is how
much it's listed in the Rfp. That that breakdown. And when we do it, too, we just need to break out.
16:17:52 And we're going to get, you know. You know, a a spreadsheet that we'll break down like.
16:17:57 What we think. It's eligible for for both yeah, operations and new development people know it. Because, you know, again, they're competing. So if you're gonna compete, you wanna
put in. What's the reasonable amount? You know you're not applying the whole funding, or if that many more people are competing for the demand for operating funds is timed. One.
16:18:22 That's available.
16:18:24 And it's 1 to one for the 1590 funds. So people ought to be able to consider that as informational when they apply.
16:18:34 I would want to know.
16:18:36 Do you feel like that's not in the Rfp.
16:18:39 I think it's confusing at this point.
16:18:43 Okay, so we can talk about that. We're running out of time here. But yeah, I think I think we should hold off on allocating any additional funding for the Legion shelter and
hope for some other funding sources.
16:19:04 For.
16:19:06 Post June. Their operators.
16:19:09 Removes the county from applying to the county.
16:19:12 City Board.
16:19:14 I just been looking at the amount we have, and knowing that Kezo Brown.
16:19:18 And dub House at least need additional funding. Yeah.
16:19:24 I'm just not sure if we want, if we want, because the county is on the hook for that additional 50. If we want to try to work with our partners, or use the general fund to fund
that and not reduce this amount.
16:19:37 Yeah. And I I think that's that was where we were before, too. So I'm I'm talking about, you know.
16:19:43 Hopefully. You know, there's another year while we finish this.
16:19:46 Potential shelter. Okay, so is everyone kind of on board with.
16:19:53 We'll talk to bay side, and if they want to apply for the 25 Rfp.
16:19:58 For operating the shelter they would, they would make that application.
16:20:02 And then we'll just open it with the amounts the 1 6, 5 for one, and
16:20:09 A 1,400,000 for 1590.
16:20:14 It should.
16:20:15 It worked.
16:20:17 You want. You want to break it down the 60 to break it down. I think it would help people understand what they're fine for it, operating and development with the provision that.
16:20:30 Development also looks for. Can you do that really quick, Judy? Can you add a column in there by one, the 2,025148.
16:20:41 Put.
16:20:43 Take that 1 million for make one of the columns 60 and one of the columns 40 of the total.
16:20:54 Well, she's doing that.
16:20:57 I I'm not sure that I think base. I should be applying for the additional 50,000 that we are already on the hook, for I'm not talking about that either. Yeah, no, wasn't that
just in your list, would we? Said, what are we agreeing to moving forward? I thought you said, for you know, Post June, we have nothing. There's no money dedicated to operating the
shelter, you know.
16:21:20 July 1, 25. So if anyone's going to apply for that beyond the 150 that we're on for, which is for this year up until that time. Right? We've we've mostly funded up until that
time, and I agree, and any other stakeholders we can get to Tony App are on the hook for that.
16:21:36 And then.
16:21:39 Bayside, or dove house or holy cap, for Brown could apply for the 149.
16:21:46 For the 2,025.
16:21:48 I mean, I yeah, so base I could apply for it. But it would be starting in.
16:21:54 James, yeah.
16:21:54 Is the complication that that is on a fiscal calendar year or a fiscal year. And we're talking a calendar year.
16:22:02 I mean, that's complicating. Yeah, I don't know.
16:22:05 It's like complicating factor for understanding that.
16:22:07 Yes.
16:22:09 I mean, and it's I mean, that's not really. That's just when the.
16:22:13 Originated. I think so. I'm not sure if it's because it's on the.
16:22:19 State fiscal year thing. I think it's just lease. Yeah.
16:22:28 Okay.
16:22:24 And and our the contract that we signed with resulting from that, and so.
16:22:30 Money that won't be spent out from the grant from last year by, because they didn't get reimbursed for some of that that operation. So we're kind of, you know.
16:22:39 It's double budgeted a little bit in the in the 24, I think, is that.
16:22:43 Is that accurate Judy?
16:22:46 Well, they did spend their whole 78. This.
16:22:48 Here.
16:22:49 They just didn't spend the whole the full amount, I mean, and then we just moved it to a different line.
16:22:55 Via Calendar.
16:22:57 Oh!
16:22:58 Right, so.
16:23:00 Yeah, we didn't split it. I mean, it was for the entire year.
16:23:04 So.
16:23:06 Here. So if you look at here.
16:23:08 On your calendar, not the excel spreadsheet.
16:23:10 Oh, I'm sorry!
16:23:14 Take it down.
16:23:15 Question again, apologize.
16:23:16 Busy week.
16:23:20 So.
16:23:22 One of the things I'm.
16:23:25 Maybe suggesting is, we've got.
16:23:28 Samuel. We kept.
16:23:30 I don't know. Sam is not really that. Okay? But we do have dump that I think, since these are service providers, if they have a question about what we're talking about. I think
we should allow them, because the courthouse closes. I mean, and if we can't get it done today to the point that we can publish an Rfp. We can.
16:23:53 Push it. You know. I mean, we can do a special meeting just for this purpose, because I mean I I channel her and my understanding of things, pointing at Picky.
16:24:06 Pretty much, you know, and I'm just wondering, you know, if these guys have questions or.
16:24:12 Well, we did give that, as we said we would.
16:24:15 And give the Rfp. To all the housing providers 2 days ago. So not a lot of time for them to actually look at it so I think it would. It would not be the worst thing to to give
another week. I mean.
16:24:28 What are what are people? Yeah. Vicki, yeah. And and I do.
16:24:33 I I think it's important to strive for some transparency here, and how we're doing this. So I I know we're transparent that we have these meetings, but sometimes I go fast.
16:24:47 And we may have to make decisions fast. And part of that was how we made the decision to allocate funds for the emergency. Right. So I I think to.
16:25:00 For the service provider staff full confidence, and I think it's worth an extra meeting, and to be clear and transparent, it's possible. But really make sure we're on the same.
16:25:12 Page as far as what criteria we're gonna apply.
16:25:16 One way.
16:25:17 You know. Look at the funds.
16:25:20 And I would be.
16:25:21 I was hoping.
16:25:21 Oh, sorry, Vicki. I didn't mean to cut you off. I was hoping to suggest some edits. I don't know if there's.
16:25:28 Any room to.
16:25:33 Talk about those things.
16:25:33 There's we. We want to hear potential edits. Audrey.
16:25:40 Sure.
16:25:36 You know, I think we just we're not gonna have time to get through this all today. So I think we do need another meeting. So.
16:25:42 Okay.
16:25:48 Okay.
16:25:42 I think. Send your edits into, and we can get them distributed and.
16:25:50 Okay.
16:25:50 Kim.
16:25:51 That's good. I'm I'm just check. I'm gonna be going out of state next week, and so Avil will be the one, and we'll get that. Let's just talk about dates before you.
16:26:05 So computer, are people able to look at their calendars for.
16:26:09 September 11th is 2 weeks from today.
16:26:13 No, I don't have.
16:26:15 We we could do it. September 4.th I could do it. Either the 4th or the 11.th
16:26:20 Just wanna you know, yeah, I can do either.
16:26:26 You can do the port.
16:26:29 Okay. And Audrey.
16:26:32 Amy are the 4th or 11 which are workable for you guys.
16:26:37 And does that.
16:26:36 The 11th week.
16:26:38 Better for me, but I can do the 4.th
16:26:41 I'm I'm just laughing at you the 4.th I'm in an all day training.
16:26:46 And the 11.th Let me double check here.
16:26:51 The 11.th I have a city meeting that starts at 3.
16:26:58 We can do this at one o'clock, and this the rooms open all day.
16:27:02 On board.
16:27:05 One o'clock on the 4.th
16:27:08 One o'clock. I'm I'm I'm right out. If you have to meet without me.
16:27:11 Fine.
16:27:14 No, but you're out. You're out all day. On the 4.th
16:27:16 I am, I am available. I would be available at one on the 11.th
16:27:23 Guys could proceed without me. I have a couple of edits to suggest, but I can submit those one of you.
16:27:31 At one o'clock on the 11.th
16:27:35 Vicky.
16:27:38 I will be.
16:27:40 I do grandma care.
16:27:42 So I pick her up at 1230, and I can try to lose her. But I'm probably late.
16:27:48 Please don't lose your grandchild.
16:27:50 Or for your house.
16:27:51 Keep track of the grandchild.
16:27:52 I say, bring the grandchild here. I'm all in favor.
16:27:56 Fine.
16:27:58 I hope, Nina, I'm introducing her to public meetings.
16:28:05 So 11. Okay, but we can't go. Yeah. Reserve for 2 and a half. Yeah. September 11, th 1, 1 o'clock. Alright. Well, let's let's let's do that. One o'clock. We're not gonna make
much further, but I do want to open it for public comment. I know some of the housing providers are brought comments about the Rfp. So getting that.
16:28:28 Process.
16:28:29 Now, I think, would be helpful. You have 3Â min to squish into one.
16:28:38 Anyone in the room or online that would like to make public comment. I'm adding another public comment period specifically on this item about the Rfp. There will be more opportunities.
You can send in marked up versions of the rfp. For.
16:28:52 With with notes as well. So email me any changes they might have or edits so that they still can do that too.
16:29:02 Beautiful.
16:29:03 Make one more call anyone like to make public for the next meeting. Do you think you're going to be changing the dates.
16:29:12 The Rp should be back, cause that's gonna run. I mean, we're gonna have to. We're not gonna try to make it a 2 week period. So yes, that pushes everything on board. Chooses
an Rp amount. It has to go to voc for issuance of the Rp. So there's that step as well. Can we make that motion today.
16:29:38 The Commissioners. Yes. Does anyone have an objection to that?
16:29:40 Pretty comfortable with the 165 and the 14 k.
16:29:48 Okay, that's what we have. Yeah, well, I would. I would welcome a motion to the amounts of the Rfps. For the housing board. 25.
16:29:59 My second.
16:30:00 I I was just waiting in motion. That wasn't you? Can you can make the motion.
16:30:07 Please.
16:30:07 Oh!
16:30:09 Okay, I'm I mentioned that we accept the 14 and the 1 65.
16:30:15 That's budget as presented today.
16:30:18 With our.
16:30:22 Can I get a second.
16:30:23 I saw.
16:30:23 Sure, second.
16:30:25 Let her second. Amy's okay. Any further conversation.
16:30:31 Since that amount wasn't known to the public beforehand. Can you do a public comment, real quick on that motion? Because we had not shared that excel spreadsheet with the public
will open for public comment before we take action. If anyone would like to comment on the award amounts for the 25 Rfp.
16:30:47 Please indicate by raising your hand online or hitting start on. If you're on the phone or hitting your.
16:30:53 Raising your online.
16:30:54 Analog hand. If you're in the room.
16:31:13 Aye.
16:30:57 Okay, seeing none. I will close public comment and call the question all in favor of the Rp. Amount for 25, as presented today of $1,400,000 for 1, 48, and $165,000 for 1, 49
indicate by saying, Hi.
16:31:15 Any opposed.
16:31:17 And he kept saying.
16:31:19 One abstention from Neil.
16:31:21 All the meetings are this whirlwind not really.
16:31:27 We are out of time and past time, so we'll have to come back to committee reports at our next regular meeting. This special meeting will just be about
16:31:35 Consolidating and finishing up that Rfp. For publishing.
16:31:44 I just wanted to say the coordinated Advisory Board is exactly what they're talking about when they say not competition, but cooperation.
16:31:53 That was a really is a positive experience. Alright, we are adjourned. Thank you. Everyone.