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17:33:08 Jefferson County Planning Commission.
17:33:16 With Roll Call, trying to Mike Schultz.
17:33:20 Chris Long. Bridget Howell. Andrew Schwartz.
17:33:25 And it looks like
17:33:32 It is not here. Okay. And we have it.
17:33:38 Do a few examples in one and only is not going to be there, right?
17:33:45 We have an agenda. Any concerns about the agenda? Very nice approve the acclamation.
17:33:52 We have no news today to a group, so we'll move on from there.
17:33:58 Are there any planning different updates for us today? That's a great one. Yeah, personal one.
17:34:07 I'm in a new division of the farmer's market helping low-income seniors 16 years old, get $80 in fees plus $9.
17:34:20 Right. So get food at the farmer's market or get a box delivered to their food bank or even their apartment buildings that are going to be in Clinton's Wilshine and Brennan
next wednesday and it'll be four times a farmer's market on Saturday morning.
17:34:36 Do you have any ideas for me of places to go and reach out to low-income seniors? I will. Tell your friends.
17:34:47 Is that through rolling cap or GSA shows, I think.
17:34:56 Tshs needs are.
17:35:02 Any other updates? I'll have one, Richard. This Friday is another meeting of the South County Task Force.
17:35:11 It was addressing mitigation solutions For the floodplain issues in downtown Bradyville.
17:35:17 And we need every first Friday of every month in the afternoon at the Brennan Community Center.
17:35:23 It's open to everybody. We don't virtually put it out there, but anybody's welcome.
17:35:31 Thank you. What time also? Three o'clock at the British Community Center.
17:35:38 You have in your active list press release announcing the Jefferson County announcing Josh Peters is the new county administrator And so go ahead and read that, but it means
a few changes for us in vcd Leading from the director position to the county administrator so that we have agency
17:36:06 We'll keep you posted on what's going to do. So congratulations to Josh. Also in your packet, just one other press release about This public review draft bill out and then the
The article came over here.
17:36:24 And we like to⦠joke about things and they don't turn out quite right. You may have noticed the title of our press release but comprehensive plan periodic update and put that
into the paper as of rolling out a new compensation program so i'm sorry to disappoint but we don't have a new compensation program but you'll be delighted with the presentation today.
17:36:49 That's all I've got. Yeah, go ahead and join the meeting.
17:37:09 A topic of interest. Is there anybody you'd like to make time today?
17:37:14 Don't let me ask notes. Sometimes we have public comment periods accreditations. Did you plan to have that?
17:37:26 I don't believe so today. Yeah. Yeah. Now's the time to make it.
17:37:44 We have a comment online. It'll be here. We'll come back to online. We'll stay in the room first. I just would like to say the comprehensive plan has been pretty aspirational
in the past and has left out large spots for the county.
17:38:02 And I'd like to see that with representation for an area that's supposed to be in that section.
17:38:13 Thank you. We have somebody online.
17:38:21 So I'm going to go right ahead.
17:38:23 Oh, thank you. Sorry. The sound quality is a little off today.
17:38:28 My name is Sonder Hunt and I live in quilting and I'm here today on behalf of Engage JC.
17:38:34 And we're urging the Jefferson County We're urging Jefferson County to adopt site potential tree height or SPTH.
17:38:43 As the baseline standard for riparian buffer protections in the critical areas ordinance.
17:38:49 Spth sets buffer width. Based on the height, trees would naturally reach in undisturbed conditions. It's not an arbitrary number.
17:38:58 It's the scientifically grounded standard needed to maintain stream shading, water quality, erosion control.
17:39:05 And salmon habitat. This approach has been repeatedly recommended by the Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission and Northwest Treaty Tribes, as well as treaty tribes across our
region.
17:39:18 Right now, the draft ordinance does not reflect those recommendations and that has consequences.
17:39:23 Not just for the environment, but for tribal sovereignty and treaty reserved rights.
17:39:31 Recently, someone from the Quileute tribe shared the tribe obviously needs to be involved in this process.
17:39:37 One of the biggest concerns raised was around variances. Variances have a clear and direct impact on tribal resources and the county's current practice of allowing them without
tribal consultation must change. These decisions cannot continue to be made behind closed doors.
17:39:55 We also want to name a deeper problem. The chronic lack of engagement with the West End, tribal and West End tribal governments.
17:40:04 Like the Quileute and Ho who are often left out of decision making that directly affects their watersheds and ancestral lands.
17:40:11 If this process is to mean anything, it must start with government to government consultation.
17:40:17 Not after policies are drafted, but from the beginning. Spth is an opportunity for Jefferson County to lead with integrity.
17:40:26 And honor tribal leadership and center climate resilience and ecological truth.
17:40:31 But adoption alone isn't enough. We also need cost sharing programs for rural and low income landowners.
17:40:38 A phased implementation based on ecological risk And clear outreach to disconnected and frontline communities and a commitment to tribal co-governance, especially when it comes
to variances and enforcement.
17:40:56 Thank you so much. I just want to reiterate, this is about more than buffers. It's about relationships, responsibility, and the county's obligation to uphold treaty rights and
tribal self-determination.
17:41:08 Thank you so much.
17:41:11 Thank you.
17:41:17 Yes. Yeah, I guess I would⦠say about the SBTH that is not applicable to Because it's based on the soil surveys which are general, but they're not meant for regulatory purposes.
17:41:36 And once you get down into the I'm at a parson level, they're very inactive.
17:41:47 Thank you. Yes. Hi, my name is Mara Powers. I'm a staff member's calling track and it's on the third.
17:41:54 Support the personnel that I said about This isn't our investment, right?
17:42:01 A way to measure and and corresponders for critical areas and also to not make these markers but have these riparian management systems and zoned so it's a whole thing is protective
other than the grip library itself and the virus can be effective. I do think there's a way to work with people to
17:42:22 Better, more flexibly. To better, more flexibly kind of protect these critical areas. So I noticed that Pensatory has some setbacks and some does a potential prescribed buffer.
17:42:38 They all, everything that you do, I'm sure you will have an impact.
17:42:42 A bit harder to implement. So say potential tree high working with tribes, I'm here at every meeting and we'll continue to provide Thank you.
17:42:54 Is there anybody else online?
17:43:00 I don't see any other.
17:43:00 Mike Higgins. Mike Higgins, habitat biologist with Port Campbell's Golf Drive.
17:43:08 Here to ensure that Street as well as they're gettingâ¦
17:43:22 Mr. Higgins, I'm sorry. Your call's breaking up. We lost the majority of your comment. Would you like to try again?
17:43:33 Sure. Mike Higgins, habitat biologist with the Port Gamble's Golf Tribe.
17:43:42 Okay. And could you make your comment for us again, Mr. Higgins?
17:43:49 Port Gamble, Squallum Tribe tribe.
17:43:54 I can't hear you guys very well either, so I'm trying. Sorry.
17:43:53 Yes, sir.
17:43:58 No, I think you're doing a great job. And if you can hear me, we would just request that you give your full comment one more time. We apologize you broke up.
17:44:11 My name is Mike Higgins and I'm the habitat biologist with Fort Gamble Squallum Tribe.
17:44:16 I'm just here ensuring that all streams and wetlands in this area are getting proper protection on behalf of the tribe.
17:44:26 It's actually hooking it up. Thank you, Mr. Higgins. I think we've got it. Thank you.
17:44:39 And here we have here. So that propose the folder comment for this meeting.
17:44:48 Yes, you transmit information today. We have a press release regarding John Peter's being hired as a county administrator We have an outreach wire. We have a April 30th press
release from leader archae regarding comprehension plans.
17:45:08 Your business. Us on this.
17:45:14 Sure. I'm Greg Ballard. I'm the development code administrator, and I'm gearing up this effort.
17:45:23 What we're hoping to do is provide different sections to you for review and then we'll give you the complete document probably in a couple weeks three or four weeks.
17:45:36 We've already gone through the Fish and Wildlife habitat areas. We also gave the science and the background about the site potential tree hiding at the very first meeting And
so anything that we bring up, it's open game, they bring up again. We're just giving you the information going on and then we'll bring it back to you and get some additional comments.
17:45:58 So what we're doing is mostly at the beginning we show you what we're doing and then we show you the proposed language and then we are looking for feedback from the planning
commission and the public and the tribes and everybody about what we provided
17:46:14 And then hopefully by the time that we have our public hearing before the planning commission will have a lot of these issues ironed out.
17:46:24 So the first section we're going through is the wetlands section. And the way I like to do this is the first section is what's in the existing code.
17:46:32 And I'm not going to read it. We're just going to go down and look at the highlighted sections of the code so that's how you classify wetlands And that's pretty much how I do.
17:46:45 The regulated activities. I don't like the way our regulated activities work because anything that's not exempt is regulated So like we did with the official wildlife section,
it basically says anything that's not exempt under 1822-230 is subject to requirements. This is the existing stuff.
17:47:06 So we removed the stuff in yellow so keep going That's section two.
17:47:14 That says we can waive the requirement for a wetland report for a single family house. So we move that to the report section later on.
17:47:24 The vaccine and a half years. The way passed out in your packet had the strike in, strike out what i'm what we're going through today is just Yeah, that's going to be the next
one I go through. This is just our existing code online. Okay, so I'm sorry to make that clear.
17:47:46 The protection standards this first section was kind of complicated it says the following activities and then it lists all these activities we just made utilities uh roads Keep
going down.
17:48:05 Recreational activities and stormwater, we just made those protection standards later on in the protection standards that I'll go through in a second but right now it's like
a super section the fish and wildlife had it.
17:48:21 The following things are exempt of this out of 10 things and we didn't like that. So we just made each one a separate protection standard.
17:48:28 So if we keep on going down the green section there The definition of high, low, and moderate intensity we're going to we've made a couple of changes to that. So that's what
Green is telling me They keep on going down.
17:48:45 And then the buffer marking or doing similar what we did with the fish and wildlife So we're going to have people marketing their properties that are adjacent to the development
So you'll see all this with index.
17:48:58 Next section. The reduction standards. I mean, we got comments from the tribe about reduction standards and reduction standards are important to us.
17:49:06 This is what we have now. It's not very It's very vigorous and so we're trying to make it more defined Andâ¦
17:49:21 I think this one is about buffer averaging and we've clarified that section And I didn't make any, there were no more changes that we're going through The next section is what
we proposed as changes And what we gave you in that packet was laid out
17:49:40 And then the next document on there should be there The wetland flame, it should say.
17:49:48 And it's just the strike in strikeout that we provided. And I provided you a paper copy of this In case we can't see it.
17:49:59 But⦠Kind of how this section works is
17:50:11 And it's kind of sad that when you do the condens that you need to burn the screen So the very first thing I want to talk about is regulated activities And that should be the
like the second bubble keep going down.
17:50:39 And what we did here was for regulated activities We wanted to make sure that it was the existing section had the existing section have had the sections about what what is regulated
we said everything's regulated unless it's exempt. And so that's a pretty
17:50:59 This is the way that we're trying to approach this.
17:51:05 And let me see, on the next page. We moved all those one measures that you saw before they're at the end of the document, 12, 13, and 14.
17:51:18 About utilities, roads And things like that.
17:51:25 If you go to D, the green section, that says the administrator can waive a wetland report if the development's far enough away from the wetland and so that section we just moved
from the report section where it's app now to this section
17:51:43 The protection standards.
17:51:48 Number four is the buffers and buffers I'm a big fan of buffers, making sure they're getting marked. So we say that you have to mark the edge of the buffer We also said that
young as Shogun all approved site maps
17:52:05 We're also asking for permanent fencing berms barriers or native vegetation adjacent to any existing, any proposed development or land disturbing activity And the reason why
is, you know, I've been doing this like 22 years on the peninsula you know if you're an installment.
17:52:22 And sometimes people go right up to the edge of a buffer and then what do they do? They put their their car their their woodshed or all this they start mowing into the buffer
and they kind of do the buffer creep
17:52:37 So what this would do would be to have them put like a burr or a split row fence so that they know this is the wetland buffer you know you got to stay out of this area
17:52:52 And uh If you go to the number This is where there's the high, moderate, and low intensity. And this one might be a little bit interested in that the way the current road the
way the current code reads is it says anything any residential development that's less than an acre in size is a high intensity use
17:53:18 And then it says And that's how it says. And so I tried to break it up. Anything under an acre for residential is high intensity use.
17:53:28 If it's one to five acres, it's a moderate intensity use And then if it's five acres of boat or larger parcel for residential use would be a low intensity use. Is there any
basis for the middle 25? Is there a reason for
17:53:45 I just had a few higher low. Part of it's part of it's less than acres already defined our code as high intensity And then over five is kind of what we talked about with the
official wildlife habitat area. So we were just trying to do one to five this being moderate.
17:54:04 Just so that all the different size parcels would be addressed.
17:54:09 Residential development there is debate whether you can say all residential it's evacuatory By that.
17:54:18 Five acres is different than one acre. And that's a good point. Residential development is similar. And if you have more acres, you should be able to get away from it.
17:54:31 It's just right now Right now it's just saying that if you're less than an acre, it's high and you get the higher buffers of the chart that I'll go over next.
17:54:42 And then if you're And then the other thing that we added was regional trails And we had that as low intensity. And it's because right now we're doing uh we're doing like casts
and reasonable for a trail system because we're calling it
17:55:01 A high intensity use and it's pretty much like a 12 foot wide paved area with some gravel shoulders And so we were trying to trying to promote some regional trails.
17:55:15 So next page.
17:55:20 Is the⦠Yeah.
17:55:24 Let me go down a little bit. Just go to the table up above that, go the other way.
17:55:32 Just real briefly, if you look at that table go up a little bit higher.
17:55:40 So when you're looking at well and buffers, you look at the category of the wetlands.
17:55:44 You look at the habitat score and then you look at if it's a high, a moderate, or a low impact so it's It's pretty complicated.
17:55:54 And so⦠The habitat score is when you do a wetland delineation, that's one of the criteria that we get with the wetland rating system And so that's very important for deciding
this. And then the high, moderate, and low is uh
17:56:11 For the different buffers can come in And so let's go down. That one's just special wetlands such as lagoons and things like that. So we just put a buffer into that.
17:56:23 And if you keep going down This section here is, you can go from high to moderate buffers if you meet these following criterias.
17:56:36 And there's things like noise, noise, toxic and things like that. So you can get a reduced buffer by meeting these requirements.
17:56:45 Let's keep on going.
17:56:55 The buffer averaging section That was something that I don't think the criteria is very good right now. So we tried to come up with some new criteria and I'll be on the on the
next slide that I did for variances and reductions
17:57:10 But right now it just it doesn't have a lot of criteria why we do buffer averaging And the buffer averaging is like, yeah, 100 foot buffer, you go 75, let's say 50 feet and
you go 125 feet to 50 feet, and you have the same
17:57:27 Amount of buffer is just an average out so it's give and take And the difference between that and reduction is if you have a small parcel and you don't have areas to give, you
can't do a reduction.
17:57:40 I mean, you can't do buffer energy because you have no other areas to provide a bigger buffer.
17:57:47 And to me just having an equal area isn't magical enough. You want to have some additional criteria because if you had a well-functioning buffer you could never really make
that balance out by by taking a well-functioning riparian area and taking that out and then trying to add it to some other area
17:58:06 That's why we have this more criteria.
17:58:13 I'm confused by breast height so Do trees have breasts? Start with the human I think the foster and the roadway tell us what It's like five foot six or I'm not sure.
17:58:31 Yeah, four foot is about where I'm Yeah, so it's a person standing there but it's we can take that out and modify that.
17:58:43 I've seen other ways of describing that.
17:58:52 Number 12 is utilities. And what I did here was I tried to try to try to break up utilities into utilities just serving one house versus utility quarters serving more than one
house And so⦠A, B, C, D.
17:59:12 Good evening. Are just serving like one house like if you brought a power light or a water light to your house that would be under that section And then if you agree, let's
say a utility corridor or something bigger like a sewer line or something, you'd be under
17:59:30 D, E, and F. And we have to define utilities I'd say just put in the parentheses like I did.
17:59:41 Number 13 is⦠road expansions and we have that as You just have to meet this criteria. I like what we did for the Fish and Wildlife, we're saying that if you're putting new
roads within a wetland buffer, then it's a variance instead of trying to go through this
17:59:58 Administrative type process. And then 15 is outdoor trails And that's where we've We said that the way the current code says is you can only put a trail the outer 25% of a wetland
buffer. So if you had a hundred foot
18:00:16 Well in buffer, you could put the trail 25 feet into the into the web and buffer and then we stopped.
18:00:22 And we're saying you know trails three feet wide unpaid should be allowed through the whole buffer that's similar the way it was in other places i did that.
18:00:33 And it just seemed like, you know, if you had a wetland buffer You know, and I have a three foot year trail through which is just uh a little bit of bark and gravel or something
like that would not be disruptive
18:00:47 And then we added the regional trails as a administrative variance and that's all the changes to weapons that I have. Do you specify types of vegetation that can go in wetland
buffer?
18:01:08 Yeah, that would be a good question because if it's If it's something that we're requiring you to restore or enhance, we're going to always require native education.
18:01:19 Like the host and stuff.
18:01:24 I'm just saying like anything that's native and typically what I like to do is have like the conservation list show you these are the native vegetations And things like willows
can be get out of hand because they start spreading and choking off the stream. And so we're never going to tell you
18:01:43 You need to plant willows. We're going to say plant a deep-rooted data vegetation adjacent to this wetland to provide shade and because we in our conservation plan.
18:02:01 They made us find what i argued Extensively and now the willows are causing more trouble.
18:02:10 Than the stream that they restored. They're completely clawing the stream you you know you can hardly walk in there. They're an invasive species.
18:02:21 I don't remember if I grew up on a wetlands and we did not have those I think there's different types of willows once it's spread. So I think that's something that, you know,
like when I was here 20 years ago, alders were, you could have got alders. Yeah.
18:02:36 Is this not able to do that anymore. So I think things evolve, but typically what we do is we go with like the conservation district or a biologist and they can recommend something
else.
18:02:48 But what we typically don't specify what type of data trio shruged and plant.
18:02:54 Because I wanted alders. And they've made this plant absorbed. We would typically let the landowner select something as long as it does the same form and function.
18:03:07 The uh So any other wetland questions, can we open it up to the public real quick?
18:03:15 So any questions on wetlands from anybody or any thoughts
18:03:23 I have a couple questions. You're⦠High intensity and moderate and low uses where a wedding determination is that?
18:03:33 Is that based on best available science or is that kind of a
18:03:44 The⦠that's in the existing code so that was based on that. What we did is we just tinkered with what was high For high, we said under an acre so we didn't change high so
moderate we changed one to five could be debated and then
18:04:02 Or not. I haven't seen that. Usually it's like by use like multifamily is a high intensive use to know that that requires a bit of a single family home.
18:04:17 Low used to requires less Yeah, we'd like to get some, it's like well guidance, I think we'll see that, for example, a lot of our could be the bigger buffer than than a house
and some bullshit.
18:04:36 Just like the table that you use to mineralize impactful wetlands.
18:04:44 18, 22, 738C. The first row is lights and the super direct lights away from that lens.
18:04:54 We can reduce those impacts even further. That would be helpful.
18:05:12 The DBH for diameter of breast height is a standard use. Maybe we can add that to the definition so we can be consistent with other regulations and make it clear to everybody.
18:05:22 Clarity would be great.
18:05:35 Yeah, great. Ebh is going to ask you. Hey, that's very specific.
18:05:47 The⦠He was with the conservation district and so he's very knowledgeable when it comes to well and so I appreciate the input.
18:06:07 The⦠If there's no more questions.
18:06:11 I'm going to go really quick now. I'll be able to do this.
18:06:15 Can we go to the next one, which is the induction process This should be number three yeah So this is just a chart that says you can do buffer averaging up to 25%.
18:06:29 We already have that. That's our current code. We're thinking about changing to say you can do that to 50%.
18:06:36 And so what that would do is we're saying that you always have to do buffer averaging before you do the reduction.
18:06:43 But⦠could be better off to allow you to do it up to 50% through a type 2 process, which is this And try to let someone do a reduction where basically you don't have any enhanced
or additional different variances, we have up to 25% of the administrative variance
18:07:05 And you would still, I think, have to meet the variance criteria of 18, 22, 250.
18:07:13 Which, if you look at it, it's pretty high criteria. That's the number of b you know hardship extraordinary based on unique characteristics has to be a specific cure not just
for economics It can't be met with material detrimental. So various criterias are hard. And so we're hoping that the administrative criteria would be hard to it would just be done
18:07:41 Through the type 1 process. And over 25% would be a type three critical area variants.
18:07:49 And that would be if they can't do a cast. And we're also saying that you can't start the reductions if we determine that you can do a buffer averaging project.
18:08:03 And so this is kind of our first attempt to try to make this more defined and clear.
18:08:08 Is right now it's a little confusing.
18:08:14 So if we go to the various section, the types of variances, number one proper averaging
18:08:27 You're right. Just keep going back to number one The⦠So I've been told that buffer averaging should be in the variance section. What we should do is we'll Right now in the
Fish and Wildlife session and the wildland sessions, we have a buffer averaging section. So I think we just put that section
18:08:47 Into those sections of our code. And take it out within a variance section Sorry for changing our mind, but we just had staff meetings and thought about this. And so we're going
to have the same stuff. It's just going to be that's going to be let's say number 10 of the section
18:09:05 Says buffer averaging. This will be the criteria or whatever we come up with.
18:09:11 And then keep on going down. This chart.
18:09:18 Those are kind of similar to what that chart was then the administrative variance and it says up above that you have to do these in the following order. So it says if But for
average, is it feasible then you do the variance
18:09:34 And you can do 25%. And then if you keep on going down It says, if buffer averaging up to 50 or variance or is not feasible then you have to do the least the type 3 variants.
18:09:50 So, and then this is the variance criteria. It's pretty hard to meet a lot of times.
18:09:58 So hardship unique circumstances of the property so that it's like a funny shaped parcel or a rock outcropping or something and basically then we had to define, they use the
term reasonable and practical But there's no definition, really.
18:10:15 And so seven, we said, you're going to do a habitat management plan for administrative variants and a mitigation plan which is more rigorous for a type three and then we provided
a definition of practicable and reasonable.
18:10:32 Determinants.
18:10:37 So that's about⦠I like that. And then if we go really quick Is there any questions about this section?
18:10:46 Is we already have it in the code. It's just we're trying to better define it.
18:10:52 And⦠And then I provided the cara standards which arguably that's substantial to changes And those are just a quick block recharge areas. And that's mostly dealing with wells
and pollution activities.
18:11:09 So you guys can be that on your own, but there's not a whole lot of changes for this section.
18:11:15 And then the next section was the frequently flooded area We just updated that last November. You can go through that real quick, but there isn't a whole lot of changes to that
one and they're frequently funded we just updated that with the board
18:11:30 Of November 2024. And so we've already made any changes to this section. At the very bottom, what we did was Well, you're in a 100-year floodplain.
18:11:44 You basically have to do a flood permit. So we're saying you need to give us the flood information before we can determine if your activity is incentive.
18:11:53 And so that's because in a 100-year floodplain You can't do like more than 50% substantial change to the destruction without being there the flood requirements and if you're
like in a when we get to anything that is over 50%. So it's trying to phase that out and
18:12:15 Through the flood permit that we developed, that's the way we would make sure that those requirements are met before we look at any exemptions.
18:12:25 So that's all I have. And so this would be that would be another session we had to come up with that language to try to make ecology okay with uh our exceptions to the foot
plate.
18:12:44 And that's not personally worded, but it's It's a good start talking to you.
18:12:53 Alex, thanks to you.
18:13:02 You know questions or comments? General messages at work. Thank you. Sure.
18:13:13 Is there anybody that's planning for wind restrictions are coming up against grocery gardens because they're going to flash and how are you going to go?
18:13:27 The reporting requirements like the requirements Well, you're making a lot of restrictions on land use And we've had a lot of requirements.
18:13:37 For growth and housing. Those two aren't going to mesh very well with them both being extreme.
18:13:45 Who's working on that? Yeah, I mean, right now our critical area code is pretty robust and so we're just tinkering with it.
18:13:56 But I think the issue about world like growth and things like that a lot of that goes to the UTA, so that's going to be or a master plan resort.
18:14:07 But it's not really intended to go to the rural areas. And if you can meet those requirements but you know we can't create robots Because we have five additional zoning pretty
much throughout the county or higher sizes.
18:14:23 So there's a lot of options in the middle area for what we can do.
18:14:29 But we've got numbers in there. I think we're getting off the top of critical areas here so Is there any other comments about critical area plan itself?
18:14:42 Yeah. For your criteria and your review I⦠having people go through the mitigation sequencing process?
18:14:55 Exercise for the applicant. And making sure they're looking at those.
18:15:04 Appreciate it in time.
18:15:08 And he's like yeah yeah no We would have talked to people when they go through the site development I apologize for that. You do want to reduce the number
18:15:28 We'll go ahead and move on to the next three to Disneyland.
18:15:33 For finishes.
18:15:44 Thank you. We're switching gears here a little bit now talking about the comprehensive plan And the rollout of 100 new drafts that our consultants, Berg and some consultants
are going to be sharing with you today. I thought I would kick things off a little bit with just a few slides on
18:16:02 Things we've been up to up to this point. What have we been doing up to this point?
18:16:07 This will go fast and then i'll turn it over to Burke.
18:16:14 So I want to make introductions first. We have Jesse Hartman and Michelle Ellsworth here tonight.
18:16:20 Giving the presentations. But we also have a couple of folks online that you're going to meet from the firm Cascadia, Marianne roseants will be talking to us about the climate
element.
18:16:33 And then also transpo consultants. Paul Sharman is going to talk to us about some of our transportation updates that were required this time around.
18:16:43 So really exciting stuff so um I'll just point to you with the guide advance.
18:16:48 So I'm going to talk about these five things. So I'll put them up here so your brain can kind of absorb them and we'll come back around to each one. Growth Management Steering
Committee.
18:16:58 We've been looking at population estimates We've done some amendments in 2024 to the comp plan to get us prepped, ready for some of the things we're doing this year.
18:17:08 Planning Commission, we finished a large circuit around the county the public outreach community outreach opportunities and then of course we continue engaging with our community-based
organizations on So next slide, please.
18:17:24 Quickly just saying to those who may not be familiar with comprehensive planning It comes from the state growth management act And it requires local jurisdictions keep a plan
up to date.
18:17:39 You cannot amend it more than once a year But it needs some thorough review and periodic updates every 10 years. And that's the process we're in now Our 2018 comp plan We're
in a cycle where we need to update it by the end of this year.
18:17:56 So Fort Townsend is also doing the same thing and we're coordinating with Port Townsend on what they're working on and what we're working on. But we've got two different jurisdictions
two different sets of code and all of that. So they're two different comprehensive plans
18:18:10 We started up the growth management steering committee last year. I think it was about April last year We had five meetings.
18:18:20 To talk about the policy framework of comprehensive plans.
18:18:26 This also comes from Growth Management Act that set up this steering committee representatives of your utilities, your schools your jurisdictions and you get together and talk
about how are we going to manage urban growth areas or transportation issues.
18:18:44 And what other kind of principles are we going to base the foundational principles of our comprehensive plans? And so we went through that.
18:18:51 We also looked at population projections As well as the adequacy of our countywide planning also.
18:18:59 So I'm going to go through some countywide planning policies There's a reference in here, 3678210. That's where you go to find out about more about the policies.
18:19:10 But establishes this framework that i was talking about. For comprehensive planning and city and county work together on that.
18:19:17 So the next few slides are going to be other things city and county work with the growth management steering committee on.
18:19:23 Next one is population. So there are three bands in this chart.
18:19:28 And this is our high, medium, and low population projection from the state.
18:19:34 And so we choose one or we choose an intermediate one as the basis of our planning. So we chose the mid-range projection This is usually the most accurate.
18:19:45 And so what that tells us is in this year we have 34,586 people in the county We expect that to grow by 5,920 years.
18:19:58 That's our planning target then, that slide. And unique to Jefferson County well maybe We're not the only one, but we're the oldest one. There's a couple ways to enter the county.
There's a couple of ways to leave the county. You look at births and deaths.
18:20:16 Whether you're increasing or decreasing And then migration. This is an important note for us tonight. Migration has the biggest influence in Jefferson County population.
18:20:27 Because we're kind of an older population we're not having a lot of increase in the county population by births.
18:20:35 So if you look through these five-year-old periods of population growth. It grows a little bit every year.
18:20:44 But if you look at births and nests we can look at see that there's a point in time where we have many more deaths than births.
18:20:53 I'm a baby boomer and this is my cohort So it's like that.
18:21:01 There is population change all the time variable of whether it's of whether it's births or deaths, but mainly the take-home I don't want to trip over my punchline here is net
migration. That's what really influences the biggest sways in our population here.
18:21:23 Then we also chose what kind of chose disaggregation, how are we going to take our population numbers and split them apart between courthouse and city we call that urban all-borne
urban growth we decided we would send 40%, this is in planning
18:21:42 Ideas. We're not going to move people Planning ideas, 40%.
18:21:46 Four channels and 40% to Fort Hadlock urban growth area. So the last time we did this, we had 70, 30, 70%.
18:21:55 Going to urban and 30% to rural. So we bumped up a little bit to respond to our housing crisis and other housing issues.
18:22:04 That urban growth areas are where we can accommodate more of our population. So we switched it to 40-20.
18:22:13 Or 80, 20, I should say, 80% to urban, 20% to rural.
18:22:17 In our planning concepts in this problem. Just a quick mention of the amendments we did last year.
18:22:26 We made some to the develop a code for catalog.
18:22:31 To allow better, easier subdivision and redevelopment and to integrate better with our sewer code, we have a new sewer going in. So that's changing some opportunities there.
18:22:43 The next one, we expanded the Port Townsend urban growth area to include Caswell Brown Village.
18:22:51 And this depicts the red line is port towns city limits and it expands this out in order to provide sewer to Caswell Grand Village.
18:23:03 Greater development potential there. I'll be right with you. And so This includes some other properties in here, but we call it uga public And this is in the county So this
is a county portion of the poor towns and UGA.
18:23:23 Outside of Port Townsend's municipal city limits, that's a different jurisdiction or that's a municipality as administered by Port Townsend, but the urban growth area has this
expansion administered by the county Look at the expansion in the actual area or was it a swap?
18:23:42 It was expansion of the natural area. No, we were doing the swap. We started out with the swap legislature allows urban growth areas to swap out areas that might not be suitable
for urban growth.
18:23:53 Like um you know some farms or critical areas and include areas that are more suitable for urban growth.
18:24:01 There is a process for that. We look through that we had a person lined up to do a swap with that they decided they didn't want to do that.
18:24:10 So the other option was just do an expansion. Is that a last second then?
18:24:18 It was kind of at the end of⦠the analysis that we went with in Kansas.
18:24:24 Next. Oh, rural housing amendments we put in congregate housing into our use table with a better definition And we clarified that ADUs can be added to the overall density and
planned rural residential developments.
18:24:44 The fourth thing we did is expanding airport overlay three and expanded the overall size of the airport essential public facility. This addicts and property of the portfolk.
18:24:55 Purchased and will be used for economic development.
18:25:03 We had our road shows we call them, our community outreach events, four of them to talk about goals and policies of the comprehensive plan.
18:25:13 And⦠Next one, our community-based organizations. So we continue to work with them We meet with them in their organizational meetings at times. They appear.
18:25:25 They join us online here quite often. Saunders who spoke in the comments is here from one of our community-based organizations engaged jefferson So those are the things we've
been up to.
18:25:40 Leading up to getting the public involved with the comprehensive plan.
18:25:45 And putting in some preliminary comments and internal staff review into the comp plan And now we're rolling out this public review draft for you.
18:25:55 And this is the point where I'm going to turn it over to Jesse and Michelle.
18:26:02 Thank you. That's great. I can actually shorten some of my slides now. I'm just in the afternoon with bird uh Lovely to actually be back in Jefferson County. I worked on a 2018
pot plan update as well. You probably saw my boss and he said reader here before, but I was very involved in that update process as well. So this is fun to come back and
18:26:24 Because at work you did previous. See what held up that needs to be changed and how we can.
18:26:32 He had a comp plan to a point that it serves the community even better.
18:26:35 So tonight, I'm also joined by Michelle Ellsworth, my colleague, and Rachel mentioned, Marianne and Paul are online, and we'll have them jump in at the appropriate elements
when we get there.
18:26:46 We are essentially going to be running these through the public draft comprehensive plan, giving you some context to try and help in your view as you dive deeper into it.
18:26:56 You'll see some slides later when we're not going to like read every single new updated loan policy that's in there. We'll give you some samples and kind of high level context
that is hopeful hopefully helpful as you dig into the material a little bit more.
18:27:11 We'll go over the timeline for the kind of overall update process, what's left to get us to an adoption at the final year, hopefully a little sooner.
18:27:21 Go over some of the new requirements for comp planning. And then I'll dive into those growth targets a little bit more in between the population estimated employment growth,
talk a little bit about what helped inform the plan, and then we're going to really dig into the proposed changes. So you can actually go to slides down now.
18:27:43 So we published the first little draft last week and then obviously are here with you tonight. Joel and George are going to come back in two weeks.
18:27:52 And do a deeper dive in some of the elements more just more opportunity to give comments, answer questions from you after you had a chance to actually read the material more
And the first set of comments we're hoping for from the Planning Commission and the public
18:28:10 A soft date is we're looking for May 23rd, actually. If you have more comments or something comes up that you really want to make sure we address end of May is also okay, but
that is to give us time to kind of talk to the
18:28:27 Public attorney's office yeah make sure that prosecuting attorney's office um make sure that we can get any kind of changes that we're thinking about for this public hearing
draft that will come out later in June and have a formal public hearing in July. So there's another opportunity for formal comment from both
18:28:47 Planning commission and on the public. So we'll take those comments end of May and June.
18:28:51 Go through that process, get a new publisher and draft out we expect but are not, these are tentative dates because you may have broader comments than we're expecting.
18:29:04 And that may need to shift things around a little bit. But we're still well within the timeline to be able to adopt towards thinking late summer, early fall if that shifts we
still have till the end of the summer to adopt.
18:29:19 Okay, so Joel went into the GMA and the required periodic update Some of these new, there are some House bills passed in recent years that really changed. They were big changes
for how we do comp planning and what's required this go around
18:29:36 Most of them are related to housing, but HB 1220, 11, 10, and 1337 are all housing focused.
18:29:46 They require jurisdictions to not only plan for a housing target number, but now the housing affordable prosperous economic segments of the population. So we're looking at targets
for specific income ranges.
18:29:59 And then also to look at racially disparate impacts in housing specific to the jurisdiction, so specific to the county, and then address those in or identify adequate permissions
to address those in the policies and things that the county can do.
18:30:16 1110 is not technically required by Florida County. It required a lot of cities in the state to increase middle housing. The county received a grant to implement middle housing
in Irondale, Fort Hadlock in the UGA essentially Because it is aligned with other kind of county goals to improve housing opportunities, affordability and local priorities. So it's
18:30:43 It's not required, but we are required thinking about it in the same way as what would be required to increase middle housing in UGA.
18:30:53 And then 1337 is expanding housing options and easing barriers for AUs. So again, this is getting to like the housing opportunities in Variety.
18:31:02 And then 1181 is specific. This is the other really big one, even though it's just one, not three. It's addressing climate hazards.
18:31:11 And then that's manifesting in a new climate element that we need to.
18:31:17 Okay, so the growth targets Joel is talking about, the 900 people, additional 5,900 people by 2045.
18:31:26 That's split up. Obviously between Port Townsend, the urban areas of the unincorporated urban areas of the county and the rural areas What that means is you've got about 2,400
people you need to think about in Fort Townsend, 2,400 in
18:31:42 And about 1,200 in the rural areas. It also, we have a little bit more detailed broken out for some of the rural areas which is based on some information on the next slide but
Essentially, your kind of effective share within the urban areas of the county, including Port Townsend, is expected to increase by 2045.
18:32:05 And the effect of sharing in rural areas would be going down from 48 to 41%.
18:32:10 Obviously, again, planning purposes so TBD if that actually happens in 2025, but it's our best guess This is the housing targets piece so We received directed to use the housing
action and planning tool method c So the hacked model is something that the Department of Commerce put out for communities to use.
18:32:34 And so we use that with some, the method C essentially has some additional rural sub allocations. So if you have specific rural parts of your community that you know you'd like
to allocate some housing targets to You can do that through this methodology.
18:32:51 So what that ends up looking like is I won't go into Port Townsend's.
18:32:58 For the unincorporated portion of the county You've got a little under 2,500 total housing units with That's spread out across the income levels and you're going to see the
greatest need really at the lower income levels both in permanent supportive housing and non-permanent supportive housing and those
18:33:17 Combined around a little over a little over 900, but what that means is permanent supportive housing has kind of services that go along with it.
18:33:27 Versus non-performance housing wouldn't necessarily have those services within. And then there's also an emergency housing bed target and that is separate from this other total
housing leave. And so that's really shelters in addition to these other permanent housing needs. They have to be English. Actually, can you say that for just a second more?
18:33:50 And then I wanted to point out the specific rural areas we looked at. So we've got the unincorporated area, which has the biggest portion, we're talking about 1,600 of our over
1600 of the 2,500 units in the UGA. The rest of the 823 is of the unincorporated rural areas. And we looked at both
18:34:11 Port Ludlow and Pleasant Harbor Master Plan Resorts and then Brennan and quiline and then other rural areas kind of encompasses everything else
18:34:23 And then the last thing is you don't technically have an employment growth target, but we do want to think about what your estimated employment growth might be by 2045 so we
can incorporate that in throughout the plan.
18:34:35 We're looking at about 3,700 new jobs by 2045, which will bring you around 14,000 jobs countywide.
18:34:44 So that's looking at Fort Townsend and unincorporated urban and then also rural areas.
18:34:51 And that's based on the housing group we were looking at, existing jobs and housing ratios in those areas.
18:34:57 And kind of our estimated best guess for 2022 total. Okay, so how did we get here? What informed this public draft. So the policy changes are a piece of that. The growth projects
are a piece of it.
18:35:15 The kind of like planning policy updates that you made and the conversations with the growth management steering committee were a piece of it. We've worked with county staff
primarily in community development, but also across the different departments getting feedback from public works
18:35:30 And others just said everybody is kind of had a chance to look at things multiple times. So now we're bringing it out to the public and we've also had this other set of local
engagement, like Joel was talking about. We did incorporate input from
18:35:43 The community groups. For instance, engage Jefferson County gave us an equity analysis that we uh considered as we made the updates to goals and policies We've had some broader
engagement with the Climate Action Committee and they were heavily focused on the climate element, but also gave us some comments that
18:36:01 That were relevant to other elements of the plan. And then those, I think there were some UGA and middle housing workshops in 2024 that staff did and then the staff did the
roadshow events.
18:36:15 Okay. And then, so we're going to walk through essentially each of these elements. There's nine elements now in your plan along with the planned foundation and there's actually
also references and glossary I don't know if it's really an element, but a chapter that I don't have up here, but that is also a piece of your plan. And then we've got these six
18:36:36 Appendices to go along with it and The first two are similar to what you had in your other plans.
18:36:44 We just are working on the community engagement center still because we are obviously still in our community engagement So that's a population forecast. Appendix C include the
transportation and capital facilities plan technical documents.
18:36:55 We're updated this new round so their version of what you had prior. But Appendix E and F are very new for the county. So Appendix E digs real deep into the land capacity analysis
and all the housing kind of supportive technical work
18:37:10 That goes into the pretty extensive update to the housing element.
18:37:14 And then the climate piece also has the specific climate engagement and the vulnerability assessment that we completed earlier this year.
18:37:22 I'm going to pause there if there are any questions before we like jump into the elements and
18:37:33 Bye. All right, so we can go to Slide 111.
18:37:46 The first, so we'll go one more. So your first one, the Planned Foundation, we didn't make a bunch of extensive updates here but This really, this includes your vision statement,
defines the planning area we're talking about, purpose of why you're doing this.
18:38:02 As a brief summary of your public engagement and the process and how to use the plan We did incorporate the expansion of the Port Consum UGA and the wastewater treatment plant
into that narrative included some information on the new state requirements
18:38:17 And we made some very limited updates to the vision and framework goals they're mostly It's like instead of saying citizen, saying residents so that we're more inclusive of
the broader population The framework goal again here is kind of an equity related update to this poll
18:38:33 But just ensuring that it's an equitable public involvement process and that it's not just diverse stakeholders but We're intentionally reaching out to and including people
who are historically marginalized from the process.
18:38:48 Okay, the land use element is a weedy one. We go a very long land use element. But you also have a wide and diverse county. So this is kind of the crux of most comp plans as
it relates to all of your other elements.
18:39:04 Yours is broken up into four sections and it's got the framework section, which is the general countywide land use plan concepts, your population trends.
18:39:14 Different land use categories, both in current land use and what you're zoning and future land use categories are And then we have the rural one, which is really focused on
rural character. We do have a definition of that in, we want to be really intentional about the use of character so it's
18:39:34 Really clear what we're talking about that there, but GMA does require a definition of rural character for counties. So you have that in there.
18:39:42 And then we talk about rural residential densities and areas of limited areas of more intense rural development. Thank you. Your landlords and the master plan resorts are part
of that as well.
18:39:58 There's a little bit of discussion on the resource areas, not as much because you have an entire natural resource element.
18:40:03 And I will just note, we didn't really make any changes to the goals and policies for natural resource areas within the land use element.
18:40:11 Those are more focused on the other element. And then we have the urban section of that. And you have goals and policies within each of those four sessions. So as you're reviewing,
you just want to make sure you don't miss, you know, just go to the end and see only urban goals and policies and don't know where the rest are so
18:40:29 Yes. Let me ask for a clarification. I think I heard you say future land use capabilities. Yes. Those are essentially We're using, I think it's a one-on-one user?
18:40:45 Because we don't technically have a future land use. Our current zoning is the zoning Some jurisdictions will use a future land use map A transition.
18:41:01 Yeah, or you may have some jurisdictions that they have like more zoning categories to simplify a little bit may designate, they may have fewer future land use categories and
within that you might have like three different versions of what moderate
18:41:18 Density means for zoning. And it's One of the reasons to have something like that is it's a little easier to make a like a zoning change within as long as you're consistent
with your future land use. So if you're staying like within your future land use category that you're changing zones within there
18:41:39 That's a little easier than having to make a full amendment to the comp plan.
18:41:45 Yes, sorry. You don't. You don't. Yeah, it's kind of, yeah, it's essentially your zoning map. It is also technically in the GMA world, your future land use now.
18:41:58 So it's your building. We'll stop there. Yeah. Sorry. Actually, let's stay on that last slide. But yes, so this is your map, but we'll go back to one more So within this element,
we incorporated the new projections, we expanded the discussion of environmental justice beyond just
18:42:19 It was relatively limited to just public health and we expanded that discussion with air quality and health disparities, land use and noise the the relationship between magnesium
and heat. And it also incorporates some of the findings from the more recent community health assessment work that's been going on in the county
18:42:37 There are some very small revisions to the zoning map in the UGA, which we'll show in a few slides.
18:42:42 And then within the element, we also did update the densities in residential urban growth areas are being designations and I'll get to why, but then we went from four to six
in the urban low 248 in the moderate density residential from 7 to 12
18:43:04 And we look back to 8 to 18. So it's now above that new range from 40. And the high went from 13 to 18.
18:43:12 20 yards per acre to 18 to 24. And then you're going to see this one, this next one throughout all of the elements, but we incorporated policies related to climate and equity
throughout and then simplified and clarified policies as much as possible and then specifically within the urban section, we've kind of reorganize
18:43:33 Some of the existing policies under the goals that are there, but we've made overall limited revisions to the goals themselves.
18:43:43 Now I go to the next slide. This is your land use map. And if we go one further, the limited changes I'm talking about here You made a few suggested revisions from urban and
moderate to urban high density residential
18:43:57 In the essentially in your UGA close to your commercial core and where you have existing and planned services.
18:44:04 So we're really talking about some space that is near the on the left side of the map there near the library and the school, and I believe above it, that large parcel is in
discussion with Habitat for Humanity for development. So that's kind of already around where you've got some development there and then
18:44:24 Over on the eastern side there, it's a limited number of parcels, but that's really close to your kind of UFC commercial hub over there
18:44:36 Okay, in the framework section. Revisions were um Like I talked about before, the bulls themselves were limited number of revisions. I just wanted to call out this first land
usefully did provides the language, but not really the intent of the goal here. It's still kind of
18:45:00 It just simplified it to more explicitly state the desired end result of having a community-based comprehensive plan that's consistent with GMA and also your locally defined
kind of unplanning policies.
18:45:12 The language was just a little convoluted there. We also made updates in this section to address the new HV 1220 requirements, which are the housing across the income bands
and impacts to vulnerable communities We looked at some new policies regarding the impact of abilities to students on
18:45:36 Historically marginalized disproportionately impacted communities And then added some language to prioritize involvement of tribal governments in land use decisions early and
often.
18:45:50 There's also some new policy to kind of support active transportation, which we'll get to more in the transportation element.
18:45:57 And then updated policies around climate resiliency, removing some redundant ones that would existed or moving them to other sessions And I think that's actually it for this
slide.
18:46:14 The rural adjusted, we adjusted the language a little bit in some of the goals and policies.
18:46:19 Here to support housing variety choice and affordability, specifically thinking about your landlords that do allow residential. So that's really Brennan and Possi.
18:46:32 There's also some new policies here again around kind of uh kind of more around climate, protecting critical areas from lands for preserving your open space corridors.
18:46:47 And where we want to really, especially around vulnerable populations the urban section you added some language to be consistent with your CPPs wherever um clarifying that you
want to really First, we'll get growth in urban areas with the services already existing, then in urban areas
18:47:08 Land services and finally then remain directing the urban growth area There was a lot of information here added about the phase one sewer service area that goes with the wastewater
treatment plant.
18:47:20 And then also the information obviously to update the land capacity analysis, which is really focused on the urban growth area.
18:47:28 And that with those kind of proposed density revisions we were talking about, it would give you up to around 3,100 housing units which with some various housing sizes Depending
on, well, actually, we're just in the urban area sorry That's more of the information we need right now. But it gives to about 4,500 people. I think that's um
18:47:54 1.43 people per household uh and that's based on both your population target and your housing target as well but It's essentially above your targets there.
18:48:08 But it is specific to the specific The reason it is a little higher, you're going to have more capacity necessarily than your target is because we're really thinking about those
various bands. And so you're going to maybe create more capacity in some than others, but we're
18:48:22 Doing it specific to the Vance. Any questions on the land use element?
18:48:33 This one will be much longer, I promise. Land use and housing are the two big ones. So sorry, Anne in advance.
18:48:41 Natural resource element, this one is really focused on your forest mineral agricultural and aquaculture resources.
18:48:49 We updated the context in here, so it's a little more um current, like we did in the landing song, but we've got some additional policies around traffic coordination where travel
interests intersect with these various pieces of the county. We've got new language around climate resiliency, promoting opportunities for underserved communities
18:49:10 And then climate impacts. That relates to watertown condition, water resource quality, quantity, and also some new policies to strengthen local food systems and expand opportunities
for working with farms and milking farmers.
18:49:24 This is very valuable for us. I just don't have much more to say on this. Yeah, yeah.
18:49:35 Okay, so this one's a little heavier as well. The housing element, because it had all those new requirements, was pretty extensively updated.
18:49:46 And to address those housing targets. We updated the context and I just want to say that that land capacity and housing technical attendance has far more detail than what's
in the element. The element is really meant to be kind of high level summary of what's
18:50:00 In that appendix. Excuse me, but it updated the inventory it includes the evaluation of the land capacity to meet the targets across the income levels with the displacement
risks and anti-displacement measures, there's discussion of the racially disparate impacts to undo those.
18:50:21 Provisions of the needs for removal of identifiers.
18:50:28 And really, these two kind of key challenges that we identified in the community housing affordability and housing needs for people of different ages and abilities.
18:50:39 Talk about these in a little more detail before I go into the rules and policies.
18:50:43 I don't think this one, I don't think either of these are actually new ideas to you. They were in the previous comp plan and in other iterations but Housing affordability we've
got One in four of your households in the unincorporated part of the county are cost burdened. And so what that means is that people are paying
18:51:02 30% or more of their household income for housing costs, which includes rent or mortgage, as well as things like utilities. So it's the kind of overall housing costs. Those
affordability needs.
18:51:19 They're disproportionate across when we look at homeowners versus renters. We look at income groups.
18:51:24 And also when we look at the racial and ethnic Just a caveat that like sometimes the groups are not huge portions of the population the data is there, but there are some kind
of margins of error and things as well but
18:51:43 You are about 90%. White and 10%.
18:51:48 Bipoc or Black Indigenous people of color so heavily in White County.
18:51:55 But it is important. So we see, you can see on the chart at the right, we've got the cost burden is more prevalence within BIPOC population, not so much in the Hispanic or Latino,
which represents a relatively small portion of the county's population.
18:52:15 And that the chart there is also showing severely cost burden is the dark blue and that's people spending more than 50% of their household income and housing costs.
18:52:26 And that medium blue is 30 to 50.
18:52:34 Your existing inventory is mostly single family homes. It's about 75, 76% single family homes.
18:52:44 And the rest of that is actually mostly comprised of manufactured housing accounts for another 22% of the housing and the other kind of existing inventory, smaller units, rental
housing, middle housing are really contained to certain neighborhoods generally within DPA and represent a relatively small portion of your existing housing stock.
18:53:12 There's also kind of increasingly limited homeownership opportunities, just noting that housing values are rising faster than income so that it's harder for people to buy a
home today than it was necessarily even in 2018.
18:53:25 There's kind of a lack of supply compared to demand. That is particularly prevalent when we talk about the lowest income households, the market often does not produce affordable
housing for those groups.
18:53:37 Even if there's a diverse range of housing types being built.
18:53:42 And then special housing is kind of a piece of that as well.
18:53:46 Some of the solutions we looked at in the policies within the comp plan are really incorporating additional protections to exhibit for your existing affordable housing. So looking
at retaining the county's manufactured housing, that is typically more affordable than when we talk about single family homes.
18:54:06 And also ways to think about preserving and protecting your older housing stock Again, older homes not always the case, but sometimes more affordable than a new And also eliminate
creating additional permanently affordable housing opportunities.
18:54:22 So this really means the more housing variety and density in your land use and zoning regulations, especially in the UGA.
18:54:31 Removing barriers to producing more affordable housing types. So this is the middle housing piece and ADUs again heavily focused in the UGA.
18:54:40 And then also just kind of noting that like securing funding for the capital facilities and services to support that housing is a particularly important piece. So incorporating
some more policies around that.
18:54:51 And then the county already worked with partners that just continuing to work with partners to fill existing gaps in income restricted, subsidized emergency improvements for
the housing.
18:55:07 These housing needs of people of different ages and abilities. This is primarily focused on the fact that you are an older population in Jefferson County. You have the highest
median age of all counties in the state.
18:55:21 So meeting the housing needs of an aging population is going to become increasingly important. It already is important but the overall share of adults the share of adults age
65 or over is expected to decrease countywide, but the overall number would still be increasing. And so we're talking about another
18:55:44 2000-ish people between 2022 and 2045 then would be older adults that may have different housing needs.
18:55:52 Than others. And so we're thinking about demand for accessible and supportive housing, near services
18:56:01 If people, as they age, their abilities mentioned, their needs might change um smaller housing, smaller lots, townhomes, assisted living Those things may be more attractive
to people, whether it's for maintenance accessibility or just more affordable at that point. And then the other piece of this is also just which can go along with an older population,
not necessarily.
18:56:23 But about one in five the unincorporated county residents who live within at least one disability already.
18:56:30 So we just want to take that into account as we're thinking about a different variety of positives that are available And that is really the primary solution we're focused on
here is just increasing that housing variety and density in the UGA specifically where those services are generally focused.
18:56:48 Yes, yeah. I couldn't make it out for small print. Yes, that is very small, isn't it? I can. Yes. So⦠That graphic is the percent of population of age 65 or older by Black
group, and that's from 2022 because that's when the data was available before.
18:57:07 The darker purple and pink. Are essentially a higher share. So it's small for me even. Okay.
18:57:14 I don't have great eyes, but the darker means older people, right? More older people, yes. And where's that dark story? What would that be?
18:57:25 So if you get lighter, then you've got fewer old people, right? Yes.
18:57:35 So there's lacking coil, there's not too many and bullseye looks like there's not too many at all And it's a little misleading, obviously, because some of the block groups are
large, right? It's a large geographic area, so you still may have some concentrations within. But in general, it's kind of along the coast.
18:57:50 Court thompson also has other, it's hidden up there, but a dark concentration of Older people, yes.
18:58:01 There are some concentrated communities in Gardner area, so I didn't use the word old people because I am. If you're comfortable with it, I said, which everybody else is.
18:58:15 Yeah, so when we're thinking That's what that graphic is showing us now.
18:58:23 Okay, goal and policy updates. I won't read all of these, but there were more new policies in this section and then a lot of other ones but We definitely added policies to target
equity and aiming to minimize displacement for folks.
18:58:41 Policies to support rehabilitation and preservation of your naturally important affordable housing. So that's generally the homes as they age.
18:58:49 But policies around like weatherization and weatherization and ways to help the community keep their homes both in good condition and also available for the community.
18:59:06 We expanded your both four in this section to be more explicit about what we um who we're speaking to so we're thinking about including seniors vulnerable population, marginalized,
historically marginalized groups people with disabilities, but we also had some additional
18:59:26 Policies under here about the policies under the coordinated regional approach to homelessness in partnerships with the county has to help support the development of emergency
supportive housing.
18:59:39 And also just promoting affordable housing types for some of those groups.
18:59:45 Yes. Can you clarify what is naturally occurring affordable housing? Yeah, it's generally What it generally means is housing that becomes more affordable as it ages. So it also
it's essentially as homes age or maybe they, for other reasons they
19:00:08 The price is maybe not as high as like a equivalent amount of space in a newer home, another piece of that can be like, you know.
19:00:20 A home maybe needs some more upgrades. It may not be as expensive for somebody to buy or rent as others, but we want to make sure it's still safe and and a good space for people
to be living in.
19:00:36 It's in contrast to when i think about like service-based housing or like really intentionally um
19:00:46 Income restricted or like there's some other um piece in there that is forcing it to be affordable as I used to. Exactly. That's a great way to say thank you. Yes. Yes. Whether
it's smaller size or the age or a variety of factors there.
19:01:05 We have lots of different kinds of those yes manufactured housing is a large part of that too. It tends to be naturally more affordable because the price point is just lower.
19:01:18 Okay, any other questions on housing elements?
19:01:24 I'm going to turn it over then to Michelle. I'll stop talking to the bulk of the rest of this presentation, and we'll have our other consultants jump in as well.
19:01:33 Absolutely. Thank you so much, Jesse. So my name is Michelle Ultsworth for consulting.
19:01:39 And you can say a little break. So let's talk a little bit about element four. So that focuses on open space, arts and recreation, historical and cultural preservation.
19:01:50 And it's really focused on protecting and enhancing those plans, encouraging the preservation of specific sites for artifacts.
19:01:58 So with that update. There are some new policies that focus on incorporating climate resilience throughout those assets so that includes park development and maintenance expanding
forest canopy movement opportunities for sustainable development to reduce impact And also increase resilience.
19:02:23 In addition, there is an expansion of loan policies as it relates to accessibility and safety on trails In addition, there are seven new policies that relate to equity and inclusion
in parks and recreation, and those policies talk about recreational programming, looking at partnerships that really increase equity and inclusion.
19:02:46 And also consulting with and honoring spaces of tribal significance. If you look at some other policies and rules that are in this element, there's an expansion as relates to
cultural resources and that includes support and involvement of local tribes
19:03:04 Early on in that planning process. And also identifying opportunities for cultural expanding.
19:03:10 So definitely look at some of that language and between policies and laws.
19:03:14 All right, next up relates to the environment element, and that's really focused on conservation and protection of some of the key resources that are in Jefferson County as
it relates to the environment.
19:03:25 And so there were some updates as it relates to contacts that it was recognizing knowledge of Indigenous population. And also, again, you see that incorporation of climate impacts
and climate adaptation strategies, as well as greenhouse gas emission effects.
19:03:43 One aspect that you'll see. In this element, as well as in other elements, we do know where we may have moved some information that is in the environment element and we move
that to the climate element. And so you'll see a little icon to help guide that in where those adjustments happened.
19:04:02 We really want to make sure that we're very transparent about, you know, it's like we're not losing this language. You'll see if you can find an element.
19:04:08 So with some of the changes, there are expanded policies as it relates to water and swelling resilience.
19:04:14 Given the impacts from climate change. In addition, there are some new goals and policies that relates to critical areas. We know that that is going on as well. The updates
to critical areas. And so we wanted to make sure coordination with those updates that are happening in parallel.
19:04:32 So yeah, there's a new global policy around critical area of connection. That's one seven And those policies include seeking out opportunities for increased resources, interjurisdictional
coordination and intentional public outreach and education.
19:04:49 All right, so for transportation, I will pass this along to Paul Turman, who is with Transportation Group.
19:04:56 These are some of you worked with on these updates. The phone ladies joining via Zoom.
19:05:07 Yes.
19:05:03 Alrighty. Hello, everyone. Can everybody hear me okay? Great. Okay. Thanks for having me, everyone. Thanks for the intro. Yeah, I'm Paul Sharman. I'm a senior planner and engineer
here at Transpo Just give kind of a brief overview of the transportation element update.
19:05:19 So the update of the transportation element was driven really by two primary factors.
19:05:23 The first is really to ensure that the long range transportation forecasts are consistent with that land use element.
19:05:30 I like to remind everyone that the transportation element is meant to be and is even stated explicitly in the Growth Management Act that it's a direct implementation of the
land use element.
19:05:42 So how, when, and why people travel is a direct result of where they live, work, and play.
19:05:47 All of which is dictated by the land use element. So kind of our first order of business is ensure that our forecasts are consistent with those growth targets that Jesse showed
earlier.
19:05:58 Then the second kind of major change is driven by House Bill 1181. Again, Jesse mentioned earlier, the piece that requires the completion of the climate element.
19:06:08 That legislation also added some requirements to the transportation element. The largest of those was the requirement for multimodal level of service.
19:06:19 Traditionally, transportation system performance has been measured almost exclusively for vehicles. For example, the county's vehicle level of service standard before this was
based on how many vehicles a roadway served on an average day.
19:06:35 So the new legislation requires jurisdictions to measure transportation system performance across all the different modes.
19:06:42 So the draft 2025 transportation element now includes a measure of system performance for active modes, pedestrians and bicyclists.
19:06:50 As well as transit users. So in addition to kind of the updated forecast and the level of service standard, the rest of our work kind of focused on suggesting updates to the
county's transportation goals and policies.
19:07:04 Some of which are shown here below. I won't read through all of them.
19:07:08 But the edits were really made to kind of eliminate redundancies, improve clarity, and conform with some of those new growth management act standards.
19:07:17 Similar to the housing element, most of the detailed technical work and analysis is shown in the technical appendix.
19:07:25 But the element itself presents kind of the key takeaways as well as the goals and policies.
19:07:30 So that's all I'm going to highlight here, but I'm happy to take questions at the end of the presentation. And I think back to you, Michelle.
19:07:39 Thank you so much, Paul. Okay, so looking at the economic development element um that is focused on growth, vitality, and really making sure that the community residents have
a high quality of life as pertains to economics.
19:07:53 So with some of those updates, that focuses on ensuring that conditions and trends reflect the current condition.
19:08:00 So that includes reflecting impacts from COVID, looking at any various shifts that happened.
19:08:08 With employment. In addition, you know, including details on four sections sectors incorporated information from the latest from the 2021 Economic Existing conditions report
And in addition, we updated the employment growth estimates that Jesse provided earlier, ensure that that's reflected in the economic development.
19:08:30 All right. We also added some more discussion on the impact of infrastructure investment on economic development such as fiber optic investment that has occurred.
19:08:40 So regarding some of the new policies. Those new policies, that was based on input that we received based on the internal equity review as well as the information from Engage,
Shelveson County uh Climate Action Committee and what have you. And with these updates, that includes expansion of employers that pay lower wages
19:09:03 So there's new policy related to that. There are new policies related to support of minority-owned businesses and worker cooperatives and alternative business ownership models,
and there are some new policies related to expanding some of the county's assets as well as the local food economy
19:09:22 And assets related to recreational cultural assets. And so also to developing some innovative sustainable opportunities for economic development.
19:09:37 The Emerald Coast Opportuna? I don't know. Yeah.
19:09:43 Yeah, I didn't recognize the name and coach, but opportunity zones were set up through a federal grant program And I'm just going to give me give you the So someone else jump
in if you don't know.
19:10:05 Anyway, it sets up certain zones based on census tracts i believe that can have um Special focus for economic development.
19:10:18 And so Jefferson County started to address this around 2022 i believe we set up an opportunity zone and plan code.
19:10:32 And maybe another location, but it had to meet certain criteria I don't know of any specific activity based on it being in that opportunity zone.
19:10:44 There are other things that have happened since. Different grant programs, different economic development programs that the county has dealt with. So I'm not sure where we are
currently.
19:10:59 As a county on opportunity zones
19:11:06 That it wasn't been a few years back. Certainly look into that.
19:11:14 So we're adding info, but it's not conveyed.
19:11:23 I don't have a great answer to what I did not update this portion of the element, so I'm not as familiar with it.
19:11:32 That's not a cop-out, just that I don't have as much information What I'm reading here is it sounds like it was a collaboration between five tribulations, four cities, and then
both file and Jefferson County.
19:11:48 And two court authorities. And so they were looking at different opportunity zones. It is census tract based.
19:11:57 And I think it's essentially a cooperative look at areas where those groups would like to see more economic opportunity.
19:12:07 Kind of like industry clusters, that was a big deal 10 years ago. Yeah, I think it's a new version of that yeah
19:12:17 I don't know if this applies, but I'm Patty from EDC.
19:12:23 And we suggest that it speaks to the repeat brand. And the fact that we've done as part of that, we're right now in the final stages of hiring a workforce development expert
to focus on that aspect of it. 50% of my time as the business advisor for Jefferson County is focused on South County.
19:12:49 Generally working at being able to focus on the Glen Pole, the Port Havlo, Brennan Pulsein, and some of the areas outside of Port Townsend to focus on the economic development
in those areas. And in addition to that, we have, as part of the WeCompete grant, which is a collaboration of several counties
19:13:11 And of course, part of ABC is we have public-private partners from all of the major entities within the county. We have a five-year five business advisors that we will be training
over the next five years of 25 people that we would be training in how to help
19:13:33 Small to medium-sized businesses expand. We have more about recompete.
19:13:40 We've got some draft material to add into this element that's not compared to that.
19:13:49 Yeah, and our team is going to take a look at this aspect as well.
19:13:54 Thank you. Thank you.
19:13:58 So has anybody worked with huge, huge bread for including the the trail that goes from Discovery Bay to Forks from the bridge Yes, that's a planning grant, I understand.
19:14:19 We've been working, George in particular with mary We've met with them. They've met with our transportation advisors and advisors some of the information on our information
multinode level service analysis based on maybe some future scenarios with those trails.
19:14:39 And Paul Sharman, the brilliant transportation planner, has spoke to us, has also met with Marilyn and discussed all of that and her whole team of consultants and an enthusiastic
contributor. So absolutely, Commissioner.
19:15:01 Right. And we also have facilities and utilities element, which focuses on location capacity signing for facilities, utilities to help ensure that services infrastructure are
available So with those changes, you know, we focused on updating the inventory And the recent changes have happened since our last update, such as Jefferson Community's broadband expansion.
19:15:27 There are also some minor LOS, which stands for level of service provisions, to ensure adequate service through 2035.
19:15:36 And so just for background, so public service is focused on, it's adopting service standard that pertain to those like specific facilities for utilities and some are required
and some are optional but Essentially what it does is ensures that as we are planning for growth, we're also planning for facilities.
19:15:58 And making sure that those are adequate. A good positive quality of life in residence.
19:16:06 So with those level of service standards. Those were updated to streamline on a 20-year basis.
19:16:14 And so that we get through 2045 can you clarify what that means when you say streamline yes so previously there was an interim level of service at the six-year mark. And so
essentially we wanted to just remind you know this is the level of service for this specific
19:16:32 Over the next 20 years instead of changing you know having to change up a six-foot mark. Yeah, absolutely.
19:16:39 And so when I say minor, you know, level of service revisions, we have one example in the corner. So for example, for community centers.
19:16:47 2018 Global Service 1,005 square feet from 1,500 square feet So the postal hold standard 325 would be 975.
19:16:59 Square feet of community center space. Yeah. And when does that new number come from?
19:17:08 So what we did was we looked at where the population growth, how that would change And we looked at the amount of community center square footage And essentially, it's for balancing.
It's like, okay, good population and with the community center space you know
19:17:26 What would be the revenue standard and still provide advocacy of community center states.
19:17:33 So in general, because the shifts were pretty minor You don't want to necessarily just drop your level of service because your population is red, right? That's not the correct
answer in all cases. These are pretty minor shifts in the amount of space. There's some other ones that it's like a difference of
19:17:52 Of two square feet. It's really very minor just to show that you are you will.
19:17:59 With your planned, your existing, and if you have known planned tackle facilities that are coming in, we would incorporate that into your kind of expected to buy the amount
of space compared to the population you do with GMA has to show that you are kind of planning for that 20-year look. So that's why we go all the way out to 2045 and compare those numbers
19:18:27 We're suggesting that we essentially lower a few of the service standards in a minor way so that you're showing you have adequate facility space with your respective population.
19:18:38 It's also kind of thinking about the financial constraints that really because they're relatively minor it gives you a little bit more flex and it doesn't kind of over commit
you unnecessarily if you know you're going to have yes i just would like some clarity on the concept of level of service.
19:18:56 The way I'm seeing it there, square footage of the building I seem to be a little more specific about level of service.
19:19:02 Are you talking about funds provided by the county for a community center? So they can be quantitative or qualitative level service standards. It depends on what you're talking
about so um Like what Paul was talking about with transportation, those have some kind of
19:19:19 Even marries whether it's an urban or rural road there's also the i would say the the active transportation ones are a little bit more qualitative but still have some pieces
in there Some of them are square feet of of community center space for parks and rec for example it depends on what kind of park you're talking about. So there's multiple ones there
19:19:44 Does that sort of answer your question did i get it's mostly about the the amount of facilities and the financial pieces of like the second like we have to look at that but
first you have to say do you have enough
19:19:56 Adequate facilities to serve the growth you're anticipating. So basically, you're not anticipating a new community center. We don't get to count a hypothetical pool with amenities
and community space because we don't have a natural plan for that. It's not current in the plan so we didn't you know like
19:20:20 Instead of saying you need to add a full community center which may be not feasible or realistic financially, one of the options management is to adjust your level of service
standards.
19:20:34 To reflect that we were saying to the planning committee put the address This is the starting point. Exactly. And these are, I just want to point out in the else this is, you
know.
19:20:45 Two of them up there. It's one plus a general thing on parks and Rec. But in the element itself, under, I think it's the first capital facility goal first policy There's a few
tables in there that show this is what your 2018 adopted service standard was. This is what we're proposing it would be, or we're saying there's no change. So if you have more than
enough
19:21:07 Facility space already under your current standard. We're not saying we need to increase it or to show that you have a zero out of that 2045.
19:21:18 Yeah, and in addition, you know, when you look at some of the goals and policies and the ideas that have become capitalist studies and utilities element Again, you're seeing
expanded policies as pertains to considering the impact of vulnerable populations. That's where you're using
19:21:38 Equity updates coming in. You're seeing resiliency in design with um the investment. We don't think there's a policy for that facilities.
19:21:49 There are some new policies to help promote conservation. So whether that's on solid waste protecting, composting, ground water collection or energy conservation, you'll see
a number of policies and policies that help support that value of conservation.
19:22:04 So really the policy updates, you'll see in the settlement early to resiliency, impact on vulnerable communities, and also ensuring equitable provision of these services, especially
the historically marginalized populations. So again, that's a repeated theme throughout.
19:22:22 I'll understand the updates. And now I will pass it along to Mary Ann to discuss the newest element, the climate element.
19:22:30 Yeah, great. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm Marianne Rosantz. I'm a senior associate with Cascadia Consulting Group, and I'm delighted to introduce the new climate element
to you all this evening.
19:22:42 Which is intended to advance the county's climate resilience goals and priorities.
19:22:47 You've already, this is the last of all the elements in the comprehensive plan, and you've already heard equity and climate resilience mentioned several times.
19:22:55 And I just want to point out, and again, this has already been talked about, but it's particularly important to discuss that a lot of collective work went into developing the
climate element.
19:23:08 With a climate focused engagement effort led by Jefferson County. With Jefferson County's Climate Action Committee, engaged Jefferson and others.
19:23:19 So the climate element includes an overview of climate impacts and climate hazards.
19:23:25 Both current impacts and hazards as well as projected climate impacts. For example, sea level rise flooding heat, smoke from fires, wildfire risk.
19:23:37 And it also includes a summary of how those climate impacts will affect different sectors and communities across Jefferson County. So climate vulnerability is looked at as it
relates to public health, the economy and natural resource lands, built infrastructure, water systems, agriculture and food systems.
19:24:03 And natural environment and ecosystems. And like some of the other elements that have been mentioned, there's also a technical appendix for the climate element.
19:24:13 So the goals and policies within the climate element are organized around the sectors listed here, and that's to meet the requirements of House Bill 1181.
19:24:25 So in addition to meet the requirements of House Bill 1181, the goals and policies also integrate equity.
19:24:33 As it pertains to vulnerable populations being more impacted by climate change.
19:24:39 And if you go back one slide real quick. So just wanted to point out that in developing this whole new climate element the goals and policies address the climate hazards and
vulnerabilities while also being rooted in Jefferson County's resilience priorities. So we utilized a number of existing reports and recent plans from Jefferson County
19:25:03 To develop the draft element. So that includes the Shoreline master program, the sea level rise vulnerability assessment, the recently produced hazard mitigation plan, the community
wildfire Protection Plan.
19:25:15 And others to develop that initial draft goals and policies and also revise those to the engagement process and staff review. So if you now go to the next slide.
19:25:27 There are 19 goals. Some of those goals are revised from the previous comprehensive plan and brought into the climate element.
19:25:36 And there's a total of 79 policies across those 19 goals.
19:25:40 And some of those, again, are new policies and some are revised from the previous comprehensive plan and brought into the climate element.
19:25:48 You heard a lot about climate resilience across the other elements. So we cross-referenced policies from other elements and note those synergies across the climate element.
19:25:59 Particularly with transportation, but others as well. And I'll just walk through one example given the time, just to demonstrate how the goals align with the different sectors
and how it how it's intended to build synergy across the comprehensive plan to really advance resilience in your community.
19:26:18 So for example, the first goal here is established land use patterns to increase the resilience of the built environment, ecosystems, and natural ecosystem processes and communities
to climate change.
19:26:29 And that really aligns with land use. It includes policies around discouraging new developments in flood prone areas, both riverine and coastal flooding, and also includes policies
that have different tools that are discussed in other elements of the comprehensive plan. For example, the critical area ordinances, transfer development rights as a policy tool, and
zoning recommendations.
19:26:50 So I think we're getting close to time here and I just want to say thank you and we look forward to your review.
19:27:00 I'm going to jump back in real quick. I don't know if people do similar questions on the private.
19:27:07 We don't have to stop at 7.30. That's not the hard stop, I understand.
19:27:15 Anybody want to hear more about the time that session or should we move on? I have a climate question. I think we're okay hearing. We don't have to rush. Yeah.
19:27:25 Thanks, Absolute Chair. This is an important discussion for us. We're going to be discussing this at future meetings. This is a perfect way to start our discussion. Yeah, that's
great.
19:27:37 I have a question kind of on the other section, but it's related to climate is it my turn? Well, no, before we move on.
19:27:47 The⦠I'm thinking that discussion today to be most of these questions about their wording So we understand what's presented. We're going to have extensive discussions about
the content Yeah, and the next meeting and the meeting after that.
19:28:04 So let's hold off on the content in our for later so so matt does that answer your question maybe it's perfect go ahead a judgment call. Question. Go ahead.
19:28:17 Talks about increasing use of climate data, best available science. And I'm wondering if we should be encouraging the collections of death.
19:28:30 Just because it's difficult to depend on federal sources. In the media perhaps.
19:28:36 I don't really think we have big data. I mean, if you look at the weather report, it really varies depending on which time you want.
19:28:45 There's a lot of different weather stations. But I think that overall it's just something to hedge against in terms of being able to have good access to understanding what's
going on with our climate.
19:28:57 The second piece is i think we might want to invoke some form of ages and there are some form of participation and emergency or prevention and things like wildfires.
19:29:16 More resilience and the last piece I had was that There's one component and there's one component in TRG 9.8, encourage use of vice post attorneys reduce fossil fuels, and I
forget if you need to say the fossil fuel use
19:29:35 I'm sorry. It was electric bicycles and fossil fuels. I think we're getting off into the changing minutes to duck. Sorry, you have something.
19:29:49 I'm a farmer and I'm along on the farm today and I'm going to put livestock with you.
19:29:55 This is fascinating. I want to say.
19:30:04 Yeah, I'll Just real quick in response to you, there is a climate goal around public participation. I think it's the last one in there. So there is something there on that.
This is definitely the first touch for you guys here on the school public graph. So we just wanted to give you a lot of context, which is basically us speaking at you. But really, I
think the next two meetings are more about you seeking
19:30:26 To us or to Joel and George. I don't know that we'll be here for that one, but we want to get your comments if you have specific ones and things uh those emails that simpler
markup of we want to get those incorporated into the public hearing draft and that's
19:30:42 That's why that June July timeline for the public hearing draft is a tentative date at this point because If it needs more time.
19:30:53 Right now for review. We have that flex in the schedule to do it.
19:30:59 We don't want to rush you. My question is if there's a tremendous amount of public comment. This is the last slide. I was just coming back to this and reminding you that we're
asking for questions for comments and opening it up to questions if there are. Yes, thank you. I appreciate that.
19:31:21 Just a quick clarification. So it sounds like we got an extra six months.
19:31:26 You did. Yes. This is the end of December 2025. We don't.
19:31:32 You don't had it for six months now. Yeah, that's so technically you do not have to adopt by June now. It technically needs to be adopted by December. There is a period like
there's still the Board of County Commissioners review. There's other pieces of this that need to get Those are the considerations also if you've got a project.
19:31:54 Bleed out, it's going to be an expensive project. But there was a question about whether we had to have it done by June or whether the It has to be adopted by designer and then
from the state change. Change has always been there, but we've been trying to hold it as much as we can.
19:32:17 I guess you're good. I'll really have the input that we have our discussion meeting, but go ahead.
19:32:28 I just had one question, and I apologize that it's not a smart question, but being new to this planning process and new to this community, but out in the field.
19:32:40 One of the basis of this planning is growth and human growth and i just when the existing projects that are underway and plan the ground's already broken. It just seems to me
like, what is the basis for the growth number of population over a 20-year period of time?
19:32:58 I mean, if I look at the project that's out in Brennan and I look at the project that's at Rainier and discovery those two projects alone are going to exceed the human growth
that we have for 20 years. It doesn't take into consideration any other growth that's going to happen.
19:33:15 So I'm just trying to, I'm unclear as to the foundation of the growth number because it our growth exceeds that, then we're within this comprehensive plan for 20 years. Joel,
you want to address that?
19:33:30 Well, the growth number is from the Office of Financial Management.
19:33:33 Based on statistics and based on statistics large data sets that we don't have so we don't have we accept their number as being the closest same reality has been that i don't
understand the two projects you think they're going to bring in 5,000
19:33:50 Which is our 20-year growth And then the one that's out of discovery and um radiator
19:34:03 Okay, yeah, that's fine. No problem. Liz had her hand up. So⦠There's a wire put out, but this is a public engagement opportunity and meeting and took public comment early
in on the meeting, but there's going to be no public comment after we learn things. So I just want to
19:34:23 Make sure that I understand that what the engagement piece is here and what that will look like for the next four meetings that will put all the flyers to encourage people to
come. So is it just a listening session yet again?
19:34:38 Or will there actually Q&A with the community as the flyer kind of articulates. And I know that we are getting close to time but it seems like this is just insane process that
we continue to go and actually don't allow for community.
19:34:59 Feedback until it's much later.
19:35:07 Plan to remove that. This really format that actually usually have less in our meetings.
19:35:17 The comprehensive plan process has been quite different. We've had workshops throughout the county and at this meeting for example uh we had comments and questions from the
community during after presentations and that's unusual for us So I hope that we'll probably continue some format like that. It needs to become rather cumbersome
19:35:39 These are all workshops. We've had trouble getting work done. We have been input constantly.
19:35:47 And we pay attention. The comments that are made during all the comment period.
19:35:52 And we are paying attention So it worked pretty well, actually.
19:35:59 You're basically like an athlete and digital realms. Well, I've never indicated there were students. I want to make sure that we're clear on that. But the public comment early
on doesn't allow for engagement after we've learned something. So I think that's correct.
19:36:16 But there's a plot. I'm just⦠You set us up to expect something and then if it's not being engaged at a level that made a literal lizard says, I just want to make sure that
when we ask people to come to a meeting.
19:36:34 But they are also set up with the right expectations. I hope this sets you up to know where the documents are.
19:36:41 What we're looking for and continue to write comments So any comments?
19:36:47 A lot of work to do here. We've got a full agenda. Right.
19:36:52 So written comments is what i'm hearing is the way forward. Is it reasonable to expect a public comment period at the end of comprehensive plan discussion sessions?
19:37:06 The public comment period at the end of the session instead of the beginning.
19:37:11 And that addresses the comments here that people have a chance to hear the meeting It does not addressed, the four souls would come.
19:37:20 For the content they want to make about an earlier topic And you have to shift to the whole meeting before they can speak. So we moved public comment period from the beginning.
19:37:31 And perhaps we ought to consider moving it back to the end.
19:37:38 Let's consider that.
19:37:47 If there's no other comments. I've got one quick question, and I don't necessarily need an answer right now. Having attended all of the workshops.
19:37:54 I am curious about how the data was processed. That you collected from the community.
19:38:01 It's always wonderful to see what comes out on the other end of the iteration process.
19:38:07 Yeah, and that will be recommended in the public comments of your hand.
19:38:11 Awesome. This really shows in the rain. Other comments really showed through in the text.
19:38:21 Yes, there's a meeting earlier. Thank you.